Unidentified Chinese projects

[collins355]

Some from my files...

 

[Deino]

Some from my files...

1. early concept said to be from SAC for the XXJ
2. said to be a study for a UAV
3. FAKE !!!
4. Q-6 wind-tunnel model in its later form
5. faked / photoshopped MiG-23

 

[Deino]

....
As published in Flieger Revue in Deino's article, it will also be seen in an upcoming article in International Air Power Review.

Hopefully in issue 25 .... out soon !!

Deino

 

[Antonio]

Well done Deino!, I'm waiting anxious for Volume 25 :

 

[GTX]

Can't wait for it to arrive.

Regards,

Greg

 

[ysi_maniac]

PS: Just an idea ... the only other aircraft with a similar configuration was the Aermacchi MB-341B as posed by boxcite in the Aermacchi-tread. (maybe a connection ???? )

Deino ???

What about the Swiss Piranha fighter project ???

M.A.D

Agreed! The project in the beginnig of this thread looks copied from Piranha.
J-12 maybe?

 

[hesham]

Old Z-10;
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/china_z-10.php

 

[collins355]

Never built.

 

[Deino]

And esp. in the configuration shown a complete FAKE !

I'm not sure, but it seems they speak about the rumoured Shenyang J-10, which is often described as a "huge fighter with VG-wings, powerfull radar and a haevy missile load".

This one is nothing more than a psed F-111 with some Mirage-style elements.

Anyway ... can anyone translate the text, mabe this one includes some usefull information ??

Deino

 

[amsci99]

Nothing useful actually. This is an article from the monthly Chinese aviation periodical, 'Aviation World' and I am told that some of the articles are actually contributed by enthusiasts so the source material is questionable. This is apparently an initial design study by one 613 task group, formed by staff from the 601 Research Bureau for a proposed VG solution to counter the threat of the F-4B which was then active in SE Asia during the Vietnam conflict and the realisation of the paltry performance of the J-7 against the latter. Again conflicts with specifications and configurations (hopes of having an interceptor capable as well as strike capable package in an airframe even before the F-15/16 came to fruition) as well as the technical competency of the Chinese aviation industry at that the time plagued the project and nothing came out of it. The CG drawing is most likely a product from the active imagingation of the author. It mentions what came out of many design duties during this period from the 1968 till the late 70s, was the J-8. I remembers reading somewhere that the only documented VG project pursused actively was the Q-6.

 

[Deino]

Thanks for that !

 

[blackstar]

Was anybody using canards in the 1960s? That looks like an amateur enthusiast's idea of a cool aircraft--but not possible given the existing technology.

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

The Wright Flyer had a canard. The MiG-8 and the XP-55 Ascender also had canards, and they flew in the 1940s.

The Chinese aircraft, though, I agree, is wholly inaccurate.

 

[frank]

The very late WWII Japanese J7W Shinden had canards as well.

The Wright Flyer had a canard. The MiG-8 and the XP-55 Ascender also had canards, and they flew in the 1940s.

The Chinese aircraft, though, I agree, is wholly inaccurate.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

The CHIAC Z-10 is a project for tanden two seat attack
helicopter.

Also the CMH model.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2002/2002%20-%202505.html

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Old reports about China aircraft from 1960s and 1970s said that
the F-8 (in that time used suffix F instead of J) was single engined swept
wing fighter with air intakes beside the fuselage and with R-11 engine,
the F-9 was swing wing fighter with two R-11 engines,the F-12 was
a copy of MiG-23 swing wing fighter with little different and a variant
of F-12 with swept wing,the J-12 was showed here;

http://avia.russian.ee/air/china/namc_j-12.php

For the old China F-12 fighter which developed from MiG-23,here
it is.

 

[borovik]

...about J-10
1)One of the first draft of "8810"
2-4)Carrier-based version of the J-10 (tentative appearance)
5)Twin-engine version with a reduced radar visibility.
6-7) J-10X
Source: A. Jurgenson "Fighter J-10 - Aviakollektsiya № 10/09

 

[flateric]

note that these Yurgenson drawings are based on Chinese fanart

 

[hesham]

What was this China project ?.

 

[SOC]

Shenyang J-9 concept.

 

[hesham]

Shenyang J-9 concept.

Are you sure SOC ?.

 

[famvburg]

Looks like it to me. http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,40.msg135.html#msg135

 

[hesham]

What was this China project ?.

Here is the China's program from 1965.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


is that a real SAC J-19 project ?.


http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/09/latest-news-update-on-chinas-next.html

 

[hesham]

Hi,


I don't know if we displayed that picture before or not.

 

[Deino]

That's an old image showing an earlier configuration of the XXJ by CAC, which later evolved into the J-20 we know today.

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Deino.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a two J-8 fighter drawings,one was in 1965 and the second was in 1975,but the
1975 drawing was a smaller than J-8,I can't explain that,was there a two J-8 I ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

a speculation about Chinese J-8 Type-A with swing wing and Type-B with delta wing
configurations by AW.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19810615/31/2

 

[Deino]

Hi,

a speculation about Chinese J-8 Type-A with swing wing and Type-B with delta wing
configurations by AW.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19810615/31/2

Yes, these are the concepts, which were set in the West as placeholders for the Q-6 and J-9 programs.

 

[TsrJoe]

Chinese Aircraft Projects ...

couldn't find the thread for Chinese aircraft projects to add this link (admins please move to relevant page if its not already been noted ?)

http://homu.komica.org/17/m/index.php?res=897496

cheers, joe

 

[hesham]

Re: Chinese Aircraft Projects ...

Nice find my dear TsrJoe,

and we can merge it with this thread;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,679.0.html

(Topics merged, but the link seems not to work ....)

 

[Antonio]

The link worked a few hours ago, very nice art...but I wasn't at home. Now the link is not working. Anybody dowloaded the pics?. Could you please post it here?

Thanks in advance.

 

[fightingirish]

Deleted the m/ (for mobile?) in the URL and got this link:
http://homu.komica.org/17/index.php?res=897496
Pictures uploaded in non-chronological order.

 

[LVisingr]

Great find, thanks! Please, is someone able to give names of all these projects and studies? Thanks in advance.

 

[Antonio]

Let's try

1469320434713.jpg is XP-1 Fighter prototype
1469320496347.jpg is Z-7 heavy transpt helicopter project
1469544247298.jpg is Nanchang Q-6 attack aircraft project
1469453076334.jpg is J-9VI-2 project
1469321041089.jpg is a J-9 project variation?
1469320953388.jpg is Shenyang J-13 light fighter project
1469320780729.jpg designation is unknown to me
1469320708602.jpg is Nanchang J-6 fighter
1469320643263.jpg is J-10 heavy interceptor project
1469320575896.jpg is J-9I project

 

[flateric]

1469320780729.jpg designation is unknown to me

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14038.msg137984.html#msg137984
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_5715501_1.html

 

[Foo Fighter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-9

 

[LVisingr]

Thank you all!

 

[nuuumannn]

During a visit to China a couple of years ago there was a special exhibition at the PLA Museum in downtown Beijing, where I saw these. Not sure oif the J10 is a prototype or an accurately detailed mock-up, but the WZ10 is certainly the real thing.