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Hi! Here is an unbuilt early design of Type 054 frigate. Using 3K95 Klinok short range surface to air missile.
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Type 052A，an air defense destroyer based on Type 052 Luhu-class,using HHQ-5 medium-range SAM in 16-cells VLS.
Four PESA radars on the top of the birdge.
 

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Some translation please? Despite 1/5th of the Planet's population is Chinese most of the planet does not speak it.
 
Tzoli said:
Some translation please? Despite 1/5th of the Planet's population is Chinese most of the planet does not speak it.
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Well, I think it's very simple, the text on the picture is just the type of weapon or radar
Like the Type 76 130 mm gun, the Type 69 30 mm gun，And the Sea dart missile you can see·······
 
Tzoli said:
Some translation please? Despite 1/5th of the Planet's population is Chinese most of the planet does not speak it.
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Machine translation from the footnote:


The development of Type 051S has gone through many stages, and there are many versions of the program design, now according to the recollections of the parties involved and part of the public information, try to restore the readers of the Type 051S more perfect design program. It should be noted that Type 051S is not directly modified from the hull of Type 051, but a completely new design and construction. According to the plan, the first two Type 051S will be built in cooperation with the help of the British side, complete sets of British weapons and electronic systems, the subsequent ship will be adjusted according to the actual needs of the Chinese Navy design, such as the addition of hangars, etc., and the installation of localized weapons and equipment. Drawing/Daobao

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If people could provide translations or even a summary when posting sources with non-English text it would be very helpful to everyone, even in this age of online translation tools. Thankfully machine translation has improved a lot in recent years but I still wouldn't want to rely on it 100%.
 
Contrary to the above picture suggested, there were designs of both modifying current ones and building new ones. Due to space issue the Chinese side suggested to place the storage of Sea Dart rounds within the passageway of 051, which was strongly opposed by the Brits. Despite poor performance in the Falkland war the discussion of purchase continued, which eventually led to nowhere due to budget issue.
 
SK2 said:
Contrary to the above picture suggested, there were designs of both modifying current ones and building new ones. Due to space issue the Chinese side suggested to place the storage of Sea Dart rounds within the passageway of 051, which was strongly opposed by the Brits. Despite poor performance in the Falkland war the discussion of purchase continued, which eventually led to nowhere due to budget issue.
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Not that. In the very first stage, the Type 051S destroyers would be the newly built ones. The hull would be an enlarged Type 051 (standard displacement 4100t compared to 3400t of Type 051).

Specifications:
Displacement: 4100t (standard)
Weapons:
-Sea Dart SAM Twin Arm GMLS (ST-805 Illumination Radar, British FCS, 20 missiles storage)
-HY-1 AShM Triple Box Launcher (Type 352 FCS, 3 missiles storage)
-2xII 130mm Type 76 Main Guns (ST-802 FCS)
-4xII 30mm Type 69 CIWS
-2x Type 75 12-tube ASW Rocket Launcher
Radars: Type 515A Air Warning, AWS-5A Air Search, AWS-4BH Surface Search, Type 752 Navigation, CAAIS-150 Combat Intelligence Command System (Type 10/14 Datalink).
Propulsion: 2x Type 453 Steam Turbine (4x Type 73 Boiler), 72000shp, 32kn. (Duration 3200mi@18kn, 15 days)
 
The PLAN was very aware on their budgetary issue from day one, and they asked for conversion of 6 to 8 051 first. The British delegation was being invited to inspect the 051 (1980 I guess) and discussed about the project, which they were surprised on the extremely limited space for conversion. They were also surprised the PLAN though it would be as simple as swapping the 57mm anti-aircraft gun at B position to Sea Dart launcher, with no idea on below deck equipment. During the discussion the PLAN side suggested to place the reserve missiles at the passageway and reload the missiles by manpower, which was strongly opposed by the British side due to the slow and dangerous procedure. The discussion went on and new ideas including fitting it to an all-new vessel, as well as importing the Sea Wolf missile system also, was being raised.

The Falkland War then happened, which the PLAN though would be a good idea to bargain the introduction of Sea Dart with a warehouse sale price. The Brits were short of cash but not that desperate to sell out equipment. Eventually the discussion went to nowhere and things ended in 1983.

The design on 051 with hanger started in 1983, after the Sino-British deal fell, the Type 69 guns were never mature until late 80s, due to quality control issues during production, and the closed bridge design was not finalized until mid 80s. The above is simply fan art.
 
It was quite strange indeed, when the HQ-61 was in full scale development at the same time (1980) with twin launcher and below deck replenishment in 053K, the knowledge did not pass to the 051 team
 
SK2 said:
The PLAN was very aware on their budgetary issue from day one, and they asked for conversion of 6 to 8 051 first. The British delegation was being invited to inspect the 051 (1980 I guess) and discussed about the project, which they were surprised on the extremely limited space for conversion. They were also surprised the PLAN though it would be as simple as swapping the 57mm anti-aircraft gun at B position to Sea Dart launcher, with no idea on below deck equipment. During the discussion the PLAN side suggested to place the reserve missiles at the passageway and reload the missiles by manpower, which was strongly opposed by the British side due to the slow and dangerous procedure. The discussion went on and new ideas including fitting it to an all-new vessel, as well as importing the Sea Wolf missile system also, was being raised.

The Falkland War then happened, which the PLAN though would be a good idea to bargain the introduction of Sea Dart with a warehouse sale price. The Brits were short of cash but not that desperate to sell out equipment. Eventually the discussion went to nowhere and things ended in 1983.

The design on 051 with hanger started in 1983, after the Sino-British deal fell, the Type 69 guns were never mature until late 80s, due to quality control issues during production, and the closed bridge design was not finalized until mid 80s. The above is simply fan art.
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The communications about the ship between China and Britain began in 1979. Even if there had been an agenda for the Type 051's modification, that would be some very early discussions. The formal negotiation started in November 1981, when both sides confirmed the technical details about the first two ships.

The PLAN was still interested in Sea Dart right after the Falkland War, but in February 1983, the PLAN thought that it was possible to develop SAMs compared with Sea Dart, so they put the funds out of the Type 051S.

And PLAN's first combat warship with domestic area air defense missiles was the Type 052C (Luyang II), commissioned in 2005, 15 years later.
 
SK2 said:
The Falkland War then happened, which the PLAN though would be a good idea to bargain the introduction of Sea Dart with a warehouse sale price.
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Clearly they hadn't quite worked out the capitalism thing at that point as the UK reaction was to slap a 'Combat Proven' sticker on Sea Dart and hope everyone would buy it, not to cut the price.
 
donnyjie said:
The communications about the ship between China and Britain began in 1979. Even if there had been an agenda for the Type 051's modification, that would be some very early discussions. The formal negotiation started in November 1981, when both sides confirmed the technical details about the first two ships.

The PLAN was still interested in Sea Dart right after the Falkland War, but in February 1983, the PLAN thought that it was possible to develop SAMs compared with Sea Dart, so they put the funds out of the Type 051S.

And PLAN's first combat warship with domestic area air defense missiles was the Type 052C (Luyang II), commissioned in 2005, 15 years later.
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After the import discussion of Type 42 blow out, the negotiation of modernizing 051 started in March 1980 and a Royal Navy fleet visit, which includes HMS Coventry, was arranged in September 1980. With assist from BAe, Wuhan 701 Design house finalized the 051S (new vessel) design in June 1981.

While some in the PLAN though they may be able to develop better missile (HQ-64), the real reason behind was serious budgetary reason, with the Premier decided to develop the economy first rather than purchasing military equipment, and also political difference in Hong Kong issue, eventually pull down the Sino-British programme.
 
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Tsouk225 said:
Hope I'm not necroposting
But is that a RUR-4 Alpha on the B position? It looks like the model is of some kind of type 053 derivative. Did the PLAN intend to use to Weapon Alphas at that time period or is it just kitbashing on a random model?
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Perhaps this is just a loose model, but it appears in the memorial article of the Chinese destroyer designer
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缅怀潘镜芙院士 | 碧波逐梦行 铸剑卫海疆

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