Transport gliders

[robunos]

Well, there was one that 'almost' made it. Baynes proposed transporting tanks by fitting them with wings, as in this patent. He got as far as flying a 1/3 scale model, the Baynes Bat

Interesting, I was under the impression that the full-size Baynes Carrier Wing was intended to carry the Valentine tank, however the Patent Drawing shows a Tetrarch . . .

cheers,
Robin.

 

[BB1984]

One such lesser-known project is the LG 105 cargo glider, which we tell the story of here:
The Air Force's transport capacity for personnel and equipment for its own maintenance was for a long time extremely limited. This posed a problem as the air forces regrouped between different emergency fields around the country during the years of unrest. The maintenance units had to follow, and a transport by land was many times cumbersome and took a long time. This was the background to an idea to deal with the transport problem long before the time of the helicopters and the major transport plans. The idea was to provide the Swedish Air Force with cargo gliders that were towed according to existing "tugs" and which could be included in the regroupings of the air forces. The idea is probably inspired by the Allies' aviation activities, where cargo gliders were in frequent use.

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Depending on timing and information flow, it might also have been inspired by the Luftwaffe's use of gliders on the Eastern front. At some point three gliders—carrying technical supplies, maintenance personnel and/or ammunition—were assigned to each Stuka-Geschwader. The gliders were towed with the wing on each change of base.

There were also a limited number of Go 242’s were fitted out as maintenance and repair shops. Thus equipped, they were towed to the front where and when needed.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

I found these two images.


The first image shows a three-view drawing of the unbuilt Frankfort XCG-1 8-seat transport glider from Bill Norton's book American Military Gliders of World War II



This side view drawing from the website of the late Jos Heyman is of the larger 15-seat Frankfort XCG-2, which like the XCG-1 was not built or flown.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

I found this side view drawing of the St. Louis XCG-6 15-seat transport glider from the website of the late Jos Heyman.

 

[Schneiderman]

Well, there was one that 'almost' made it. Baynes proposed transporting tanks by fitting them with wings, as in this patent. He got as far as flying a 1/3 scale model, the Baynes Bat

Interesting, I was under the impression that the full-size Baynes Carrier Wing was intended to carry the Valentine tank, however the Patent Drawing shows a Tetrarch . . .

cheers,
Robin.

I know doodly about tanks but the patent (application Nov 1941) says the proposal was to transport a light tank of about 7 tons. Wiki says the Tetrach was about that weight while the Valentine was more than double. Perhaps the whole concept was to be scaled up.

 

[robunos]

Well, there was one that 'almost' made it. Baynes proposed transporting tanks by fitting them with wings, as in this patent. He got as far as flying a 1/3 scale model, the Baynes Bat

Interesting, I was under the impression that the full-size Baynes Carrier Wing was intended to carry the Valentine tank, however the Patent Drawing shows a Tetrarch . . .

cheers,
Robin.

I know doodly about tanks but the patent (application Nov 1941) says the proposal was to transport a light tank of about 7 tons. Wiki says the Tetrach was about that weight while the Valentine was more than double. Perhaps the whole concept was to be scaled up.

Thanks for that. The requirement for the Baynes Wing to carry a Tetrarch would seem to me to be in competition to the General Aircraft Hamilcar glider, which could also carry the Tetrarch. However it was my understanding that the Baynes Carrier Wing was originally to compete with the Hafner Rotatank tank carrying autogyro, which was designed to carry the Valentine.
See HERE and HERE.
It seems that further research is needed.


cheers,
Robin.

 

[Schneiderman]

Thanks for that. The requirement for the Baynes Wing to carry a Tetrarch would seem to me to be in competition to the General Aircraft Hamilcar glider, which could also carry the Tetrarch. However it was my understanding that the Baynes Carrier Wing was originally to compete with the Hafner Rotatank tank carrying autogyro, which was designed to carry the Valentine.
See HERE and HERE.
It seems that further research is needed.


cheers,
Robin.

Philip Jarret wrote a (very) short article about the Bat in Aeroplane May 1990 but makes no mention of any rival designs. Hafner's Rota** family precede Baynes by a little and his proposal for a Rotaplane to carry a Valentine tank was submitted to the MAP in December 1942 https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/hafner-rotabuggy-flying-jeep.22464/,
so it does appear that there is a link between the two, even if it was unofficial.

 

[riggerrob]

Well, there was one that 'almost' made it. Baynes proposed transporting tanks by fitting them with wings, as in this patent. He got as far as flying a 1/3 scale model, the Baynes Bat

Interesting, I was under the impression that the full-size Baynes Carrier Wing was intended to carry the Valentine tank, however the Patent Drawing shows a Tetrarch . . .

cheers,
Robin.

I know doodly about tanks but the patent (application Nov 1941) says the proposal was to transport a light tank of about 7 tons. Wiki says the Tetrach was about that weight while the Valentine was more than double. Perhaps the whole concept was to be scaled up.

Light Tank Mark VII Tetrach weighed 17,000 pounds and could only be carried by the huge Hamilcar glider. With only thin armor and a 2-pounder gun, Tetrach was deemed too light for regular ground combat, Tetrachs were given to airborne forces and delivered by gliders. Tetrachs were only used in two battles: invasion of Madgascar in June 1942 and the Normandy landings in June 1944.

Valentine Light tank weighed 32,000 pounds and was armed with variously 2-pounder, 6-pounder and 75 mm QF guns. The 75 mm gun severly cramped the turret, so was rarely used.

 

[igor-mich]

I. Glider KAI-5 "Falcon" designer G. N. Vorobyov. 1 - pilot and 4 - paratroopers. The first flight May 1941. 1 - glider was built.

 

[igor-mich]

II. Glider "Eagle" designers I. I. Afanasyev, B. V. Kucherenko and L. M. Rodnyansky. 1- pilot and 10-11 - paratroopers. 1 glider was built.

 

[igor-mich]

III. Glider BDP-1 designer N. N. Polikarpov. The first flight was in September 1941. 1 - pilot and 16 - paratroopers. 2 gliders were built.

 

[igor-mich]

IV. Glider K-G designer L. P. Kurbala. 2 - pilots of 20-25 paratroopers or one 76 mm cannon . The first flight in January 1942. 2 gliders were built.

 

[igor-mich]

V. Glider SAM-23 designer A. S. Moskalev. 1 - pilot and 20 - paratroopers or a car "Willis" The first flight of the beginning of 1945. 1 glider was built.

 

[igor-mich]

VI. Glider KTs-20 designers P. V. Tsybin and D. N. Kolesnikov. The first flight in October 1941. 2 - pilots and 18 - paratroopers. 68 gliders were built (according to other data, 50).

 

[igor-mich]

VII. Glider Ts-25 designers P. V. Tsybin. The first flight at the end of 1944. 1 - pilot and 25 - paratroopers or 1 - Willis car with a cannon or 3 motorcycles. Serial production since 1947

 

[Maveric]

Is there a drawing or a three-sided crack of the LK.12, the motorized version of the XCG.10A?

 

[Maveric]

Is there a drawing or a three-view drawing of the motorized version of the Waco CG.13A?

 

[VictorXL188]

Is there a drawing or a three-sided crack of the LK.12, the motorized version of the XCG.10A?

Not my greatest piece of artwork but here's a crack at the LK-12.

 

[VictorXL188]

And here's the motorized variant of the CG-13. I gave this R-1830 engines, as also fitted to the Laister-Kaufman LK-12.

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane 1944.

 

[Richard N]

I assume a non-pilot came up with this dramatic method of spot landing a Go-345.

 

[VictorXL188]

Also we should mention the Rubik R-21 which is covered https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/rubik-project-search.4337/
and https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/ernő-rubik-hungarian-aircraft-designer.10541/

 

[PMN1]

I assume a non-pilot came up with this dramatic method of spot landing a Go-345.

Well thats precison landing or you.

 

[Richard N]

To the joker who did the numerical manipulations for the splat landing: You first!!

I believe a cook should be willing to taste his own cooking before expecting anyone else to eat it : )

 

[hesham]

From Kryl'ya Rodine 2023-5/6.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Could the 'flying piano' help transform air cargo?

A Texas start-up is developing cargo gliders that would be towed behind a jet.

www.bbc.com

 

[Grey Havoc]

On a side note regarding the Airspeed Horsa:

Airspeed Horsa: Swords into houses.

A pair of surplus Horsa fuselages converted into a house. Not the only case. Using those assault gliders were among the many clever, innovative (desperate?) approaches to combat housing shortages i…

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[Arjen]

Overloon Oorlogsmuseum has a replica Airspeed Horsa.

 

[Arjen]

Assault Glider Trust

In the summer of 2000, veterans of the Midland Branch of the Glider Pilot Regimental Association decided that an appropriate memorial to airborne forces would be a complete Airspeed Horsa assault glider. This site follows the construction of this unique piece of aviation history.

www.assaultglidertrust.co.uk

Replica built by volunteers:

The full-size replica Horsa assault glider, built by enthusiast volunteers at RAF Shawbury between 2001 and 2014, made its way by sea across the English Channel in June 2019 and was displayed in Holland in September 2019 as part of a major event marking the 75th Anniversary of Operation Market Garden.

My wife's cousin is an administrator in the Overloon museum, I visited the place two years ago. I had a good long chat with the museum's boss, but I forgot to take notes. Happily, the Assault Glider Trust did.

 

[Gerard31956]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_XCG-17

 

[hesham]

From Western Aviation 1944,

here is an advertise for Laister-Kauffman

 

[Mark Nankivil]

From Western Aviation 1944,

here is an advertise for Laister-Kauffman

Thanks Hesham, had not seen that advert before. Where did you find it?

I met Howard Blossom about 25 years ago when a monument with a polished bronze casting of the L-K CG-10 was unveiled at Lambert IAP. I later acquired some L-K material from him. When he passed away, he willed the grass airstrip to the St. Louis Soaring Association where they are located/fly from.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[hesham]

Thanks Hesham, had not seen that advert before. Where did you find it?

I met Howard Blossom about 25 years ago when a monument with a polished bronze casting of the L-K CG-10 was unveiled at Lambert IAP. I later acquired some L-K material from him. When he passed away, he willed the grass airstrip to the St. Louis Soaring Association where they are located/fly from.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

My dear Mark,

I sent the source, Western Aviation 1944.

 

[Apophenia]

... I sent the source, Western Aviation 1944.

As mentioned before, Western Aviation [Missile and Space] did not exist until 1961.

If your clipping is from 1944, the publication was called Western Flying. But Western Flying was a monthly. So which issue did you take it from?

 

[hesham]

As mentioned before, Western Aviation [Missile and Space] did not exist until 1961.

If your clipping is from 1944, the publication was called Western Flying. But Western Flying was a monthly. So which issue did you take it from?

All I know,in Google's book section,there is two parts about 1944 ,it's the last one,from July to the end of the year.

 

[Apophenia]

All I know,in Google's book section,there is two parts about 1944 ,it's the last one,from July to the end of the year.

Yeah ... but a quick scan reveals that your clipping first appears on page 123 of Western Flying, Vol. XXIV, No. 8, August 1944. Note that Western Flying did not paginate full-ad pages but the page numbers are listed in the Advertising Index near the end of each publication.

For the record, what Google Books lists as:

Western Aviation, Missiles, and Space [sic]
Volume 24
ISBN: —
Publisher: Western Aviation Magazine.
Format: —
Published: Jul 1944

... is a library bound volume consisting of the following magazine editions:

Western Flying Vol. XXIV, No. 7, July 1944
Western Flying Vol. XXIV, No. 8, August 1944
Western Flying Vol. XXIV, No. 9, September 1944
Western Flying Vol. XXIV, No. 10, October 1944
Western Flying Vol. XXIV, No. 11, November 1944
Western Flying Vol. XXIV, No. 12, December 1944

Note that, for Western Flying, each year of publication was a Volume - in this case Vol. XXIV (or 24). Each issue was given a No. - corresponding to that month's position in the calendar. Unlike some other magazines of the day, Western Flying pagination began again at Page 1 for each month's issue.

 

[Stargazer]

V. Glider SAM-23 designer A. S. Moskalev. 1 - pilot and 20 - paratroopers or a car "Willis" The first flight of the beginning of 1945. 1 glider was built.

More SAM-23. It should be noted here that this was a reuse of the SAM-23 designation, which had previously been given to the LT, a very different twin-boom design.