Turkey's Naval Projects Discussion

Scott Kenny said:
Hrm. Subs only.

I really think we're at the point where you need heavyweight speed and range for airdropped and surface launched ASW torpedoes. Modern nuclear and lithium battery subs can have enough acceleration to outrun/exhaust even a Mk48 if you're not close enough at launch.

So, I'm thinking a ~1500lb ASW torpedo with reduced warhead and Mk48/Spearfish engine and fuel tank.
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Might as well bring back the Mk37.
 
gral_rj said:
Might as well bring back the Mk37.
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Or consider the Swedish 400mm ASW torpedo diameter. With the possible advent of smaller anti-torpedo torpedos for the low end, I could see the development of larger lightweight torpedos or shortened heavyweight torpedos suitable for underwater, surface or air launch.
 
Istif class grows to 12 ships...

I thought this amendment was for the weapon and sensor systems of ships 4-8, but instead it seems to be for an additional order of +4 I-class ships.

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MİLGEM contract worth 421.5 million euros from ASELSAN! In the MİLGEM Combat Systems Contract, a contract amendment was signed with TAIS Joint Venture and STM Business Partnership, and MİLGEM 9-12 ships' combat systems and payloads were included in the contract.
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https://x.com/pagrup/status/1795722929260650989
 
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Combat-Master said:
You sure about that ?
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Yeah tought maybe i we have a misunderstanding because of me.
Its width is 3 m where the MK.41 has 3,43 m.
Its height or what i would have called length is 2 m with Midas and 2,62 m for the MK 41.
It length (what i called height) surpasses even the MK.57 with 0,1 m so 8 m for Midas and 7,9 m for the MK.57.
 
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Can it also take ESSM? Because if it can then each cell should be the same diameter as in the MK.41 which makes this VLS quite good.
 
ATMACA Anti Ship Missiles sub launched capsule system was shown to the public Today during inauguration of Reis Class Type-214TN submarine into service | Capsule launch system is likely to be used for Gezgin land attack missile (Turkish version of the Tomahawk or MdCN – NCM)
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NEW GENERATION G/M CAPSULE

Future Concept: Long-Range Capsule

Control propulsion system, battery, mission computer, inertial measurement unit, and propulsion system added to increase range:
  • Protection of submarine's stealth
  • Optimal use of the operational area
  • Capability of sudden attack, limited reaction time
  • Underwater/surface trajectory/concept optimization
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MUGEM aircraft carrier
https://twitter.com/x/status/1827690726358127069
View: https://x.com/T_Nblty/status/1827690726358127069

Source - https://www.trthaber.com/haber/bilim-teknoloji/mavi-vatana-milli-ucak-gemisi-geliyor-874479.html

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MUGEM (National Aircraft Carrier)

Aircraft​

Minimum 50 manned and unmanned aircraft
  • Baykar, TB-3
  • TUSAŞ, ANKA-3
  • TUSAŞ, HÜRJET
  • Baykar, KIZILELMA

Personnel​

  • 400-500 personnel
  • Role-2 Level Medical Facilities

Other Capabilities​

  • 10,000 nautical miles range at 14 knots (6104 km)
  • Maneuvering ability in sea state 6 and higher
  • Logistic support capability with two helicopters

Main Propulsion System (ATS)​

The main propulsion system has high reliability, performance enhancement, and cost-effective COGAG configuration.
  • COGAG Configuration
  • Bow Thruster: Easier docking
  • 4 Gas Turbines: High maneuverability
  • 2 Variable Pitch Propellers (CPP): Efficient maneuverability
General Specs
  • Full length: 285 meters
  • Maximum width: 72 meters
  • Draft: 10.1 meters
  • Displacement: 60,000 tons
  • Maximum speed: 25 knots
  • Aircraft Landing/Take-off System: STOBAR
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Looks like it will have 4x MIDLAS VLS total 32x cells and 4x GOKDENIZ CIWS for self defence
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Combat-Master said:
MUGEM aircraft carrier
https://twitter.com/x/status/1827690726358127069
View: https://x.com/T_Nblty/status/1827690726358127069

Source - https://www.trthaber.com/haber/bilim-teknoloji/mavi-vatana-milli-ucak-gemisi-geliyor-874479.html

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MUGEM (National Aircraft Carrier)

Aircraft​

Minimum 50 manned and unmanned aircraft
  • Baykar, TB-3
  • TUSAŞ, ANKA-3
  • TUSAŞ, HÜRJET
  • Baykar, KIZILELMA

Personnel​

  • 400-500 personnel
  • Role-2 Level Medical Facilities

Other Capabilities​

  • 10,000 nautical miles range at 14 knots (6104 km)
  • Maneuvering ability in sea state 6 and higher
  • Logistic support capability with two helicopters

Main Propulsion System (ATS)​

The main propulsion system has high reliability, performance enhancement, and cost-effective COGAG configuration.
  • COGAG Configuration
  • Bow Thruster: Easier docking
  • 4 Gas Turbines: High maneuverability
  • 2 Variable Pitch Propellers (CPP): Efficient maneuverability
General Specs
  • Full length: 285 meters
  • Maximum width: 72 meters
  • Draft: 10.1 meters
  • Displacement: 60,000 tons
  • Maximum speed: 25 knots
  • Aircraft Landing/Take-off System: STOBAR
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Looks like it will have 4x MIDLAS VLS total 32x cells and 4x GOKDENIZ CIWS for self defence
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There's a thread for this project: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/turkish-aircraft-carrier-concept.43031/page-2
 
SUB launched Anti air missile in development -
turdef.com

A Review of Turkiye’s Future Submarine-Based Missiles | TURDEF

Following the AKYA heavyweight torpedo, Turkiye has embarked on developing various submarine-launched missiles for different tasks.
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The infographic states that air defence missiles can be launched from the capsule in addition to anti-ship missiles. The self-defence of submarines against ASW helicopters has been brought up in the past two decades with developments like the fibre-optic/IIR-guided IDAS missile.

The idea is to have a missile that can be controlled through a fibre-optic cable from the launch capsule communicating with the submarine to acquire low-flying aircraft.

The submarine can guide the missile with its periscope or send commands to the missile when it detects sonar emissions from a helicopter. In addition to IDAS being the only missile to be developed for submarine-based air defence, the IDAS programme being run under a consortium that includes ROKETSAN might give some hints on the characteristics of the Hisar Derin missile.

To obtain these capabilities, “a lot of” underwater launch tests will be necessary, especially when this is a new field for Turkiye. To ease up this process, TÜBİTAK SAGE has developed the underwater launch testbed DATA which can be used in different depths.

While it will be a challenge for the industry to develop submarine-based missiles, payoff in the form of stand-off attack capability against enemy ships and land targets will be a strategic advantage that only a few countries possess.
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TUBITAK SAGE DATA
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj7B1U8B0DE
 
Scott Kenny said:
For certain environments, where the sub cannot easily go deep to break contact, it makes sense. Baltic Sea, Black Sea, Med.
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I suppose it could be used for such purpose, however this is a launch mechanism for development purposes of sub launched munitions

Interestingly, they test launch an inert UGM-84 capsule
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And also has a shot of Turkey's ATMACA capsule
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I guess the construction could begin any day now
Countdown Has Started!
Turkey's first domestic and national Air Defense Warfare Destroyer TF-2000, which was designed by the Naval Forces Command Design Project Office, whose construction decision was taken at the Defense Industry Executive Committee (SSİK) Meeting, and will be built at the Istanbul Shipyard Command under the Main Contractorship of ASFAT

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1837104260804124905
View: https://x.com/MSB_ASFAT/status/1837104260804124905
 
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snne said:
I guess the construction could begin any day now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837104260804124905
View: https://x.com/MSB_ASFAT/status/1837104260804124905
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Details of TF-2000 Anti-Air Warfare Destroyer:
  • 96 VLS vertical launch systems
  • 64 VLS for Sapan missiles (Hisar-D and Siper Block-1D)
  • 16 of the 32 VLS are Atmaca and Gezgin missiles, 16 are Quad Pack Hisar-D RF Block-II (16x4=64 missiles)
  • ÇAFRAD AESA radar standard detection range 450 km+, full power target detection range 750 km
  • 1 Ares Shipyard-Meteksan Defense production ULAQ KAMA kamikaze unmanned marine vehicle
  • 4 Sapan mobile drone launchers with a capacity of 30-40 rotary wing UAVs to form a shield to protect the ship from anti-ship missiles.

The first TF-2000 HSH Destroyer is aimed to be built at the Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command with a 85% domestic and national production ratio.

Source: Defence Turkey | İbrahim Sünnetçi
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1837870777942561043
View: https://x.com/mavivatannet/status/1837870777942561043

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Test footage of MALAMAN naval mine
https://twitter.com/x/status/1846129219299889392
View: https://x.com/avionot/status/1846129219299889392

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"The Malaman is over 1.8 metres long, has a diameter of 533 mm, compatible with heavy torpedo launching tubes, weighs 600 kg and can operate at temperatures between –2.5°C and +36°C, and at depths over 100 metres. It contains an undisclosed amount of in sensitive plastic-bound explosive. The mine is fitted with acoustic, magnetic and pressure sensors which data, combined together, allow precise identification of naval vessels. The identification friend or foe algorithm avoids the mine to be set off when friendly assets navigate in the area. No details were provided on the level of intelligence contained in the detection system, but it is quite probable that a database allows to precisely identifying the traffic, eventually activating the Malaman on pre-selected targets."

www.edrmagazine.eu

IDEF 2023 - Malaman and Uça; the sea bottom Turkish challenge to enemy naval platforms - EDR Magazine

At IDEF 2023 visitors could see for the first time the Malaman deep bottom mine as well as the Uça.
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Combat-Master said:
"The Malaman is over 1.8 metres long, has a diameter of 533 mm, compatible with heavy torpedo launching tubes, weighs 600 kg and can operate at temperatures between –2.5°C and +36°C, and at depths over 100 metres. It contains an undisclosed amount of in sensitive plastic-bound explosive. The mine is fitted with acoustic, magnetic and pressure sensors which data, combined together, allow precise identification of naval vessels. The identification friend or foe algorithm avoids the mine to be set off when friendly assets navigate in the area. No details were provided on the level of intelligence contained in the detection system, but it is quite probable that a database allows to precisely identifying the traffic, eventually activating the Malaman on pre-selected targets."
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If that's not the case, it's behind what US mines could do in the 1970s.
 

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