Turkey's Naval Projects Discussion

MKE recent footage of development of 20x102mm six-barrel Gatling-type rotary cannon CIWS system, without radar and fcr. It's fair to say it's near identical to 20mm Mk-15 Phalanx.

Ground tests are expected to be completed in 2022, followed by tests and Combat Management System integration on the warship. Its maximum range will be 2km for air targets and 2.5km for surface targets. “
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Turkey's Roketsan developed domestic Naval VLS launcher with HISAR-RF (medium range) Missile being launched from it. This will be the standard VLS launcher for Turkish Navy moving forward.

• National Vertical Launcher System first fired Hisar-D RF, the naval version of Hisar-O RF
• SIPER Block-1 {long range anti-air), Atmaca {anti-ship missile) and other national missiles will also be integrated

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iHf7C6id0
 
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Turkey's U214TN being built
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Forest Green said:
www.defensenews.com

Turkey makes changes to planned TF-2000 air defense ship

Turkey’s navy has unveiled changes to its planned air defense vessel and shared details on the ship’s armaments.
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The TF-2000′s principal mission is to detect and destroy guided missiles. According to the navy, the ship will be able to detect ballistic missiles, too. It’s unclear how many vessels the service plans to buy, how much money is set aside for the program and how long construction will take.

This vessel’s latest iteration shows changes from previous ones. For example, the original displacement was 7,000 tons. And in previous versions, the calculated speed was 28-plus knots (32+ mph). The second iteration shared in 2021 had the ship at 166 meters (545 feet) long and 21.5 meters (70.5 feet) wide, with a displacement of 8,500 tons.

In the latest design, the ship is 149 meters long and 21.3 meters wide. It has a draft of 5.75 meters. The displacement is 8,300 tons.

Its main machinery is in the so-called CODOG — or combined diesel or gas —configuration, which is expected to help the vessel reach 26 knots (30 mph) or more.

The ship will feature one 127mm main gun, two 25mm remote controlled weapon station and one 35mm Gökdeniz close-in weapon system.

It’s also to receive two Midlas vertical launch systems. The first one, with 32 cells, is located between the bridge and the main gun. The other, armed with 64 missiles, is located at midships between the funnels and the main mast. The principal weapons for the VLS will be the Siper and Hisar air defense missiles. The navy had previously said the TF-2000 would be fitted with Gezgin cruise missiles launched from vertical launch systems.

The ship also features a Levent point defense missile system. The newest version of the TF-2000 comes with structural changes, too. According to the new design, Turkey has abandoned the approach for two, separate funnels; there is now one large funnel structure.

Turkey shortened the length of the ship when it eliminated the flexible mission space. This leftover area between the funnels and the hangar were supposed to be a reconfigurable space to carry up to 10 standard ISO containers at 20 feet each; or four 12-meter-long rigid inflatable boats; or various unmanned underwater and surface vessels. There was also space for 16 Atmaca anti-ship missiles, but the newest design does not show dedicated launchers onboard.

The ship is to feature 130-150 crew members, and with accommodations for 200. The vessel’s range is estimated to be 5,000 nautical miles at 18 knots. The ship is also to have a minimum 45-day operational capability without replenishments, and perform missions for 180 days without the support from its base.
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Scott Kenny said:
The size growth makes sense. I'm assuming that they're trying to leave as much SWAP and topweight available for upgrades as possible.

Do we know dimensions of the midships VLS units? 21" ish tubes like Mk41 or something bigger?
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The ship hasn't grown, btw. It has actually gotten shorter, the previous iteration was 166ish meters long with a "multi-mission space™" but they seem to have removed it along with some other features for cutting costs (but they also added 32 more VLS tubes in place of slanted Atmaca AShM). Remember, this is an 8 ship class.

Here's the old design for comparison:
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What we know about the tubes is that they're a bit larger, but then the tactical version was made to fit the space that was reserved for the undelivered Mk-41 on the I-class. So overall not that bigger, I'd say.

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The missile it's equipped with is not analogous to the ESSM. It doesn't have the same shoot-look-shoot (SLS) firing policy. The reason why the ESSM is quadpacked is because it works by lets say firing 2 missiles for each target and then confirming the kill. But this missile is more capable (thus expensive), they probably have a different conops altogether.

Physically, it is thinner but longer than ESSM, and the longer range version (120+km) of it uses the same large booster as the Atmaca AShM. This means that, according to many, it is probably possible to dual pack the longer range missile in in the stirke length at least in the future.
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snne said:
The ship hasn't grown, btw. It has actually gotten shorter, the previous iteration was 166ish meters long with a "multi-mission space™" but they seem to have removed it along with some other features for cutting costs (but they also added 32 more VLS tubes in place of slanted Atmaca AShM). Remember, this is an 8 ship class.

Here's the old design for comparison:
cr43c2gbrpc81.jpg


What we know about the tubes is that they're a bit larger, but then the tactical version was made to fit the space that was reserved for the undelivered Mk-41 on the I-class. So overall not that bigger, I'd say.

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The missile it's equipped with is not analogous to the ESSM. It doesn't have the same shoot-look-shoot (SLS) firing policy. The reason why the ESSM is quadpacked is because it works by lets say firing 2 missiles for each target and then confirming the kill. But this missile is more capable (thus expensive), they probably have a different conops altogether.

Physically, it is thinner but longer than ESSM, and the longer range version (120+km) of it uses the same large booster as the Atmaca AShM. This means that, according to many, it is probably possible to dual pack the longer range missile in in the stirke length at least in the future.
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A nice update/summary on what's going on with the TF2000 destroyer program

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snne said:
The ship hasn't grown, btw. It has actually gotten shorter, the previous iteration was 166ish meters long with a "multi-mission space™" but they seem to have removed it along with some other features for cutting costs (but they also added 32 more VLS tubes in place of slanted Atmaca AShM). Remember, this is an 8 ship class.

Here's the old design for comparison:
cr43c2gbrpc81.jpg


What we know about the tubes is that they're a bit larger, but then the tactical version was made to fit the space that was reserved for the undelivered Mk-41 on the I-class. So overall not that bigger, I'd say.

FzFG0FpWwAAv-Us.jpg:large

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The missile it's equipped with is not analogous to the ESSM. It doesn't have the same shoot-look-shoot (SLS) firing policy. The reason why the ESSM is quadpacked is because it works by lets say firing 2 missiles for each target and then confirming the kill. But this missile is more capable (thus expensive), they probably have a different conops altogether.

Physically, it is thinner but longer than ESSM, and the longer range version (120+km) of it uses the same large booster as the Atmaca AShM. This means that, according to many, it is probably possible to dual pack the longer range missile in in the stirke length at least in the future.
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Very important news.

"The Strike version of MİDLAS (for SİPER, ATMACA and GEZGİN G/Ms) will be included in the sister ships of TCG Istanbul, which are under construction."
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Source: https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/ic...tanbul-firkateyni-kapilarini-basina-acti-5958

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Combat-Master said:
Ministry of National Defense: "In line with the needs of the Naval Forces Command, mass production of the AKYA Heavy Class Warfare Torpedo, developed by ROKETSAN with domestic and national resources, has started and its delivery to our submarines has begun."
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Hrm. Subs only.

I really think we're at the point where you need heavyweight speed and range for airdropped and surface launched ASW torpedoes. Modern nuclear and lithium battery subs can have enough acceleration to outrun/exhaust even a Mk48 if you're not close enough at launch.

So, I'm thinking a ~1500lb ASW torpedo with reduced warhead and Mk48/Spearfish engine and fuel tank.
 

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