Thousands of unedited government JFK assassination files released

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If they release what happened, I want President Trump to take the necessary steps to rein in yet another government agency.
 
I sincerely doubt we will ever see any files with real revelations, since they are likely "securely" stashed in boxes next to Trump's toilet in Mar-a-Lago, and we all know Trump uses toilet bowls like other people use paper shredders.
 
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Well, maybe the new secret-revealing trend might end up opening the doors of Area 51 to UFO believers. In my opinion, a conspiracy theorist or a mad scientist are just guys who haven't been right yet.
 
Of course, it turns out that things didn't go the way Oli Stone wanted us to believe in his movie.
 
So, more items found behind the copier. What actually happened has been known since the 1960s. Once President Trump announced his intention to release the remaining documents, a person who claimed to have worked for the FBI and CIA appeared on TV. She told viewers that anyone who remained alive and who were connected to this event will have their identity protected under the word "sources." The average person is unaware that the Freedom of Information Act has exceptions that fall under "national security."
 
Archibald said:
Yeeeeah... as if Oliver Stoned (the aptly named) knew better in fiction and 30 years after the facts, than the Warren Commission itself...

Why on earth is it so hard to admit that Oswald was a loner and a loony yet a loony that had USMC training and thus knew how to use a sniper riffle ?
That JFK security at Dealey Plaza that day was a sick joke ?
That over the next twenty years half a dozen high profile murders (or atempts) happened, same loony loners profiles, and yet no such conspiracy B.S ? RFK, MLK, Wallace, Jerry Ford twice in two weeks, and Reagan ? and all the Sirhan, Earl Rey, Bremer, Fromme, Hinckley were all similar to Oswald - lost souls, loony loners ?
Disgruntled men and women with almost free access to lethal weaponry - that was not going to end well...
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Respectfully, the data forthcoming from the FBI for the Butler PA attempt is zero to nil regarding Crooks social media, bank accounts, affiliations, gun range companions, phone GPS tracking, etc. - as well as prior surveillance, active FBI involvement in security planning for the Trump rally. Much less the second attempt.

The FBI, if not infested with agents who would rather see Trump dead, have done a great disservice stonewalling Congress.

There is Zero excuse to not disclose everything to select few on Oversight Committee in a SCIF.
 
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The average person is unaware that the Freedom of Information Act has exceptions that fall under "national security."
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Oh really? Which ones other than exemption 1, which deals solely with currently and properly classified material?
 
The National Archives said on Tuesday that “all records previously withheld for classification” had been released and were available to access either online or in person.

The archives uploaded about 63,000 pages of documents on its website in two initial tranches, with more files to be posted online as they are digitised.
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www.aljazeera.com

Trump administration releases thousands of files on JFK assassination

Scholars and historians are likely to spend months sifting through records for answers about US president’s killing.
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"The first JFK files release of 2025 is an encouraging start," Jefferson Morley of the Mary Ferrell Foundation, a nonprofit that operates a database of government records on the Kennedy assassination, said on X. "We now have complete versions of approximately a third of the redacted JFK documents held by the National Archives (1,124 of approximately 3,500 documents ). Rampant overclassification of trivial information has been eliminated and there appear to be no redactions, though we have not viewed every document."
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Government releases thousands of declassified pages related to JFK assassination

The National Archives has released thousands of pages of declassified records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963.
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For the French reader:
The previously-classified portion of the memo cites the specific number of CIA personnel that had been stationed at the U.S. embassy in Paris, where "CIA has even sought to monopolize contact with certain French political personalities, among them the President of the National Assembly," the memo said.
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With a suggestion?

And some flabbergasting non-redacted bits:
The newly-disclosed portions detail CIA surveillance of Soviet embassies in Mexico City and efforts to recruit double agents from Soviet agency personnel -- and reveal the names and positions of those who were recruited.
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Cheap...
 
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The newly-disclosed portions detail CIA surveillance of Soviet embassies in Mexico City and efforts to recruit double agents from Soviet agency personnel -- and reveal the names and positions of those who were recruited. The CIA officials writing these memos tout the efficacy of their efforts, with one trumpeting, "I cannot help but feel that we are buying a great deal for our money in this project."
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One day, a long time from now, when we sift through the ashes of the Trump administration, we’ll find out that Trump destroyed decades of intelligence work by giving the Russians all of America’s secrets.

Not only that, it will turn out that the Russians have, once they were done with the material, sold everything to the Chinese. Of course.

If only there was some way we could have known…
 
The moment the President announced the upcoming release of these documents, a person claiming to have worked for the FBI and CIA appeared on TV. She stated that the CIA would black out the names of all persons who may still be alive who were involved in the events of that day. Last night, a number of people appeared on TV. It did not matter that the public did not yet have access to these documents, they stated they contained nothing of consequence. Unfortunately for them, members of the public saw what actually happened that day. Doctors at Parkland Memorial Hospital saw the President's wounds at close range.
 
Nothing significant found by historians in the documents so far, but there is a heck of a lot of them.

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What we know about newly released JFK assassination files

Around 2,200 files consisting of more than 63,000 pages about John F Kennedy's assassination were made available to the public. Here is everything we know so far about what was in them.
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And some flabbergasting non-redacted bits:
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Spying on other embassies--double agents...par for the course. It would surprise me more if they didn't do that kind of statecraft. The way you spot a KGB man in that era is that he NEVER drinks when dining with an asset--for example.

Even if the CIA was behind JFK's assassination--that would likely never have been documented--or those papers burned. (I'd like to think the CIA would have done a neater job).

My guess as to what was behind the delay would be that the CIA had lots of (Batista type) Whitey Bulgers of their own--same as FBI. Neither young spooks nor white-bread kids from Quantico knew jack about what goes on in the streets.

Only organized crime (and later, Contras) have that level of granularity in terms of local goings-on.

So, no--I don't believe the CIA had anything to do with JFK--I could have made that shot.

What I do think *was* done by Kissinger's made guys?

I think the CIA sanctioned priests:

"When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why they were poor, they called me a communist."

Not that FARQ and other outfits had clean hands either. Everything is still a mess.
 
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publiusr said:
Spying on other embassies--double agents...par for the course. It would surprise me more if they didn't do that kind of statecraft. The way you spot a KGB man in that era is that he NEVER drinks when dining with an asset--for example.
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Of course, recruiting agents and spycraft is something that’s been going on since biblical times.

But identities of assets? Until two weeks ago that was on the same secrecy level as nuclear attack plans. The kind of stuff that would never, ever, ever be declassified.

No one in their right minds would ever volunteer to spy for the US in the next 30 years.
 
For what it's worth, IMO, in my own research into this subject, when one comes across CIA COINTEL Chief James Angleton (and his very close relationship with the Kennedys) and his immediate reaction to the assassination (the infamous Mole hunt), the likelihood of a "rogue group of operatives" is something I can completely dismiss. Yes, Bay of Pigs; Castro; $$$, etc. It still doesn't work in practice, because Angleton would never have let "rogues" get away with this. Everyone in the agency, including Angleton, felt JFK dropped the ball with the Bay of Pigs, but it was far from a hanging offense.

President Johnson's call with Hoover spells out the "cover up" very clearly: "We have to [put this to bed] before we get into a war that will kill 20 million people in the first hour." My impression of this action is the following: Because I have no idea if a conspiracy has taken place, or quite frankly, the event happened as reported, it would be best for domestic and foreign policy interests to act as though everything is under control. I would prefer this option specifically if I thought there was a conspiracy, to buy more time and make the "rogues" think I wasn't on a search.

Regarding the Mob: The same Mafia that wouldn't take out a prosecutor, police officer or Judge because of the heat is going to take out the head of the USG, and this is going to go smoothly because... what? Jack Ruby? The French Connection? Please. How in the world does this assassination get you back to Cuba?

Mob Connections: Everyone was "connected" back then. One literally could not do business in the USA (ports, Unions, trucking, etc.) unless you were passing an envelope to someone. My Grandpa had to pass an envelope back in the day, because you had to.

Regarding Vietnam: Kennedy ran in 1960 on the premise that Eisenhower, and thus Nixon, were soft on communism (YES), and he was going to be more hawkish and take control of the threats to national security, etc. He started the buildup, and quite frankly, due to his failure in Cuba, (if no assassination) I can foresee continued escalation in Vietnam.

Lastly, Kennedy was absolutely beloved in his time. DC was a small place and everyone knew each other. The culture was incredibly Patriotic at the time. The Commies were trying to nuke the USA. Oswald was a prick. He no doubt communicated his intentions to others, but how seriously could someone react to his grandiose plans?

When Oswald attempts to assassinate the General Edwin Walker, he had an escape plan. The motorcade route was published 48 hours before the assassination; Oswald was already working at the Depository for 6 weeks. He had zero escape plan. He was rushed; he hid in a movie theater. He didn't even have time to arrange for someone to pick him up. The way that road breaks, it becomes more of a relatively fixed target for Oswald to hit the farther the car traveled. The first shot was the hardest. I think I said "Lastly" already, so I'm going to quit while I'm ahead. :)
 
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Spying on other embassies--double agents...par for the course. It would surprise me more if they didn't do that kind of statecraft. The way you spot a KGB man in that era is that he NEVER drinks when dining with an asset--for example.

Even if the CIA was behind JFK's assassination--that would likely never have been documented--or those papers burned. (I'd like to think the CIA would have done a neater job).

My guess as to what was behind the delay would be that the CIA had lots of (Batista type) Whitey Bulgers of their own--same as FBI. Neither young spooks nor white-bread kids from Quantico knew jack about what goes on in the streets.

Only organized crime (and later, Contras) have that level of granularity in terms of local goings-on.

So, no--I don't believe the CIA had anything to do with JFK--I could have made that shot.

What I do think *was* done by Kissinger's made guys?

I think the CIA sanctioned priests:

"When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why they were poor, they called me a communist."

Not that FARQ and other outfits had clean hands either. Everything is still a mess.
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The CIA was involved. An eyewitness published the facts. When President Kennedy decided that the CIA was trying to manipulate him into sending ground troops to Vietnam, he decided to stop listening. He sent General Maxwell Taylor and Robert McNamara to Vietnam to get their on the ground assessment of the situation. Their report convinced him to issue National Security Action Memorandum 263. All U.S. ground troops under MACV/SOG (Military Assistance Command Vietnam/Studies and Observations Group), and CIA advisors would leave the country by 1965. This information was published in the Pacific Stars and Stripes under the headline, White House Report - U.S. Troops Seen Out of Viet by '65. It is dated October 4, 1963.

The moment this happened, that is, the moment the CIA realized they could no longer influence the President, a plan was put into motion to eliminate him. He had become useless in terms of meeting their goals. Satellite images and overflights confirmed that China was building its first atomic bomb. The CIA needed a forward base of operations in the region. They did not want to see a repeat of the Korean War which had ended 10 years earlier. It was vital to prevent the spread of Communism in the region.

A CIA contact hired foreign shooters. The plan required only three people at the CIA, which was common for all high-security operations. The CIA knew how the Secret Service, FBI and local police would react once the shooting was over - which was a matter of seconds. Two volleys and the shooters left through a pre-planned route. They were out of the country shortly after.

When President Kennedy arrived at Parkland Memorial Hospital, doctors in Trauma Room One examined his wounds. Aside from the head wound, there was an entrance wound at the front of the throat. They concluded that he had been hit from the front. They were advised to not report their observations. Against Texas law, the body was removed from Parkland Memorial and sent to Bethesda Naval Hospital for autopsy. Commander James Humes had burned his notes. Alterations in the X-rays taken were noted later. The limousine that carried the President had been driven away from Parkland Memorial.

After Lyndon Johnson was sworn in, the manipulation plan continued. The National Security Agency was conducting radio intercept operations in the Gulf of Tonkin area. They convinced him that U.S. Naval ships had been fired on by North Vietnamese Naval forces. This led to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution of August 7, 1964. On October 16, 1964, China detonates its first atomic bomb. The CIA's goal is to divide Vietnam into North and South, just like Korea. They needed that permanent forward base of operations. Johnson supported their goals without realizing, at the time, that the war was out his hands. The North had no aircraft carriers or B-52 bombers, but military planners would convince Johnson of the need to hold the North at bay through repeated bombings, supplemented by clandestine operations in Laos and Cambodia.

Kennedy had not been shot by one man. The public had seen the shooting at close range. In the early 2000s, the former commander of North Vietnamese Naval forces in the Gulf of Tonkin was asked what happened. He replied, "Absolutely nothing."
 
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edwest4 said:
The moment this happened, that is, the moment the CIA realized they could no longer influence the President, a plan was put into motion to eliminate him. He had become useless in terms of meeting their goals. Satellite images and overflights confirmed that China was building its first atomic bomb. The CIA needed a forward base of operations in the region. They did not want to see a repeat of the Korean War which had ended 10 years earlier. It was vital to prevent the spread of Communism in the region.
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I have no interest in being adversarial or argumentative, but I just want to point out that the idea of the CIA in the 50s and 60s assassinating their own President is insane. The Cold War was brand new. People were patriotic AF. Even in Dallas. The CIA was/is protecting counter-intelligence assets that were tracking Oswald and others. They were opening domestic mail. They were bugging offices. Ways and means; sources and methods are the tools of the trade. Believe it or not, some of these people may still be living.
 
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VishnuOsiris said:
I have no interest in being adversarial or argumentative, but I just want to point out that the idea of the CIA in the 50s and 60s assassinating their own President is insane. The Cold War was brand new. People were patriotic AF. Even in Dallas. The CIA was/is protecting counter-intelligence assets that were tracking Oswald and others. They were opening domestic mail. They were bugging offices. Ways and means; sources and methods are the tools of the trade.
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You have nothing to refute my historical claims. I lived through most of the Cold War in a united and patriotic United States. The Cold War had started in 1945. Our short-term ally, the Russians, were seen as an immediate threat to the West. What is insane is the lack of knowledge online of anything resembling actual history.

British Prime Minister Churchill asked his military advisors for a plan to attack the Russians in 1945. This would involve reactivating parts of the German Army, including the Waffen SS. Yes, what is truly insane is anyone thinking the Cold War began in the 1950s.


You know nothing about the CIA, which began as the wartime Office of Strategic Services (OSS). I watched on TV as their field commander, William Donovan, was asked what the OSS did during the war. "We killed people and blew up things." The OSS later became the CIA and inherited all of their files. Killing one man was nothing new to them. During the war, a lawyer from the firm Cromwell & Sullivan acted as liaison. His name was Allen Dulles. He had an office in neutral Switzerland. The same Allen Dulles that would be fired by President Kennedy.
 
With respect to your insinuations that I am either regarded or talking out of my butt, I have zero problem accepting everything you've written as fact, and maintaining my position. Please, agree to disagree?
 
VishnuOsiris said:
With respect to your insinuations that I am either regarded or talking out of my butt, I have zero problem accepting everything you've written as fact, and maintaining my position. Please, agree to disagree?
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I meant no disrespect to you personally. I know my posts are read by many people. "agree to disagree" is like unilateral disarmament, it doesn't work.
 
 
You've read some books which made claims and arguments you found convincing. If this is "documentation", then so is the Bible, and we must regard the Creationist viewpoint proven.

Discussion is very unproductive, so no more posts unless they are about some new revelation from this document release.
 
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You've read some books which made claims and arguments you found convincing. If this is "documentation", then so is the Bible, and we must regard the Creationist viewpoint proven.
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On the contrary, Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty worked in the Pentagon during the Kennedy administration. He provides information that can be checked by anyone. This includes NSAM 263 in which President Kennedy announces the withdrawal of all U.S. troops and advisors from Vietnam by 1965.

National Security Action Memoranda [NSAM]: NSAM 263, South Vietnam

This file contains a draft and copies of National Security Action Memoranda number 263 (NSAM 263) titled, “South Vietnam,” to Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Maxwell Taylor from McGeorge Bundy, Special...
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Mark Lane, an attorney, wrote the first book criticizing the Warren Commission Report. Rush to Judgment was released in 1966. He interviewed eyewitnesses to that day's events who were not called by the Warren Commission. He recorded and filmed these interviews. He also takes statements from ballistics experts regarding the bullet held by the Commission. Their expert testimony contradicts the official story. Everything is laid out like in a court case. Evidence is examined, and when compared to the Report, does not support the Report's conclusions.
 
@VishnuOsiris : don't feed the troll. He is a cranky conspirationist. The Ignore button is also pretty useful.

@overscan : let him commit a "suicide by moderator". I'll get popcorn and enjoy it.
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
You've read some books which made claims and arguments you found convincing. If this is "documentation", then so is the Bible, and we must regard the Creationist viewpoint proven.
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3,000 years from now, after terrestrial civilization has collapsed into a two-millenia dark age and finally risen back up to steam-tech level, there will be a conference of leading archeologists:

A: "You know how we've always considered Spiderman to be a religious myth from the Before Times?"
B: "Yeah, so?"
A: "The Holy Books of Spiderman say he lived in the Holy City of New York, right?"
B: "Yeah, so?"
A: "Take a look at these recent discoveries. Under several meters of volcanic ash we found a ruined city. And... BEHOLD! Here's a sign, just translated as 'Library of New York City'."
B: "Holy Zarquon! Does this mean that New York was a real place?"
A: "Certainly looks that way. More discoveries by the day, with more reports of signs bearing 'New York City'."
B: "WOW! That means that Spiderman was real!"
A: "Just wait until you see the references we've found to 'Gotham' and 'Metropolis'..."
 
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