The designations of Fiat and related companies
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I've decided to mount my 'G' for Gabrielli designation list. There's not a great deal new here (aside from a few lesser-known variants) but a plain-text makes it more 'search-engine friendly'. As always, all comments, additions, and corrections are most welcome ...
While at Fiat, Giuseppe Gabrielli is said to have designed 142 aircraft concepts of which 63 were built and 17 were mass-produced. [1] 'G' for Gabrielli designations initially proceed numerically and more or less chronologically by design date. (BTW: Here, I've given design dates for unbuilt projects but first-flight dates for built aircraft.) However, designers seem to have been given considerable sway on how they assigned designation numbers.
Sometime around 1935, ing. Gabrielli broke with his strictly numerical designation sequence. He decided to assign blocks of numbers to particular groups of designs (which may explain many of the apparent 'gaps'). Examples of these designation number blocks are the large, multi-engine aircraft beginning with the 1937 G.30 project (which evolved as airliner and bomber projects) and the well-known G.50 single-engined fighter of the same year. Skybolt has suggested that these blocks of numbers may have - initially, at least - been assigned in groups of five. [2]
Gabrielli designation sub-type suffixes vary. For example, there was both a Fiat G.5/2 and a G.5bis. Most prewar and immediately post-WW2 suffixes are Minsterio dell'Aeronautica role abbreviations (explained parenthetically in these listings). To these role designators are often added engine-type letters ('A' for Alfa-Romeo, etc.). Multi-letter prewar/wartime role designators seem mainly to have uppercase for the first letter only - postwar use preferred all-caps (and many list-makers attempt to rationalize the earlier suffixes).
Some sources list serie letters for production variants. I have included these only for the oft-quoted G.55 serie letters - G.55 for the prototype; G.55/0 for the pre-production model; G.55/I for the first full production model; and G.55/II for a wartime armaments prototype.
After WW2, designation suffixes get a little funky. As an example, the 1945 G.22 light transport project included three proposed variants: the G.22, G.22B, and G.22bis, but no 'G.22A'. On the other hand, there was an 'A' planned in the G.26 sequence ... but, in this case, that 'A' stood for the G.26A's Alvis Leonides powerplant. Then, a new approach to designations was adopted in 1947.
Gabrielli had decided that his lower-powered and non-combat aircraft designs would henceforth have G.4X series designations. As a result, general aviation projects received G.40-through-G.44 designations. Military 2-seat trainer projects received G.46-through-G.49 designations. Some confusion resulted when G.55 derivatives were re-designated G.48 simply because they had lower-powered engines (I-F Delta RC.40-Is) installed.
On the subject of G.55 designations: although Gabrielli may have intended to end his G.5x series with the G.55, that proved impractical. Wartime developments extended the series with the G.56 prototype and G.57 and G.58 projects. Postwar developments further extended that series with the Merlin-powered G.55 derivatives - the 1948 G.59 trainers and the related G.60 and G.61 projects.
Postwar designation suffixes also changed. For example, G.55s (including the sole G.55S) rebuilt for AMI training use, were re-designated G.55A. This was followed by new-production G.55B 2-seat trainers. Both were Fiat RA.1050 Tifone-powered. When that powerplant was changed to the plentiful Isotta-Fraschini Delta, the single-seater briefly became a G.55AD, the 2-seat a G.55BD. This pattern was followed by other period Gabrielli design as well. However, after 1947, sub-type suffixes were changed along with type designations.
After 1947, numerical sub-types were adopted. If further sub-type distinctions were felt needed, a letter was added after the sub-type number. In the case of the G.80 jet trainer, the original 1949 design was assigned the designation G.80-1 (sometimes given as G.80/1). But, with a few design tweaks, the 1951 prototype became the G.80-1B. In other cases, all variants seem to assigned modifying letters along with their sub-type numbers - eg: the G.59 series.
As always, there are designation sub-type anonomolies. For example, within the otherwise orderly G.46 sequence (G.46-2 through G.46-6A), there were was the planned G.46 bis variant. Likewise, under the G.59 series (G.59-1A through G.59-4B), there was the proposed turboprop G.59D. It may be significant that both mentioned anomolies were unbuilt projects. (Perhaps, had they been built, these two projects would have been assigned 'proper' sub-type suffixes?) In any case, both anomolies are throw-backs. The 1954 G.59D designation is obviously a reference to its planned Dart turboprop engine (indeed, the project was also referred to as the G.59/Dart).
Another anomoly in the 1947 designation system occurs with an evolution of the prewar G.12 trimotor. Although the postwar trimotor had little in common with its predecessor other than layout, Gabrielli designated the 1947 model G.212. Other out-of-sequence designations begin with a '2' followed. However, the pattern changes. Whereas the G.212 could be viewed as a 'second take on the G.12', the G.218 was completely urelated to the prewar G.18 (unless being twin-engined was enough to form such a relationship). Likewise, the much later Aeritalia G.222 bears no relationship to earlier designs.
In the case of the G.222, there is no connection to earlier designations. Instead, the '222' is said to derive from '2' for the number of main engines - ie: ignoring that design's early-stage liftjets - and '22' from its original NBMR 22 requirement. Most of the G.222 'designations' are actually AMI role designators (because they are in common use, I decided to include them). Of course, C-27 variants could also be included but since they lack 'G' letters ...
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[1] 'Giuseppe Gabrielli: 1903-1987' by Nicholas J. Hoff in Memorial Tributes: Volume 4, National Academy of Engineering, 1991, pg 116.
[2] This would explain some dating. Eg: the G.50-based G.51 and G.53 projects appear 2-3 years after work begins on the G.55. (It doesn't help with the G.52 project which dates to a year before work began on the G.55.)
While at Fiat, Giuseppe Gabrielli is said to have designed 142 aircraft concepts of which 63 were built and 17 were mass-produced. [1] 'G' for Gabrielli designations initially proceed numerically and more or less chronologically by design date. (BTW: Here, I've given design dates for unbuilt projects but first-flight dates for built aircraft.) However, designers seem to have been given considerable sway on how they assigned designation numbers.
Sometime around 1935, ing. Gabrielli broke with his strictly numerical designation sequence. He decided to assign blocks of numbers to particular groups of designs (which may explain many of the apparent 'gaps'). Examples of these designation number blocks are the large, multi-engine aircraft beginning with the 1937 G.30 project (which evolved as airliner and bomber projects) and the well-known G.50 single-engined fighter of the same year. Skybolt has suggested that these blocks of numbers may have - initially, at least - been assigned in groups of five. [2]
Gabrielli designation sub-type suffixes vary. For example, there was both a Fiat G.5/2 and a G.5bis. Most prewar and immediately post-WW2 suffixes are Minsterio dell'Aeronautica role abbreviations (explained parenthetically in these listings). To these role designators are often added engine-type letters ('A' for Alfa-Romeo, etc.). Multi-letter prewar/wartime role designators seem mainly to have uppercase for the first letter only - postwar use preferred all-caps (and many list-makers attempt to rationalize the earlier suffixes).
Some sources list serie letters for production variants. I have included these only for the oft-quoted G.55 serie letters - G.55 for the prototype; G.55/0 for the pre-production model; G.55/I for the first full production model; and G.55/II for a wartime armaments prototype.
After WW2, designation suffixes get a little funky. As an example, the 1945 G.22 light transport project included three proposed variants: the G.22, G.22B, and G.22bis, but no 'G.22A'. On the other hand, there was an 'A' planned in the G.26 sequence ... but, in this case, that 'A' stood for the G.26A's Alvis Leonides powerplant. Then, a new approach to designations was adopted in 1947.
Gabrielli had decided that his lower-powered and non-combat aircraft designs would henceforth have G.4X series designations. As a result, general aviation projects received G.40-through-G.44 designations. Military 2-seat trainer projects received G.46-through-G.49 designations. Some confusion resulted when G.55 derivatives were re-designated G.48 simply because they had lower-powered engines (I-F Delta RC.40-Is) installed.
On the subject of G.55 designations: although Gabrielli may have intended to end his G.5x series with the G.55, that proved impractical. Wartime developments extended the series with the G.56 prototype and G.57 and G.58 projects. Postwar developments further extended that series with the Merlin-powered G.55 derivatives - the 1948 G.59 trainers and the related G.60 and G.61 projects.
Postwar designation suffixes also changed. For example, G.55s (including the sole G.55S) rebuilt for AMI training use, were re-designated G.55A. This was followed by new-production G.55B 2-seat trainers. Both were Fiat RA.1050 Tifone-powered. When that powerplant was changed to the plentiful Isotta-Fraschini Delta, the single-seater briefly became a G.55AD, the 2-seat a G.55BD. This pattern was followed by other period Gabrielli design as well. However, after 1947, sub-type suffixes were changed along with type designations.
After 1947, numerical sub-types were adopted. If further sub-type distinctions were felt needed, a letter was added after the sub-type number. In the case of the G.80 jet trainer, the original 1949 design was assigned the designation G.80-1 (sometimes given as G.80/1). But, with a few design tweaks, the 1951 prototype became the G.80-1B. In other cases, all variants seem to assigned modifying letters along with their sub-type numbers - eg: the G.59 series.
As always, there are designation sub-type anonomolies. For example, within the otherwise orderly G.46 sequence (G.46-2 through G.46-6A), there were was the planned G.46 bis variant. Likewise, under the G.59 series (G.59-1A through G.59-4B), there was the proposed turboprop G.59D. It may be significant that both mentioned anomolies were unbuilt projects. (Perhaps, had they been built, these two projects would have been assigned 'proper' sub-type suffixes?) In any case, both anomolies are throw-backs. The 1954 G.59D designation is obviously a reference to its planned Dart turboprop engine (indeed, the project was also referred to as the G.59/Dart).
Another anomoly in the 1947 designation system occurs with an evolution of the prewar G.12 trimotor. Although the postwar trimotor had little in common with its predecessor other than layout, Gabrielli designated the 1947 model G.212. Other out-of-sequence designations begin with a '2' followed. However, the pattern changes. Whereas the G.212 could be viewed as a 'second take on the G.12', the G.218 was completely urelated to the prewar G.18 (unless being twin-engined was enough to form such a relationship). Likewise, the much later Aeritalia G.222 bears no relationship to earlier designs.
In the case of the G.222, there is no connection to earlier designations. Instead, the '222' is said to derive from '2' for the number of main engines - ie: ignoring that design's early-stage liftjets - and '22' from its original NBMR 22 requirement. Most of the G.222 'designations' are actually AMI role designators (because they are in common use, I decided to include them). Of course, C-27 variants could also be included but since they lack 'G' letters ...
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[1] 'Giuseppe Gabrielli: 1903-1987' by Nicholas J. Hoff in Memorial Tributes: Volume 4, National Academy of Engineering, 1991, pg 116.
[2] This would explain some dating. Eg: the G.50-based G.51 and G.53 projects appear 2-3 years after work begins on the G.55. (It doesn't help with the G.52 project which dates to a year before work began on the G.55.)
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Fiat 'G' for Giuseppe Gabrielli Aircraft Designations
G.1 - (Project) 1931 idro
- G.1: No other details
G.2 - 1932 trimotor feederliner, x 1 (c/n 1)*
- G.2: 6 pax low-wing monoplane, span 18.01 m
- G.2 : All-metal const., spatted main u/c
- G.2/1: 3 x 135 hp Fiat A.60 inverted 4-cyl.
-- * I-FIAT (ALI),** PP-VAM (Varig), PP-LAH
-- ** ALI, Fiat's own Avio Linee Italiane
- G.2/2: (Project) 120 hp Alfa Romeo 101-I 4-cyl
- G.2/3: (Project) 120 hp DH Gispy Major 4-cyl
- G.2/4: (Project) 140 hp Fiat A.54 7-cyl. radial
G.3 - (Project) 1931 trimotor transport
- G.3: 12 x pax or mail + 4 pax
- G.3: 3 x Fiat A.55, span ?? m
G.4 - (Project) 1932 2-seat fighter
- G.4: 1 x 720 hp Fiat A.26R, span ?? m
G.5 - 1933 2-seat* aerobatic trainer, x 37
- G.5: Low-wing monoplane, wooden wing
-- * Potential single- or 3-seat vers.
- G.5 : Prototypes MM.212/MM.213, x 2
- G.5 : 1 x 140 hp Fiat A.54 radial*
-- Often mis-listed as '135 hp A.70'
- G.5/2: 1933, 1 x 140 hp Fiat A.60, x 1
- G.5bis: 1933 prod. vers., more power
- G.5bis: 1 x 200 hp Fiat A.70 7-cyl.
-- G.5bis: Optional Fiat A.54 or A.60
-- aka CMASA G.5, Aeronautica d'Italia G.5
-- Aeronautica d'Italia built prototypes
-- CMASA built production model G.5bis
-- https://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/8/8/6/15862_rd.jpg
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/FiatCMASAG5.html
G.6 - (Project) 1931 idro racer
- G.6: 1 x Fiat A.56, span ?? m
G.7 - (Project) 1933 trimotor transport
- G.7: 20 pax
- G.7: 3 x Fiat A.58, span ?? m
G.8 - 1934 2-seat military biplane trainer, x 61
- G.8: Tandem 2-seat, Warren truss wing bracing
- G.8: 1 x 135 hp Fiat A.54 7-cyl, span 8.76 m
- G.8: Opt'l A.70, later used for communications
G.9 - (Project) 1938 high-altitude 3-seater
- G.9: 2 x Fiat A.80 RC100
G.10 - (??)
G.11 - (Project) 1933 2-seat light aircraft
- G.11: 1 x (??) hp (??), span ?? m
G.12 - 1940 low-wing trimotor transport, x 104
- G.12 : 3 x 800 hp Fiat A.74 RC42, span 26.80 m
- G.12C : (Civile) 1940 14 pax transport
- G.12C : 3 x 750 hp Alfa-Romeo A.126 RC34
-- G.12C: For Linee Aeree Transcontinental Italiane
- G.12CR: (Project) 1939 short-range, 14 pax
- G.12Tr: (Project) 1940 short-range troop/cargo
- G.12Tr: (Trasporto) aka Fiat G.12T, x 12
-- G.12Tr: Seating up to 30 troops (+10 on floor)
- G.12Tp: (Project) 1941-42 24 x paratroop transp.
-- G.12Tp: Lanciani turret, ventral cargo hold
- G.12TpB: (Project) 1942 transport/night bomber
-- G.12TpB: With 1,690 kg bombs or paratroopers
- G.12TB: (Project) 1942 night bomber, canc.*
-- * 30 x G.12TB ordered, metal cut, then canc.
- G.12GA : (Grande Autonomia) transport, x 3
-- G.12GA: Long-range type w/ extra fuel tanks
- G.12Tr-GA: Civil G.12GA conver. to long-range
-- G.12Tr-GA listed by Airwar.ru (as G.12TR-GA)
- G.12LGA: 1942 troop transport/LATI cargo
- G.12LGA: ('A' for Alfa) 3 x 750 hp A.126 RC34
- G.12 Gondar: 1941 long-range cargo carrier
-- G.12 Gondar: Added fuel, no armament
- G.12RT: (Roma-Tokyo) 1942 Rome-Tokyo transp., x 1
- G.12RT: 3 x 860 hp A.128 RC14, span 26.80 m
- G.12RTbis: 1943 Rome-Tokyo transport, x 1
- G.12RTbis: 3 x A.128 RC14, span 26.80 m
- G.12 (Egeo): (Project) 7 pax + 1.3 t*
-- * Specifically for RA's Aegean Sea routes
- G.12S : (Project) Armed VIP transp., 4 pax
-- G.12S: Lanciani turret, 2 x flex.-mount guns
- G.12TA: (Project) 1945 troop/cargo transport
- G.12TA: 3 x A.128 RC14, span 26.80 m
- G.12CA: 1945 18 pax transport, 3 x A.128 RC14
- G.12L : 1946 12 pax transport, 3 x A.74 RC42
-- G.12L: 'L' sub-types had extended fuselages
- G.12LA: 1948 16-22 pax transport, 3 x A.128 RC14
- G.12LB: 1947 16-22 pax transp., Pegasus 48s
-- G.12LB: ('B' for Bristol) 3 x 810 hp Pegasus 48s
- G.12LP: 1947 16-22 pax transport, 3 x R-1830-S1C3-G
-- G.12LP: ('P' for Pratt & Whitney) Twin Wasps
- G.12AV: 1950 Aula Volante trainer, 3 x A.128 RC14
-- 'AV' for Aula Volante ('Flying Classroom')
G.13 - G.17 - (??)
G.18 - 1935 2-engined transport monoplane, x 9
- G.18 : DC-2 clone for Fiat's airline, ALI
- G.18 : 1935 3 + 18 pax airliner/transport
- G.18 : 2 x 700 hp Fiat A.59R,* span 25.00 m
- G.18: 3 x prototypes, seen as underpowered
-- * Licence-built US P&W R-1690 Hornet
- G.18V: Veloce, 1937 high-speed development
- G.18V: 2 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.80 RC41 18-cyl.
- G.18bis: (Project) 1938 12-pax trimotor
- G.18bis: 3 x Fiat A.74 RC, span 25.00 m
G.19 - (??) Common typo for G.91 'Gina'
G.20 - (Project) 1945 2+6 pax trimotor transport
- G.20 : 3 x 130 hp Alfa Romeo 110, span ?? m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg291778.html#msg291778
G.21 - (Project) 1933 8 pax trimotor transport
- G.21 : 3 x 130 hp Fiat A.58 radials, span ?? m
G.22 - (Project) 1945 6 pax 2-engined transport*
- G.22 : 2 x 195 hp Alfa-Romeo 115 L6, span ?? m
- G.22B: 2 x 380 hp Alfa-Romeo 121 V-8, span ?? m
- G.22bis: 2 x Alfa-Romeo 115, span ?? m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg291778.html#msg291778
G.23 - (??)
G.24 - (Project) 1945 10 pax 2-engined transport
- G.24 : 2 x 380 hp Alfa-Romeo 121 V-8, span ?? m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg291778.html#msg291778
G.25 - (??)
G.26 - (Project) 1945 10 pax 2-engined transport
- G.26 : Low-winged, retract. u/c, single tail
- G.26 : 2 x I-F Delta RC40-I, span 17.90 m
- G.26A: 2 x 1,050 hp Alvis Leonides, span 17.90 m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg292055.html#msg292055
G.27 - (??)
G.28 - (Project) 1947 trainer and transport
- G.28 : 2 x I-F Delta RC40-I, span ?? m
- G.218 : Poss. G.28 refined for 'il concorso'
G.29 - (??) Seen as a Wiki typo for G.49
G.30 - (Project) 1937 30 pax civil transport
- G.30 : 4 x Fiat A.74 or A.82, span 31.70 m
- G.30B: Bomber deriv.,* 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42
-- * Submitted for 1938 concorso BGR
-- Exceeded BGR's allowable max. speed!
-- Progettazione e produttività dell'industria aeronautica italiana dalle origini al 1943, pp.91-92
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,236.msg293172.html#msg293172
- G.30S: Mil. transport, 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42
G.31 - (Project) 1940 16 pax civil transport
- G.31 : 2 x 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42, span ?? m
-- NB: G.31 also desig. of 1966 Fiat show car
G.32 - G.35 (??)
G.36 - (Project) 1936 36 pax idro civil transport
- G.36 : 2 x 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42, span ?? m
-- NB: 'G.36' also seen as a typo for G.46
G.37 - G.39 (??)
G.40 - (Project) 1946 2-seat trainer/tourer
- G.40: 1 x CNA D.4-I, span ?? m
G.41 - (Project) 1946 2-seat general aviation
- G.41: 1 x Continental 75, span ?? m
-- Same as G.40 project other than engine
G.42 - (Project) 1946 2-seat general aviation
- G.42: 1 x Alfa-Romeo 115 bis, span ?? m
-- Same as G.40 & G.41 other than engine
G.43 - Designation number not assigned
G.44 - (Project) 1946 3-seat general av tourer
- G.44: Similar to built 2-seat G.46-1 trainer
- G.44: 1 x Alfa-Romeo AR.115 bis, span ?? m
G.45 - Designation number not assigned
G.46 - 1947 2-seat mil. trainer, span 10.40 m, x 223
- G.46 : (Project) 1946 2-seat G.44 derivative
- G.46-1: 1947 2-seater, 1 x 195 hp Alfa-Romeo 115 bis
-- G.46-1 loses AMI trainer comp. to SAI Ambrosini S.7
- G.46 bis: (Project) 1 x DH Gipsy Queen 70
- G.46-2 : 1948, 1 x 250 hp DH Gipsy Queen 30
- G.46-2B: 1948, For Argentina, 1 x 7.7 mm Breda mg*
-- 70 built for Argentina + 12 for Syria
- G.46-3A: 1949 single-seater, 1 x Alfa-Romeo 115 ter
- G.46-3B: 1948 2-seater, 1 x 225 hp A-R 115 ter
- G.46-4A: 1949 single-seater, 1 x 215 hp A-R 115 ter
- G.46-4B: 1951 2-seater, 1 x 215 hp A-R115 ter ed.1950
- G.46-5A: (??) 1 x claimed modern single-seater conv.
- G.46-5B: 1951 2-seater, 1 x Alfa-Romeo 115 ter*
-- * 1 x prototype, operated as nav/instrument trainer
- G.46-6A: 1949 single-seater, 1 x DH Gipsy Queen 30
G.47 - (Project) 1947 2-seat trainer, G.46 devel.
- G.47: 1 x Pratt & Whitney R-985 Wasp Junior
-- Similar to G.46 other than engine instal.
G.48 - 1948 military trainer, G.55 deriv.,* x 2
- G.48A: single-seater, 1 x I-F Delta RC40-I
-- G.48A: Fiat G.55AD (qv) re-designated
- G.48B: 2-seat trainer, 1 x I-F Delta RC40-I
-- G.48B: Fiat G.55BD (qv) re-designated
-- Prototypes of both G.48A and G.48B built
-- * Alternatively viewed as higher-powered G.46**
-- ** As per L'Ala, Anno V, n.17-19, p.10
G.49 - 1952 2-seat military trainer, span 13.00 m, x 3
- G.49-1: 1953, 1 x 570 hp Alvis Leonides 502/4
-- http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/g49/g49-1.jpg
- G.49-2: 1952, 1 x 610 hp P&W R-1340-S3H1 Wasp
-- http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/g49/g49-6.jpg
-- In comp. w/ Piaggio P.150 & Macchi MB.323
G.50 - 1937 Freccia monoplane fighter, x ??
- G.50: Single-seater for Caccia (Intercettori)
- G.50 : 1937, 1 x Fiat A.74 RC38 radial, span 10.96 m
-- G.50: Orig. vers. fitted with full cockpit canopy
- G.50bis: 1940 vers., refined fuselage/tail
- G.50bis: 1 x Fiat A.74 RC38, span 10.96 m
- G.50bis/A: 1942 exper. 2-seat naval carrier a/c
-- G.50bis/A: Based on G.50B airframe (below)
- G.50B: 1940 unarmed 2-seater, 1 x Fiat A.74 RC38
-- G.50B trainer devel. by CMASA of Marina di Pisa
- G.50B ric: (Project) 1941 reconnaissance a/c
-- G.50B ric or G.50 ric (ricognizione)
-- NB: On G.50 ric 1- or -2-seater, sources vary
-- Reggiane Re.2003 prefered to G.50/G.50Bric
- G.50ter: 1941 improv. vers., Fiat A.76 RC40S
- G.50V: 1941 exper. fighter, 1 x DB 601A-1*
-- Production G.50 envisioned with DB 601N
-- G.50V conv. devel. by CMASA of Marina di Pisa
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22333.0/all.html
G.51 - (Project) 1941 G.50 devel., several types
- G.51: Single-seat fighter, 1 x Fiat A.75 RC53*
-- * A.75 RC53 was a 1940-41 Fiat A.74 RC42 deriv.
- G.51bis: Twin-boomed, G.50-based fighter
- G.51bis: 2 x Fiat A.74 RC.42s, span 10.96 m
-- "G.51 bis caccia bimotore-(progetto)"
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3465.0/all.html
G.52 - Desig. not assigned (some sources) or ...
G.52 - (Project) 1938 single-seat monoplane fighter
- G.52: Winner of Caccia I (Intercettori)*
-- * With the similarly A.76-powered Macchi C.201
- G.52: 1 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.76 RC38,** span 10.96 m
-- ** Also shown with 1,000 hp Fiat A.74 RC40
-- ** Planned alt. 1,550 hp A.83 RC.24-52 Vortice
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aeronautica-ditalia-fiat-g-52.2425/
G.53 - (Project) 1941-1942, 2 distinct developments
- G.53: (I) (Project) 1941, single-seat fighter a/c
- G.53: (I) 1 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.76 RC40, span 10.96 m
- G.53: (II) (Project) 1942, 2-seat fast recce a/c
- G.53: (II) DB 601-powered G.50B ric devel.
- G.53: (II) 1 x Daimler Benz DB 601A as per G.50V
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3465.msg27611.html#msg27611
G.54 - Number not assigned
- G.54: hesham mentions poss compet. to Re.2004
G.55 - 1942 Centauro single-seat low-wing fighter
- G.55: Highly-refined G.50V with DB 605/Tifone
- G.55: (Project) July 1939, upright Fiat A.38 V-12
-- G.55: July 1939, tubular mono-spar wing design
- G.55: (Project) March 1940, inverted A.38 IV-12
-- G.55: March 1940, conv. spar wings, contra-props
- G.55: (Project) May 1941, Fiat A.38 RC15-45
-- G.55: May 1941, 3-blade repl. 2-blade contras
- G.55F: Desig. sometimes applied to A.38 concepts
- G.55: (Project) Sept 1941, German DB 605A engine
-- G.55: Sept 1941, still retains G.50V features*
-- * Sliding cockpit canopy & undernose oil cooler
- G.55 : Prototype (MM ) firs flew 30 April 1942
- G.55/0 : 1942 prod'n model, 1 x 20mm, 4 x 12.7 mm
- G.55/I : 1943 prod'n model, 3 x 20mm, 2 x 12.7 mm
- G.55/II: 1944 prototype, 5 x 20 mm MG 151/20 guns
- G.55S : (Project) 'silurotto' torpedo-fighter*
-- * Reduced-length 3.38 m Whitehead Fiume torpedo
-- Orig. G.55S dropped in favour of Fiat G.57 (qv)
- G.55S : (Silurante) 1944 torpedo-fighter conv'n
-- Twin radiators, full-length (5.46 m) torpedo
- G.55Z : (Project) 1941-42, 1 x I-F Zeta RC40 X-24
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12228.0
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2480.msg20663.html#msg20663
- G.55 bimotore: (Project) 1942 Bifusoliera devel.
- G.55A : 1946, postwar trainer prod'n/rebuilds**
-- ** 1st G.55A was G.55S conv. back to serie I
- G.55B : 1946 prod'n Tifone-powered 2-seat trainer
- G.55AD: 1948 I-F Delta-powered military trainer
-- G.55AD single-seater re-desig. G.48A before flight
- G.55BD: 1948 I-F Delta-powered military trainer
-- G.55BD 2-seat trainer re-desig. G.48A before flight
- G.55AP: Conv. to Packard V-1650-7, x 1, not flown***
-- *** Actually G.59 airframe converted, aka G.61 (qv)
- G.55BP: (Project) 2-seat V-1650-7, not built, aka G.61B
G.56 - 1944 serie 6 fighter, G.55 devel., x 1
- G.56: 1 x 1,750 hp Daimler Benz DB 603A engine*
-- G.56: Prototype conv. from G.55/I airframe
-- * Planned to licence DB 603A to Alfa Romeo
G.57 - (Project) 1943 radial-engined G.55 deriv.
- G.57: Multi-purpose fighter andtorpedo bomber*
-- * G.57 eclipsed 1st G.55S concept in planning
- G.57: 1 x 1,550 hp A.83 RC.24-52B Vortice**
-- ** Some sources say 1,475 hp for Vortice
-- ** Others say 1,200 hp Fiat A.80 RC.20 radial
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg285804.html#msg285804
G.58 - (Project) 1943 single-seat fighter
- G.58: 1 x Daimler Benz DB 605/Tifone or
G.58 - (Project) 1943* twin-engined combat a/c**
- G.58: Single-seat 'twin G.55' heavy fighter
- G.58: 2 x G.55 fuselages, new centre section
- G.58: 2 x 1,450 hp DB 605A engines, span 15.52m
-- Armament: 6 x 20 mm MG 151 + 4 x 12.7 mm mgs
-- * Apr. 1943 submitted to Min. dell Aeronautica
-- * July 1943 wind tunnel shows tail mod. needed
-- ** Gianni Ludi: "Bimotore da combattimento"
-- http://www.egamers.it/contest/foto/italianplanes/g55series/Fiat G58.png
G.59 - 1948 trainer,* Merlin-powered G.55 deriv.
- G.59 : 1948 trainer, 1 x Packard Merlin T.24-2
-- * In practice, in theory single-seat was a fighter
- G.59-1A: 1949 Single-seat fighter/trainer, aka G.55AM
-- Armament: 4 x 12.7 mm M2 or 2 x M2 + 2 x 20 mm HS 404
- G.59-1B: 1948 2-seat-seat military trainer, aka G.55BM
- G.59-2 : Redesig. G.60A with R-R Merlin 500-20
- G.59-2A: 1950 single-seat military fighter/trainer
- G.59-2B: 1950 tandem 2-seat-seat military trainer
- G.59-3A: 1951 single-seat military fighter/trainer
- G.59-4A: 1951 single-seat, sliding bubble canopy
-- Armament: 4 x 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Mk II cannons
- G.59-4B: 1951 2-seat trainer, clear-view canopies
- G.59D : (Project) 1954 turboprop 2-seat exper. a/c
-- G.59D: aka G.59/Dart, to be conv. from G.49-4B
-- G.59D: 1 x Rolls-Royce Dart 505 turboprop
G.60 - (Project) 1947 trainer, Merlin-powered G.55
- G.60A: 1947 1-seater, 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 66
- G.60B: 1947 2-seater, 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 66
-- Merlin 66-powered G,60 eclipsed by Packard G.61
G.61 - (Project) 1948 trainer, Merlin-powered G.55
- G.61A: G.59 conv. to Packard V-1650-7, not flown, x 1
-- G.61A conversion aka G.55AP ('P' for Packard)
-- *** Actually airframe converted, aka G.61 (qv)
- G.61A: 1948 1-seater, 1 x Packard V-1650/7 Merlin
-- Armament: 2 x 12.7 mgs + 2 x 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Mk II
- G.61B: 1948 2-seater, 1 x Packard V-1650/7 Merlin
-- NB: G.61 had lengthened radiator bath & small dorsal fin
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12179.msg292767.html#msg292767
G.80 – 1951 2-seat advanced jet trainer
- G.80 : 1 x DH Goblin 35,* span 10.97 m
- G.80-1 : 1949 design, advanced trainer
- G.80-1B: Prototype c/n 1, flew 09 Dec 1951
- G.80-2 : (??)
- G.80-3 : 1952 design, pre-produnction a/c
- G.80-3B: 1954 prototype c/n 2, CAS/tac-recce
-- c/n 2 preserved at Vigna di Valle
-- * License-built as Fiat Model 4001
G.81 – 1950 Ghost-powered G.80 development
- G.81: (Project) 1950, DH Ghost turbojet*
-- * License-built as Fiat Model 4000
-- NB: G.81: (As built) 1954, R-R Nene turbojet
G.82 – 1954 Nene-powered G.80 devel. x 5
- G.82: 2-seat military trainer, alter. engine
- G.82: 1 x R-R Nene turbojet, span 11.81 m
- G.82: (Project) All-weather fighter variant
G.83 - (??)
G.84 – 1953 Allison J35-powered G.80 development
- G.84: 2-seat trainer for all-weather fighters
- G.82: 1 x R-R Nene turbojet, span 36'
-- Aband. in favour of T-33 for AMI (and NATO)
- G.82: (Project) CAS and tac-recce variant
G.85 - G.89 - (??)
G.90 - 1952* 2-seat twin-jet advanced trainer
- G.90: 2 x Turbomeca Marboré II turbojets
-- Some source list 1956/1957 as G.90 devel. time
G.91 – fighter-bomber/1956, 5,000 lbf Orpheus 803, span 8.56 m
-- 1 x R-R Orpheus, 1 x Adour Mk. 106, or 2 x GE J85
- G.91 : (Project) 1954, 1 x Rolls-Royce Nene turbojet
- G.91 : Prod'n vers., Orpheus 801/803, 4 prototypes + 27
- G.91A : STOL devel., greater wing area & LE slats, x 1
- G.91BS : (Project) Battlefield surveillance G.91T variant
-- G.91BS/1: Single-seat, impr. avionics & photog. equip't
-- G.91BS/2: Tandem 2-seat development of the G.91BS/1
- G.91E: (Project) G.91Y (qv) upgrade for AMI
-- G.91E: Part of Study 3-1x G.91Y upgrade series
- G.91N : (I) Pre-prod. airframe mod. for nav. equipment (1959?)
- G.91N : (II) Norw. mod., R-R/Turbomeca Adour Mk. 106*
-- * Based on G.91R/4 & 'R/5 but role changed to recce/strike
- G.91PAN: Aerobatic vers. for Frecce Tricolori team
- G.91R PAN: G.91R conv. to make up for losses, x 1
- G.91R/1A PAN: G.91R/1A conv. to make up losses, x 4
- G.91S : (Project) 1957 for Swiss, 1 x Orpheus BOr.12*
-- * 6,800 lbf dry, ultimately Fiat 4032 axial turbojet
-- G.91S: Sweep-back incr. to 38°, max. speed Mach 0.94
- G.91R: Single-seat strike/recce fighter, Orpheus 803
- G.91R: G.91 conv. to photo-recce role, 4 x conv.
- G.91R/1: 1958, photo-recce camera nose, AMI x 26*
-- G.91R/1: 3 x Vinten cameras, 4 x 12.7 mm mgs
-- * Figure 26 very likely incl. 4 x G.91R conv'ns
- G.91R/1A: 'R/1 w/ refined avionics, AMI x 25
- G.91R/1B: Strengthened airframe 'R/1, AMI x 50
-- G.91R/1B: Impr. brakes, tires, & instruments
- G.91R/2 : (Project) French vers., not pursued
- G.91R/3 : 1960, Luftwaffe 'R/1 deriv., x 344
-- G.91R/3: Impr. instr., 2 x 30 mm, 4 pylons
- G.91R/3SATS: Luftwaffe JATO/arrestor hook mod., x 1
- G.91R/4 : 1961, Turkish & Greek 'R/1 variant **
-- G.91R/4: 'R/1 gun armament, 'R/3 wing pylons
-- ** Deliv. canc., redirected to Norway & Portugal
- G.91R/5: (Project) 1962 Norw. long-range vers.
-- Norway received built G.91R/4s instead of G.91R/5s
- G.91R/6: (Project) Reinforced u/c, Doppler nav system
- G.91RS : (Project) G.91S variant w/ Orpheus BOr.15
- G.91T : 2-seat operational trainer, Orpheus 803
- G.91 : 1960 prototypes, x 2 for AMI
- G.91T/1: 2-seat strike trainer, 101 x AMI
- G.91T/2: (Project) French vers., not pursued
- G.91T/3: Trainer for Luftwaffe, x 22 + 44
-- G.91T/3: 2 x 12.7 mm, Fiat x 22, German x 44
- G.91T/4: (Project) NASARR radar-equipped vers.
-- G.91T/4 intended as trainers for AMI F-104s
- G.91TS: (Project) 1963 twin-engine supersonic
-- G.91TS: 2-seat advanced-trainer/combat a/c
-- G.91TS: Stretched fuselage, wide-chord wings
-- G.91TS: 2 x Rolls-Royce RB.153 turbojets
-- NB: Realistically, G.91TS was new a/c***
-- *** G.91TS led indirectly to G.91Y (below)
- G.91Y : 1966 twin-engined G.91 devel., x 69
- G.91Y : Single-seat strike/long-range recce
- G.91Y : 2 x GE J85-GE-13A, span 9.01 m
- G.91YR: (Project) 1961 devel., 2 x P&W JT12
-- G.91YR: Eclipsed by the GE J85-powered G.91Y
- G.91YT: (Project) 1961 G.91YR 2-seat trainer
- G.91YS: 1971 Swiss Venom repl. submission, c/n 2023
-- https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1971/1971 - 1008.html
- G.91Y-2: (Project) Close-support derivative
-- G.91Y-2: Part of Study 3-1x 'Y upgrade series
- G.91 STOL: (Project) See G.95 (below)
- G.291 : (Project) Part of Study 3-1x upgrade series
G.92 - (??)
G.93 - (Project) 1959 more powerful evol. of G.91S
- G.93 : 1 x Bristol Orpheus BOr.12 turbojet*
-- * 30.3 kN dry thrust, 36.34 kN with afterburner
G.94 : (??)
G.95 – (Project) 1960 multi-engine V/STOL strike fighter
- G.95 : Various layout/engine types to meet NBMR-3
- G.95 : Initial plan, V/STOL G.91 devel. for NBMR-3
- G.95: Horiz. liftjets/rear vectoring thrust nozzles
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,851.msg8056.html#msg8056
- G.95/1: (??) Poss. same as G.95/G.91 STOL
- G.95/2: (??)
- G.95/3: Single-seat V/STOL strike fighter, T-tail
-- G.95/3: 4 x RB.108 liftjets (in fore & aft pairs)
-- G.95/3: Twin sustainer jet pipes through wings
- G.95/4: VTOL tactical close-support aircraft
-- G.95/4: 4 x liftjets plus 2 x sustainer jets
-- G.95/4: Centre-grouped liftjets, rear sustainers
-- RB.162/31 liftjets, R-R/MAN RB.153/61 sustainers
-- RB.162/31 liftjets, 2 x 3,850 lbf GE J85 jets
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3466.msg27517.html#msg27517
- G.95/4A: Dedicated photo-reconnaissance variant
- G.95/5: (??)
- G.95/6: Mach 2 VTOL fighter-bomber/recce a/c
-- 6 x RB.162/31 liftjets, 2 x RB.153/61 sustainers*
-- G.95/6: 3 x fwd/3 x aft liftjets, rear sustainers
-- * G.95/6 RB.153/61 sustainers were afterburning
-- * Various sustainer propulsion engines proposed
-- G.95 merged with West German VAK 191B project**
-- ** VFW/Fiat 1262 is different (formerly Fw 1262)
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,851.0.html
G.96 - (Project) 1960 alt. desig. for Fiat G.95/6 variant
- G.96: Desig. acknowledges diff. from earlier G.95 concepts
- G.96: Mach 2, nuclear penetrator
G.97 - (??) ...
G.1 - (Project) 1931 idro
- G.1: No other details
G.2 - 1932 trimotor feederliner, x 1 (c/n 1)*
- G.2: 6 pax low-wing monoplane, span 18.01 m
- G.2 : All-metal const., spatted main u/c
- G.2/1: 3 x 135 hp Fiat A.60 inverted 4-cyl.
-- * I-FIAT (ALI),** PP-VAM (Varig), PP-LAH
-- ** ALI, Fiat's own Avio Linee Italiane
- G.2/2: (Project) 120 hp Alfa Romeo 101-I 4-cyl
- G.2/3: (Project) 120 hp DH Gispy Major 4-cyl
- G.2/4: (Project) 140 hp Fiat A.54 7-cyl. radial
G.3 - (Project) 1931 trimotor transport
- G.3: 12 x pax or mail + 4 pax
- G.3: 3 x Fiat A.55, span ?? m
G.4 - (Project) 1932 2-seat fighter
- G.4: 1 x 720 hp Fiat A.26R, span ?? m
G.5 - 1933 2-seat* aerobatic trainer, x 37
- G.5: Low-wing monoplane, wooden wing
-- * Potential single- or 3-seat vers.
- G.5 : Prototypes MM.212/MM.213, x 2
- G.5 : 1 x 140 hp Fiat A.54 radial*
-- Often mis-listed as '135 hp A.70'
- G.5/2: 1933, 1 x 140 hp Fiat A.60, x 1
- G.5bis: 1933 prod. vers., more power
- G.5bis: 1 x 200 hp Fiat A.70 7-cyl.
-- G.5bis: Optional Fiat A.54 or A.60
-- aka CMASA G.5, Aeronautica d'Italia G.5
-- Aeronautica d'Italia built prototypes
-- CMASA built production model G.5bis
-- https://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/8/8/6/15862_rd.jpg
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/FiatCMASAG5.html
G.6 - (Project) 1931 idro racer
- G.6: 1 x Fiat A.56, span ?? m
G.7 - (Project) 1933 trimotor transport
- G.7: 20 pax
- G.7: 3 x Fiat A.58, span ?? m
G.8 - 1934 2-seat military biplane trainer, x 61
- G.8: Tandem 2-seat, Warren truss wing bracing
- G.8: 1 x 135 hp Fiat A.54 7-cyl, span 8.76 m
- G.8: Opt'l A.70, later used for communications
G.9 - (Project) 1938 high-altitude 3-seater
- G.9: 2 x Fiat A.80 RC100
G.10 - (??)
G.11 - (Project) 1933 2-seat light aircraft
- G.11: 1 x (??) hp (??), span ?? m
G.12 - 1940 low-wing trimotor transport, x 104
- G.12 : 3 x 800 hp Fiat A.74 RC42, span 26.80 m
- G.12C : (Civile) 1940 14 pax transport
- G.12C : 3 x 750 hp Alfa-Romeo A.126 RC34
-- G.12C: For Linee Aeree Transcontinental Italiane
- G.12CR: (Project) 1939 short-range, 14 pax
- G.12Tr: (Project) 1940 short-range troop/cargo
- G.12Tr: (Trasporto) aka Fiat G.12T, x 12
-- G.12Tr: Seating up to 30 troops (+10 on floor)
- G.12Tp: (Project) 1941-42 24 x paratroop transp.
-- G.12Tp: Lanciani turret, ventral cargo hold
- G.12TpB: (Project) 1942 transport/night bomber
-- G.12TpB: With 1,690 kg bombs or paratroopers
- G.12TB: (Project) 1942 night bomber, canc.*
-- * 30 x G.12TB ordered, metal cut, then canc.
- G.12GA : (Grande Autonomia) transport, x 3
-- G.12GA: Long-range type w/ extra fuel tanks
- G.12Tr-GA: Civil G.12GA conver. to long-range
-- G.12Tr-GA listed by Airwar.ru (as G.12TR-GA)
- G.12LGA: 1942 troop transport/LATI cargo
- G.12LGA: ('A' for Alfa) 3 x 750 hp A.126 RC34
- G.12 Gondar: 1941 long-range cargo carrier
-- G.12 Gondar: Added fuel, no armament
- G.12RT: (Roma-Tokyo) 1942 Rome-Tokyo transp., x 1
- G.12RT: 3 x 860 hp A.128 RC14, span 26.80 m
- G.12RTbis: 1943 Rome-Tokyo transport, x 1
- G.12RTbis: 3 x A.128 RC14, span 26.80 m
- G.12 (Egeo): (Project) 7 pax + 1.3 t*
-- * Specifically for RA's Aegean Sea routes
- G.12S : (Project) Armed VIP transp., 4 pax
-- G.12S: Lanciani turret, 2 x flex.-mount guns
- G.12TA: (Project) 1945 troop/cargo transport
- G.12TA: 3 x A.128 RC14, span 26.80 m
- G.12CA: 1945 18 pax transport, 3 x A.128 RC14
- G.12L : 1946 12 pax transport, 3 x A.74 RC42
-- G.12L: 'L' sub-types had extended fuselages
- G.12LA: 1948 16-22 pax transport, 3 x A.128 RC14
- G.12LB: 1947 16-22 pax transp., Pegasus 48s
-- G.12LB: ('B' for Bristol) 3 x 810 hp Pegasus 48s
- G.12LP: 1947 16-22 pax transport, 3 x R-1830-S1C3-G
-- G.12LP: ('P' for Pratt & Whitney) Twin Wasps
- G.12AV: 1950 Aula Volante trainer, 3 x A.128 RC14
-- 'AV' for Aula Volante ('Flying Classroom')
G.13 - G.17 - (??)
G.18 - 1935 2-engined transport monoplane, x 9
- G.18 : DC-2 clone for Fiat's airline, ALI
- G.18 : 1935 3 + 18 pax airliner/transport
- G.18 : 2 x 700 hp Fiat A.59R,* span 25.00 m
- G.18: 3 x prototypes, seen as underpowered
-- * Licence-built US P&W R-1690 Hornet
- G.18V: Veloce, 1937 high-speed development
- G.18V: 2 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.80 RC41 18-cyl.
- G.18bis: (Project) 1938 12-pax trimotor
- G.18bis: 3 x Fiat A.74 RC, span 25.00 m
G.19 - (??) Common typo for G.91 'Gina'
G.20 - (Project) 1945 2+6 pax trimotor transport
- G.20 : 3 x 130 hp Alfa Romeo 110, span ?? m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg291778.html#msg291778
G.21 - (Project) 1933 8 pax trimotor transport
- G.21 : 3 x 130 hp Fiat A.58 radials, span ?? m
G.22 - (Project) 1945 6 pax 2-engined transport*
- G.22 : 2 x 195 hp Alfa-Romeo 115 L6, span ?? m
- G.22B: 2 x 380 hp Alfa-Romeo 121 V-8, span ?? m
- G.22bis: 2 x Alfa-Romeo 115, span ?? m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg291778.html#msg291778
G.23 - (??)
G.24 - (Project) 1945 10 pax 2-engined transport
- G.24 : 2 x 380 hp Alfa-Romeo 121 V-8, span ?? m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg291778.html#msg291778
G.25 - (??)
G.26 - (Project) 1945 10 pax 2-engined transport
- G.26 : Low-winged, retract. u/c, single tail
- G.26 : 2 x I-F Delta RC40-I, span 17.90 m
- G.26A: 2 x 1,050 hp Alvis Leonides, span 17.90 m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg292055.html#msg292055
G.27 - (??)
G.28 - (Project) 1947 trainer and transport
- G.28 : 2 x I-F Delta RC40-I, span ?? m
- G.218 : Poss. G.28 refined for 'il concorso'
G.29 - (??) Seen as a Wiki typo for G.49
G.30 - (Project) 1937 30 pax civil transport
- G.30 : 4 x Fiat A.74 or A.82, span 31.70 m
- G.30B: Bomber deriv.,* 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42
-- * Submitted for 1938 concorso BGR
-- Exceeded BGR's allowable max. speed!
-- Progettazione e produttività dell'industria aeronautica italiana dalle origini al 1943, pp.91-92
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,236.msg293172.html#msg293172
- G.30S: Mil. transport, 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42
G.31 - (Project) 1940 16 pax civil transport
- G.31 : 2 x 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42, span ?? m
-- NB: G.31 also desig. of 1966 Fiat show car
G.32 - G.35 (??)
G.36 - (Project) 1936 36 pax idro civil transport
- G.36 : 2 x 4 x Fiat A.82 RC42, span ?? m
-- NB: 'G.36' also seen as a typo for G.46
G.37 - G.39 (??)
G.40 - (Project) 1946 2-seat trainer/tourer
- G.40: 1 x CNA D.4-I, span ?? m
G.41 - (Project) 1946 2-seat general aviation
- G.41: 1 x Continental 75, span ?? m
-- Same as G.40 project other than engine
G.42 - (Project) 1946 2-seat general aviation
- G.42: 1 x Alfa-Romeo 115 bis, span ?? m
-- Same as G.40 & G.41 other than engine
G.43 - Designation number not assigned
G.44 - (Project) 1946 3-seat general av tourer
- G.44: Similar to built 2-seat G.46-1 trainer
- G.44: 1 x Alfa-Romeo AR.115 bis, span ?? m
G.45 - Designation number not assigned
G.46 - 1947 2-seat mil. trainer, span 10.40 m, x 223
- G.46 : (Project) 1946 2-seat G.44 derivative
- G.46-1: 1947 2-seater, 1 x 195 hp Alfa-Romeo 115 bis
-- G.46-1 loses AMI trainer comp. to SAI Ambrosini S.7
- G.46 bis: (Project) 1 x DH Gipsy Queen 70
- G.46-2 : 1948, 1 x 250 hp DH Gipsy Queen 30
- G.46-2B: 1948, For Argentina, 1 x 7.7 mm Breda mg*
-- 70 built for Argentina + 12 for Syria
- G.46-3A: 1949 single-seater, 1 x Alfa-Romeo 115 ter
- G.46-3B: 1948 2-seater, 1 x 225 hp A-R 115 ter
- G.46-4A: 1949 single-seater, 1 x 215 hp A-R 115 ter
- G.46-4B: 1951 2-seater, 1 x 215 hp A-R115 ter ed.1950
- G.46-5A: (??) 1 x claimed modern single-seater conv.
- G.46-5B: 1951 2-seater, 1 x Alfa-Romeo 115 ter*
-- * 1 x prototype, operated as nav/instrument trainer
- G.46-6A: 1949 single-seater, 1 x DH Gipsy Queen 30
G.47 - (Project) 1947 2-seat trainer, G.46 devel.
- G.47: 1 x Pratt & Whitney R-985 Wasp Junior
-- Similar to G.46 other than engine instal.
G.48 - 1948 military trainer, G.55 deriv.,* x 2
- G.48A: single-seater, 1 x I-F Delta RC40-I
-- G.48A: Fiat G.55AD (qv) re-designated
- G.48B: 2-seat trainer, 1 x I-F Delta RC40-I
-- G.48B: Fiat G.55BD (qv) re-designated
-- Prototypes of both G.48A and G.48B built
-- * Alternatively viewed as higher-powered G.46**
-- ** As per L'Ala, Anno V, n.17-19, p.10
G.49 - 1952 2-seat military trainer, span 13.00 m, x 3
- G.49-1: 1953, 1 x 570 hp Alvis Leonides 502/4
-- http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/g49/g49-1.jpg
- G.49-2: 1952, 1 x 610 hp P&W R-1340-S3H1 Wasp
-- http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/g49/g49-6.jpg
-- In comp. w/ Piaggio P.150 & Macchi MB.323
G.50 - 1937 Freccia monoplane fighter, x ??
- G.50: Single-seater for Caccia (Intercettori)
- G.50 : 1937, 1 x Fiat A.74 RC38 radial, span 10.96 m
-- G.50: Orig. vers. fitted with full cockpit canopy
- G.50bis: 1940 vers., refined fuselage/tail
- G.50bis: 1 x Fiat A.74 RC38, span 10.96 m
- G.50bis/A: 1942 exper. 2-seat naval carrier a/c
-- G.50bis/A: Based on G.50B airframe (below)
- G.50B: 1940 unarmed 2-seater, 1 x Fiat A.74 RC38
-- G.50B trainer devel. by CMASA of Marina di Pisa
- G.50B ric: (Project) 1941 reconnaissance a/c
-- G.50B ric or G.50 ric (ricognizione)
-- NB: On G.50 ric 1- or -2-seater, sources vary
-- Reggiane Re.2003 prefered to G.50/G.50Bric
- G.50ter: 1941 improv. vers., Fiat A.76 RC40S
- G.50V: 1941 exper. fighter, 1 x DB 601A-1*
-- Production G.50 envisioned with DB 601N
-- G.50V conv. devel. by CMASA of Marina di Pisa
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22333.0/all.html
G.51 - (Project) 1941 G.50 devel., several types
- G.51: Single-seat fighter, 1 x Fiat A.75 RC53*
-- * A.75 RC53 was a 1940-41 Fiat A.74 RC42 deriv.
- G.51bis: Twin-boomed, G.50-based fighter
- G.51bis: 2 x Fiat A.74 RC.42s, span 10.96 m
-- "G.51 bis caccia bimotore-(progetto)"
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3465.0/all.html
G.52 - Desig. not assigned (some sources) or ...
G.52 - (Project) 1938 single-seat monoplane fighter
- G.52: Winner of Caccia I (Intercettori)*
-- * With the similarly A.76-powered Macchi C.201
- G.52: 1 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.76 RC38,** span 10.96 m
-- ** Also shown with 1,000 hp Fiat A.74 RC40
-- ** Planned alt. 1,550 hp A.83 RC.24-52 Vortice
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aeronautica-ditalia-fiat-g-52.2425/
G.53 - (Project) 1941-1942, 2 distinct developments
- G.53: (I) (Project) 1941, single-seat fighter a/c
- G.53: (I) 1 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.76 RC40, span 10.96 m
- G.53: (II) (Project) 1942, 2-seat fast recce a/c
- G.53: (II) DB 601-powered G.50B ric devel.
- G.53: (II) 1 x Daimler Benz DB 601A as per G.50V
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3465.msg27611.html#msg27611
G.54 - Number not assigned
- G.54: hesham mentions poss compet. to Re.2004
G.55 - 1942 Centauro single-seat low-wing fighter
- G.55: Highly-refined G.50V with DB 605/Tifone
- G.55: (Project) July 1939, upright Fiat A.38 V-12
-- G.55: July 1939, tubular mono-spar wing design
- G.55: (Project) March 1940, inverted A.38 IV-12
-- G.55: March 1940, conv. spar wings, contra-props
- G.55: (Project) May 1941, Fiat A.38 RC15-45
-- G.55: May 1941, 3-blade repl. 2-blade contras
- G.55F: Desig. sometimes applied to A.38 concepts
- G.55: (Project) Sept 1941, German DB 605A engine
-- G.55: Sept 1941, still retains G.50V features*
-- * Sliding cockpit canopy & undernose oil cooler
- G.55 : Prototype (MM ) firs flew 30 April 1942
- G.55/0 : 1942 prod'n model, 1 x 20mm, 4 x 12.7 mm
- G.55/I : 1943 prod'n model, 3 x 20mm, 2 x 12.7 mm
- G.55/II: 1944 prototype, 5 x 20 mm MG 151/20 guns
- G.55S : (Project) 'silurotto' torpedo-fighter*
-- * Reduced-length 3.38 m Whitehead Fiume torpedo
-- Orig. G.55S dropped in favour of Fiat G.57 (qv)
- G.55S : (Silurante) 1944 torpedo-fighter conv'n
-- Twin radiators, full-length (5.46 m) torpedo
- G.55Z : (Project) 1941-42, 1 x I-F Zeta RC40 X-24
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12228.0
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2480.msg20663.html#msg20663
- G.55 bimotore: (Project) 1942 Bifusoliera devel.
- G.55A : 1946, postwar trainer prod'n/rebuilds**
-- ** 1st G.55A was G.55S conv. back to serie I
- G.55B : 1946 prod'n Tifone-powered 2-seat trainer
- G.55AD: 1948 I-F Delta-powered military trainer
-- G.55AD single-seater re-desig. G.48A before flight
- G.55BD: 1948 I-F Delta-powered military trainer
-- G.55BD 2-seat trainer re-desig. G.48A before flight
- G.55AP: Conv. to Packard V-1650-7, x 1, not flown***
-- *** Actually G.59 airframe converted, aka G.61 (qv)
- G.55BP: (Project) 2-seat V-1650-7, not built, aka G.61B
G.56 - 1944 serie 6 fighter, G.55 devel., x 1
- G.56: 1 x 1,750 hp Daimler Benz DB 603A engine*
-- G.56: Prototype conv. from G.55/I airframe
-- * Planned to licence DB 603A to Alfa Romeo
G.57 - (Project) 1943 radial-engined G.55 deriv.
- G.57: Multi-purpose fighter andtorpedo bomber*
-- * G.57 eclipsed 1st G.55S concept in planning
- G.57: 1 x 1,550 hp A.83 RC.24-52B Vortice**
-- ** Some sources say 1,475 hp for Vortice
-- ** Others say 1,200 hp Fiat A.80 RC.20 radial
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18767.msg285804.html#msg285804
G.58 - (Project) 1943 single-seat fighter
- G.58: 1 x Daimler Benz DB 605/Tifone or
G.58 - (Project) 1943* twin-engined combat a/c**
- G.58: Single-seat 'twin G.55' heavy fighter
- G.58: 2 x G.55 fuselages, new centre section
- G.58: 2 x 1,450 hp DB 605A engines, span 15.52m
-- Armament: 6 x 20 mm MG 151 + 4 x 12.7 mm mgs
-- * Apr. 1943 submitted to Min. dell Aeronautica
-- * July 1943 wind tunnel shows tail mod. needed
-- ** Gianni Ludi: "Bimotore da combattimento"
-- http://www.egamers.it/contest/foto/italianplanes/g55series/Fiat G58.png
G.59 - 1948 trainer,* Merlin-powered G.55 deriv.
- G.59 : 1948 trainer, 1 x Packard Merlin T.24-2
-- * In practice, in theory single-seat was a fighter
- G.59-1A: 1949 Single-seat fighter/trainer, aka G.55AM
-- Armament: 4 x 12.7 mm M2 or 2 x M2 + 2 x 20 mm HS 404
- G.59-1B: 1948 2-seat-seat military trainer, aka G.55BM
- G.59-2 : Redesig. G.60A with R-R Merlin 500-20
- G.59-2A: 1950 single-seat military fighter/trainer
- G.59-2B: 1950 tandem 2-seat-seat military trainer
- G.59-3A: 1951 single-seat military fighter/trainer
- G.59-4A: 1951 single-seat, sliding bubble canopy
-- Armament: 4 x 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Mk II cannons
- G.59-4B: 1951 2-seat trainer, clear-view canopies
- G.59D : (Project) 1954 turboprop 2-seat exper. a/c
-- G.59D: aka G.59/Dart, to be conv. from G.49-4B
-- G.59D: 1 x Rolls-Royce Dart 505 turboprop
G.60 - (Project) 1947 trainer, Merlin-powered G.55
- G.60A: 1947 1-seater, 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 66
- G.60B: 1947 2-seater, 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 66
-- Merlin 66-powered G,60 eclipsed by Packard G.61
G.61 - (Project) 1948 trainer, Merlin-powered G.55
- G.61A: G.59 conv. to Packard V-1650-7, not flown, x 1
-- G.61A conversion aka G.55AP ('P' for Packard)
-- *** Actually airframe converted, aka G.61 (qv)
- G.61A: 1948 1-seater, 1 x Packard V-1650/7 Merlin
-- Armament: 2 x 12.7 mgs + 2 x 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Mk II
- G.61B: 1948 2-seater, 1 x Packard V-1650/7 Merlin
-- NB: G.61 had lengthened radiator bath & small dorsal fin
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12179.msg292767.html#msg292767
G.80 – 1951 2-seat advanced jet trainer
- G.80 : 1 x DH Goblin 35,* span 10.97 m
- G.80-1 : 1949 design, advanced trainer
- G.80-1B: Prototype c/n 1, flew 09 Dec 1951
- G.80-2 : (??)
- G.80-3 : 1952 design, pre-produnction a/c
- G.80-3B: 1954 prototype c/n 2, CAS/tac-recce
-- c/n 2 preserved at Vigna di Valle
-- * License-built as Fiat Model 4001
G.81 – 1950 Ghost-powered G.80 development
- G.81: (Project) 1950, DH Ghost turbojet*
-- * License-built as Fiat Model 4000
-- NB: G.81: (As built) 1954, R-R Nene turbojet
G.82 – 1954 Nene-powered G.80 devel. x 5
- G.82: 2-seat military trainer, alter. engine
- G.82: 1 x R-R Nene turbojet, span 11.81 m
- G.82: (Project) All-weather fighter variant
G.83 - (??)
G.84 – 1953 Allison J35-powered G.80 development
- G.84: 2-seat trainer for all-weather fighters
- G.82: 1 x R-R Nene turbojet, span 36'
-- Aband. in favour of T-33 for AMI (and NATO)
- G.82: (Project) CAS and tac-recce variant
G.85 - G.89 - (??)
G.90 - 1952* 2-seat twin-jet advanced trainer
- G.90: 2 x Turbomeca Marboré II turbojets
-- Some source list 1956/1957 as G.90 devel. time
G.91 – fighter-bomber/1956, 5,000 lbf Orpheus 803, span 8.56 m
-- 1 x R-R Orpheus, 1 x Adour Mk. 106, or 2 x GE J85
- G.91 : (Project) 1954, 1 x Rolls-Royce Nene turbojet
- G.91 : Prod'n vers., Orpheus 801/803, 4 prototypes + 27
- G.91A : STOL devel., greater wing area & LE slats, x 1
- G.91BS : (Project) Battlefield surveillance G.91T variant
-- G.91BS/1: Single-seat, impr. avionics & photog. equip't
-- G.91BS/2: Tandem 2-seat development of the G.91BS/1
- G.91E: (Project) G.91Y (qv) upgrade for AMI
-- G.91E: Part of Study 3-1x G.91Y upgrade series
- G.91N : (I) Pre-prod. airframe mod. for nav. equipment (1959?)
- G.91N : (II) Norw. mod., R-R/Turbomeca Adour Mk. 106*
-- * Based on G.91R/4 & 'R/5 but role changed to recce/strike
- G.91PAN: Aerobatic vers. for Frecce Tricolori team
- G.91R PAN: G.91R conv. to make up for losses, x 1
- G.91R/1A PAN: G.91R/1A conv. to make up losses, x 4
- G.91S : (Project) 1957 for Swiss, 1 x Orpheus BOr.12*
-- * 6,800 lbf dry, ultimately Fiat 4032 axial turbojet
-- G.91S: Sweep-back incr. to 38°, max. speed Mach 0.94
- G.91R: Single-seat strike/recce fighter, Orpheus 803
- G.91R: G.91 conv. to photo-recce role, 4 x conv.
- G.91R/1: 1958, photo-recce camera nose, AMI x 26*
-- G.91R/1: 3 x Vinten cameras, 4 x 12.7 mm mgs
-- * Figure 26 very likely incl. 4 x G.91R conv'ns
- G.91R/1A: 'R/1 w/ refined avionics, AMI x 25
- G.91R/1B: Strengthened airframe 'R/1, AMI x 50
-- G.91R/1B: Impr. brakes, tires, & instruments
- G.91R/2 : (Project) French vers., not pursued
- G.91R/3 : 1960, Luftwaffe 'R/1 deriv., x 344
-- G.91R/3: Impr. instr., 2 x 30 mm, 4 pylons
- G.91R/3SATS: Luftwaffe JATO/arrestor hook mod., x 1
- G.91R/4 : 1961, Turkish & Greek 'R/1 variant **
-- G.91R/4: 'R/1 gun armament, 'R/3 wing pylons
-- ** Deliv. canc., redirected to Norway & Portugal
- G.91R/5: (Project) 1962 Norw. long-range vers.
-- Norway received built G.91R/4s instead of G.91R/5s
- G.91R/6: (Project) Reinforced u/c, Doppler nav system
- G.91RS : (Project) G.91S variant w/ Orpheus BOr.15
- G.91T : 2-seat operational trainer, Orpheus 803
- G.91 : 1960 prototypes, x 2 for AMI
- G.91T/1: 2-seat strike trainer, 101 x AMI
- G.91T/2: (Project) French vers., not pursued
- G.91T/3: Trainer for Luftwaffe, x 22 + 44
-- G.91T/3: 2 x 12.7 mm, Fiat x 22, German x 44
- G.91T/4: (Project) NASARR radar-equipped vers.
-- G.91T/4 intended as trainers for AMI F-104s
- G.91TS: (Project) 1963 twin-engine supersonic
-- G.91TS: 2-seat advanced-trainer/combat a/c
-- G.91TS: Stretched fuselage, wide-chord wings
-- G.91TS: 2 x Rolls-Royce RB.153 turbojets
-- NB: Realistically, G.91TS was new a/c***
-- *** G.91TS led indirectly to G.91Y (below)
- G.91Y : 1966 twin-engined G.91 devel., x 69
- G.91Y : Single-seat strike/long-range recce
- G.91Y : 2 x GE J85-GE-13A, span 9.01 m
- G.91YR: (Project) 1961 devel., 2 x P&W JT12
-- G.91YR: Eclipsed by the GE J85-powered G.91Y
- G.91YT: (Project) 1961 G.91YR 2-seat trainer
- G.91YS: 1971 Swiss Venom repl. submission, c/n 2023
-- https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1971/1971 - 1008.html
- G.91Y-2: (Project) Close-support derivative
-- G.91Y-2: Part of Study 3-1x 'Y upgrade series
- G.91 STOL: (Project) See G.95 (below)
- G.291 : (Project) Part of Study 3-1x upgrade series
G.92 - (??)
G.93 - (Project) 1959 more powerful evol. of G.91S
- G.93 : 1 x Bristol Orpheus BOr.12 turbojet*
-- * 30.3 kN dry thrust, 36.34 kN with afterburner
G.94 : (??)
G.95 – (Project) 1960 multi-engine V/STOL strike fighter
- G.95 : Various layout/engine types to meet NBMR-3
- G.95 : Initial plan, V/STOL G.91 devel. for NBMR-3
- G.95: Horiz. liftjets/rear vectoring thrust nozzles
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,851.msg8056.html#msg8056
- G.95/1: (??) Poss. same as G.95/G.91 STOL
- G.95/2: (??)
- G.95/3: Single-seat V/STOL strike fighter, T-tail
-- G.95/3: 4 x RB.108 liftjets (in fore & aft pairs)
-- G.95/3: Twin sustainer jet pipes through wings
- G.95/4: VTOL tactical close-support aircraft
-- G.95/4: 4 x liftjets plus 2 x sustainer jets
-- G.95/4: Centre-grouped liftjets, rear sustainers
-- RB.162/31 liftjets, R-R/MAN RB.153/61 sustainers
-- RB.162/31 liftjets, 2 x 3,850 lbf GE J85 jets
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3466.msg27517.html#msg27517
- G.95/4A: Dedicated photo-reconnaissance variant
- G.95/5: (??)
- G.95/6: Mach 2 VTOL fighter-bomber/recce a/c
-- 6 x RB.162/31 liftjets, 2 x RB.153/61 sustainers*
-- G.95/6: 3 x fwd/3 x aft liftjets, rear sustainers
-- * G.95/6 RB.153/61 sustainers were afterburning
-- * Various sustainer propulsion engines proposed
-- G.95 merged with West German VAK 191B project**
-- ** VFW/Fiat 1262 is different (formerly Fw 1262)
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,851.0.html
G.96 - (Project) 1960 alt. desig. for Fiat G.95/6 variant
- G.96: Desig. acknowledges diff. from earlier G.95 concepts
- G.96: Mach 2, nuclear penetrator
G.97 - (??) ...
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Out-of-Sequence Gabrielli 'G' Designations
Here are listed four out-of-sequence postwar Gabrielli designations - the G.212 trimotor transport, the unbuilt twin-engined G.218 transport project, the well-known G.222 tactical transport, and the unbuilt G.291 - a G.91Y upgrade study.
The designations of the postwar G.212 and unbuilt G.218 project obviously relate to their prewar predecessors. Conceptually, at least, the G.212 was a further development of the 1940 G.12 trimotor (there is a strong resemblance although, apparently, there was no actual commonality). The G.218 project is more of a reach. Like the 1935 G.18, the 1948 G.218 project was for a twin-engined transport. But the similarities pretty much end there.
In the case of the G.222, the number is reputed to based on '2' for the two turboprop engines and '22' from its original NBMR 22 requirement. That makes sense. Certainly there was no connection whatever between the post war tactical transport and its 'numbersake' - the unbuilt 1945 G.22 project for a 2-engined utility transport.
The unbuilt G.291 attack aircraft project - part of a series of G.91Y upgrade studies - is just another of those add-a-2 designations. That too made sense. Many of the proposed G.91 derivatives stretched credibility by retaining that designation. The G.91Y, for example, had little of the original, single-engined aircraft left in its airframe. There would have been virtually no commonality between the built 'Ginas' and the proposed twin-engine G.91TS supersonic trainer. Likely that would also have been true of the G.91E - another G.91Y upgrade project related to the G.291.
G.212 - 1947 trimotor passenger/cargo transport, x 19-26
- G.212: Updated and enlarged devel. of prewar Fiat G.12
- G.212: 3 x radial engines (two types), span 29.34 m
- G.212CA: (Civile, Alfa) 3 x 860 hp AR 128 RC18
- G.212CA: 30 pax (seated 3-abreast), 16,000 kg for T/O
- G.212CP: ('Pratt) 3 x 1,065 hp R-1830-S1C3-G radials
-- 1949 G.212CP was the main G.212 production variant
-- Comtempory sources sometimed listed as 'G.212 P.W.'
- G.212CP: 34 pax, aka C.212 Aeropullman Monterose
-- CP = Air Pullman (sleeping car) Monterosa/Matterhorn
- G.212TP: (Transporto, Pratt) 3 x R-1830-S1C3-G
- G.212TP: Cargo vers., aka C.212 Aviocargo Monviso
-- TP = Aircargo Monviso (Monte Viso in the Cottian Alps)
-- G.212TP cargo carrier built as single prototype
- G.212AV: (Aula Volante) 1949 AMI crew trainer vers.
-- G.212AV: 3 x 1,065 hp P&W R-1830-S1C3-G radials
G.218 - (Project) 1948 multipurpose military a/c and airliner
- G.218 : Submission for 1948 'il famoso concorso' contest*
- G.218 : 2 x I-F Delta III serie IV-12s
-- * Won by Santangelo Orsa & Caproni Ca-191, no orders
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9610.msg88225.html#msg88225
- G.218 : (Project) 1946 short-to-medium range airliner
-- G.218 : 2 x Bristol Hercules 730 radials, span 29.33 m
-- To Ministero dell'Aeronautica airliner competition
- G.218 : (Project) 194(?) twin-engined commercial a/c
- G.218 : 24-32 pax devel., 2 x 1,675 hp P&W R-2180E-12
-- Revista de Aeronautica,** número 102, Mayo 1949, pg 376
-- ** Spanish Ministerio del Aire publication
G.222 - 1962 military tactical transport aircraft, x 52
- G.222: (Project) VTOL, then CTOL tactical transport
- G.222: Orig. concept, twin-boomed, 8 or 12 liftjets
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-g-222-v-stol-airlifter.3466/#post-27621
- G.222 Cervino: VTOL tactical transp, for NBMR.22
- G.222: VTOL phase, R-R turboprops + nacelle liftjets
-- G.222 Cervino: (1962) 4 x liftjet per side*
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-g-222-v-stol-airlifter.3466/
-- * (Mis?)listed as 8 x 4,409 lbf RB.162-1s, typo?
-- G.222 Cervino: (1964) 4 x liftjet per side
-- G.222 Cervino: (1965) 6 x liftjet per side
-- 2 x R-R Dart RDa.10s** + 6 x R-R RB.162-31
-- ** 3,030 shp RDa.10 or military 3,245 shp RDa.12s
-- NB: Cervino from Monte Cervino (Matterhorn)
-- VTOL: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3466.0.html
- G.222: (Project) CTOL, 2 x turboprops, no liftjets
-- G.222: (1965) Mil/civil transport, 2 x turboprops
-- Civil G.222: Airstairs entry in place of rear ramp
-- 2 x 3,245 shp RDa.12s or ?? shp RDa.25s
-- G.222: (1965) ASW, weapons (sonobuoys?) in nacelles
-- ASW radome in place of rear ramp, raise cabin floors
-- https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1965/1965 - 2816.html
-- December 1965 the decision was taken to adopt two 3.060 hp General Electric T-64-14
- G.222 prototypes: 1970, unpressurized fuselages, x 2
-- Prototypes: 2 x 2,970 shp GE CT64-820-2, span 28.70 m
- G.222TCM: AMI std. cargo transport desig., x 42
- G.222TCM: TCM = Trasporto Convenzionale Militare
-- 2 x 3,400 shp Fiat-built GE T64/P4D turboprops [1]
- G.222RM : Radio Misur 1980 nav aid inspection, x 4
-- Or Radiomisur, or Radiumissura (Radar Measures)
-- Radio nav aids calibration/control, crew 3+6-7 operators
-- Visually distinguished by small undernose antenna
-- Autovetture da Ricognizione carried internally
- G.222VS : Versione Speciale 1981 ECM vers., x 2
-- Electronic Countermeasures vers., crew 3+10 operators
-- Visually dist. by antennae under nose & fin top
-- Prototype conv. by Elettronica, c/n 4012, MM62107
-- aka G.222SV (Special Version)
-- aka G-222SIGI (Signal Intelligence)
-- aka G.222GE (Guerra Elettronica)
-- aka G-222ECM (Electronic Counter-Measures)
- G.222 PROCIV (Protezione Civile/Civil Protection), x 5
- G.222 PROCIV: For 15° Stormo/46° Centro Protezione Civile
-- 1982: G.222 PROCIV conv. into 5 x firefighting G.222SAA
- G.222SAA: Fire-fighting, 1976, 6,300 L retardant*
-- SAA = Sistema Aeronáutico Antiincendio, x 5
-- aka G.222 Antiincendio, generic descriptive term
-- aka G.222SAMA (actually a ref. to its tank system)
-- SAMA = Sistema Antincendio Modulare Aviotrasportato
-- * FMC MAFFS deriv. produced by Silvani Antincendio SpA
-- G.222-specific firefighting system = SAMA/SAA222
- G.222-28: (Project) Higher capability transport
- G.222-28: 2 x 4,154 shp Fiat/GE T64 turboprops
- G.222-28: 53 troops or 42 paras, MTOW 28,000 kg
-- 7 x Matricole Militari assigned, then re-assigned
- G.222T : Tyne, non-US equip. export vers, x 20
- G.222T: 1980, 2 x 4,924 shp R-R Tyne RTy 20 Mk 801
-- aka G.222L (for Libia), hot-and-high variant
- G.222ST: (Project) 'Stretched Tyne' variant
-- 1.5m rear-fuselage stretch was proposed for G.222T
- G.222 Quiveer: (Project) RPV carrier/launcher
- G.222 Quiveer: 6 x underwing Meteor RPVs*
-- * Meteor Mirach 100 recce/cruise missile drones
-- Quiveer devel. w/ Meteor** and Elettronica SpA
-- ** At the time, Aeritalia owned shares in Meteor SpA
- G.222 Pattugliamento Marittimo: (Project) MP vers.
-- 1978 maritime patrol variant, side bubble obs. windows
- G.222 Aerocisterna: (Project) IFR tanker variant
-- Palletised aerial refuelling system, 5,000 kg
-- 2 x separate G.222 aerial tanker development projects
- G.222 Commerciale Civile: (Project) Civil variant
-- Quick-change cargo/pax 'combi', 2.70 m fuselage stretch
- G.222 Allison: (Project) C-130B/'E-compat. export variant
- G.222 Allison: 2 x 4,050 shp T56-A-7A turboprop engines
-- Canc. due to Allison instal. difficulties on the G.222
- G-222 Protex: 1983 demonstrator with onboard APU, x 1
-- Related to AC proposal for perishable mat'l transport
- G-222 HSP: (Project) Containerized mobile field hospital
-- 2 x modules per a/c, APU to power deployed MFH on ground
-- HSP = Health Service Program (Servizio Sanitario)
-- Concept dev. w/ Sclavo SpA division of EniChimica SpA
- G.222 Sprayer: Marine pollution dispersant vers.
-- Spray nozzles mounted beneath wings and horiz. tail
-- To Aeritalia: Versione Antinquinamento*
-- * G222 Sprayer Anti-pollution Version
- G.222 Aerofotogrammetria (Project) photo-recce
-- Aerial photo vers. (as repl for AMI Piaggio P.166 DL3 APH?)
- G.222AV: (Project) Aula Volante nav trainer
- G.222AV: 'Flying classroom' for navigation training
- G.222 'Mini AWACS': (Project) with dorsal roto-dome
- G.222 'Mini AWACS': Model shown as Antinave vers.
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aeritalia-g-222-as-awacs.9617/#post-88233
- G.222 Antinave: Missile-armed anti-shipping vers.
- G.222 Antinave: Italo-French OTOMAT missiles
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aeritalia-g-222-as-awacs.9617/#post-88233
- G.222AAA: 2000 advanced avionics demonstrator
- G.222AAA: Alenia-owned prototype conv., MM62144
-- AAA = Avanzata Architettura Avionica
-- aka unofficially as G.222A³ using superscript
G.291 - (Project) G.91Y upgrade deriv. study
- G.291: 1973-74 G.91Y fuselage with new wing
-- Part of the Study 3-1x upgrade series
-- Ultimately, 3-1x study led to all-new AMX
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-aviazione-projects.31824/#post-351944
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[1] The G.222's T64/P4D engine was a hybrid combining an uprated Fiat-built gearbox (as per T64-GE-10 and CT64-GE-820 with the power section of the T64-GE-7/-413 turboshaft (as per CH-53 helicopter)
Here are listed four out-of-sequence postwar Gabrielli designations - the G.212 trimotor transport, the unbuilt twin-engined G.218 transport project, the well-known G.222 tactical transport, and the unbuilt G.291 - a G.91Y upgrade study.
The designations of the postwar G.212 and unbuilt G.218 project obviously relate to their prewar predecessors. Conceptually, at least, the G.212 was a further development of the 1940 G.12 trimotor (there is a strong resemblance although, apparently, there was no actual commonality). The G.218 project is more of a reach. Like the 1935 G.18, the 1948 G.218 project was for a twin-engined transport. But the similarities pretty much end there.
In the case of the G.222, the number is reputed to based on '2' for the two turboprop engines and '22' from its original NBMR 22 requirement. That makes sense. Certainly there was no connection whatever between the post war tactical transport and its 'numbersake' - the unbuilt 1945 G.22 project for a 2-engined utility transport.
The unbuilt G.291 attack aircraft project - part of a series of G.91Y upgrade studies - is just another of those add-a-2 designations. That too made sense. Many of the proposed G.91 derivatives stretched credibility by retaining that designation. The G.91Y, for example, had little of the original, single-engined aircraft left in its airframe. There would have been virtually no commonality between the built 'Ginas' and the proposed twin-engine G.91TS supersonic trainer. Likely that would also have been true of the G.91E - another G.91Y upgrade project related to the G.291.
G.212 - 1947 trimotor passenger/cargo transport, x 19-26
- G.212: Updated and enlarged devel. of prewar Fiat G.12
- G.212: 3 x radial engines (two types), span 29.34 m
- G.212CA: (Civile, Alfa) 3 x 860 hp AR 128 RC18
- G.212CA: 30 pax (seated 3-abreast), 16,000 kg for T/O
- G.212CP: ('Pratt) 3 x 1,065 hp R-1830-S1C3-G radials
-- 1949 G.212CP was the main G.212 production variant
-- Comtempory sources sometimed listed as 'G.212 P.W.'
- G.212CP: 34 pax, aka C.212 Aeropullman Monterose
-- CP = Air Pullman (sleeping car) Monterosa/Matterhorn
- G.212TP: (Transporto, Pratt) 3 x R-1830-S1C3-G
- G.212TP: Cargo vers., aka C.212 Aviocargo Monviso
-- TP = Aircargo Monviso (Monte Viso in the Cottian Alps)
-- G.212TP cargo carrier built as single prototype
- G.212AV: (Aula Volante) 1949 AMI crew trainer vers.
-- G.212AV: 3 x 1,065 hp P&W R-1830-S1C3-G radials
G.218 - (Project) 1948 multipurpose military a/c and airliner
- G.218 : Submission for 1948 'il famoso concorso' contest*
- G.218 : 2 x I-F Delta III serie IV-12s
-- * Won by Santangelo Orsa & Caproni Ca-191, no orders
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9610.msg88225.html#msg88225
- G.218 : (Project) 1946 short-to-medium range airliner
-- G.218 : 2 x Bristol Hercules 730 radials, span 29.33 m
-- To Ministero dell'Aeronautica airliner competition
- G.218 : (Project) 194(?) twin-engined commercial a/c
- G.218 : 24-32 pax devel., 2 x 1,675 hp P&W R-2180E-12
-- Revista de Aeronautica,** número 102, Mayo 1949, pg 376
-- ** Spanish Ministerio del Aire publication
G.222 - 1962 military tactical transport aircraft, x 52
- G.222: (Project) VTOL, then CTOL tactical transport
- G.222: Orig. concept, twin-boomed, 8 or 12 liftjets
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-g-222-v-stol-airlifter.3466/#post-27621
- G.222 Cervino: VTOL tactical transp, for NBMR.22
- G.222: VTOL phase, R-R turboprops + nacelle liftjets
-- G.222 Cervino: (1962) 4 x liftjet per side*
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-g-222-v-stol-airlifter.3466/
-- * (Mis?)listed as 8 x 4,409 lbf RB.162-1s, typo?
-- G.222 Cervino: (1964) 4 x liftjet per side
-- G.222 Cervino: (1965) 6 x liftjet per side
-- 2 x R-R Dart RDa.10s** + 6 x R-R RB.162-31
-- ** 3,030 shp RDa.10 or military 3,245 shp RDa.12s
-- NB: Cervino from Monte Cervino (Matterhorn)
-- VTOL: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3466.0.html
- G.222: (Project) CTOL, 2 x turboprops, no liftjets
-- G.222: (1965) Mil/civil transport, 2 x turboprops
-- Civil G.222: Airstairs entry in place of rear ramp
-- 2 x 3,245 shp RDa.12s or ?? shp RDa.25s
-- G.222: (1965) ASW, weapons (sonobuoys?) in nacelles
-- ASW radome in place of rear ramp, raise cabin floors
-- https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1965/1965 - 2816.html
-- December 1965 the decision was taken to adopt two 3.060 hp General Electric T-64-14
- G.222 prototypes: 1970, unpressurized fuselages, x 2
-- Prototypes: 2 x 2,970 shp GE CT64-820-2, span 28.70 m
- G.222TCM: AMI std. cargo transport desig., x 42
- G.222TCM: TCM = Trasporto Convenzionale Militare
-- 2 x 3,400 shp Fiat-built GE T64/P4D turboprops [1]
- G.222RM : Radio Misur 1980 nav aid inspection, x 4
-- Or Radiomisur, or Radiumissura (Radar Measures)
-- Radio nav aids calibration/control, crew 3+6-7 operators
-- Visually distinguished by small undernose antenna
-- Autovetture da Ricognizione carried internally
- G.222VS : Versione Speciale 1981 ECM vers., x 2
-- Electronic Countermeasures vers., crew 3+10 operators
-- Visually dist. by antennae under nose & fin top
-- Prototype conv. by Elettronica, c/n 4012, MM62107
-- aka G.222SV (Special Version)
-- aka G-222SIGI (Signal Intelligence)
-- aka G.222GE (Guerra Elettronica)
-- aka G-222ECM (Electronic Counter-Measures)
- G.222 PROCIV (Protezione Civile/Civil Protection), x 5
- G.222 PROCIV: For 15° Stormo/46° Centro Protezione Civile
-- 1982: G.222 PROCIV conv. into 5 x firefighting G.222SAA
- G.222SAA: Fire-fighting, 1976, 6,300 L retardant*
-- SAA = Sistema Aeronáutico Antiincendio, x 5
-- aka G.222 Antiincendio, generic descriptive term
-- aka G.222SAMA (actually a ref. to its tank system)
-- SAMA = Sistema Antincendio Modulare Aviotrasportato
-- * FMC MAFFS deriv. produced by Silvani Antincendio SpA
-- G.222-specific firefighting system = SAMA/SAA222
- G.222-28: (Project) Higher capability transport
- G.222-28: 2 x 4,154 shp Fiat/GE T64 turboprops
- G.222-28: 53 troops or 42 paras, MTOW 28,000 kg
-- 7 x Matricole Militari assigned, then re-assigned
- G.222T : Tyne, non-US equip. export vers, x 20
- G.222T: 1980, 2 x 4,924 shp R-R Tyne RTy 20 Mk 801
-- aka G.222L (for Libia), hot-and-high variant
- G.222ST: (Project) 'Stretched Tyne' variant
-- 1.5m rear-fuselage stretch was proposed for G.222T
- G.222 Quiveer: (Project) RPV carrier/launcher
- G.222 Quiveer: 6 x underwing Meteor RPVs*
-- * Meteor Mirach 100 recce/cruise missile drones
-- Quiveer devel. w/ Meteor** and Elettronica SpA
-- ** At the time, Aeritalia owned shares in Meteor SpA
- G.222 Pattugliamento Marittimo: (Project) MP vers.
-- 1978 maritime patrol variant, side bubble obs. windows
- G.222 Aerocisterna: (Project) IFR tanker variant
-- Palletised aerial refuelling system, 5,000 kg
-- 2 x separate G.222 aerial tanker development projects
- G.222 Commerciale Civile: (Project) Civil variant
-- Quick-change cargo/pax 'combi', 2.70 m fuselage stretch
- G.222 Allison: (Project) C-130B/'E-compat. export variant
- G.222 Allison: 2 x 4,050 shp T56-A-7A turboprop engines
-- Canc. due to Allison instal. difficulties on the G.222
- G-222 Protex: 1983 demonstrator with onboard APU, x 1
-- Related to AC proposal for perishable mat'l transport
- G-222 HSP: (Project) Containerized mobile field hospital
-- 2 x modules per a/c, APU to power deployed MFH on ground
-- HSP = Health Service Program (Servizio Sanitario)
-- Concept dev. w/ Sclavo SpA division of EniChimica SpA
- G.222 Sprayer: Marine pollution dispersant vers.
-- Spray nozzles mounted beneath wings and horiz. tail
-- To Aeritalia: Versione Antinquinamento*
-- * G222 Sprayer Anti-pollution Version
- G.222 Aerofotogrammetria (Project) photo-recce
-- Aerial photo vers. (as repl for AMI Piaggio P.166 DL3 APH?)
- G.222AV: (Project) Aula Volante nav trainer
- G.222AV: 'Flying classroom' for navigation training
- G.222 'Mini AWACS': (Project) with dorsal roto-dome
- G.222 'Mini AWACS': Model shown as Antinave vers.
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aeritalia-g-222-as-awacs.9617/#post-88233
- G.222 Antinave: Missile-armed anti-shipping vers.
- G.222 Antinave: Italo-French OTOMAT missiles
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aeritalia-g-222-as-awacs.9617/#post-88233
- G.222AAA: 2000 advanced avionics demonstrator
- G.222AAA: Alenia-owned prototype conv., MM62144
-- AAA = Avanzata Architettura Avionica
-- aka unofficially as G.222A³ using superscript
G.291 - (Project) G.91Y upgrade deriv. study
- G.291: 1973-74 G.91Y fuselage with new wing
-- Part of the Study 3-1x upgrade series
-- Ultimately, 3-1x study led to all-new AMX
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-aviazione-projects.31824/#post-351944
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[1] The G.222's T64/P4D engine was a hybrid combining an uprated Fiat-built gearbox (as per T64-GE-10 and CT64-GE-820 with the power section of the T64-GE-7/-413 turboshaft (as per CH-53 helicopter)
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Thanks for the update hesham. I've eliminated my reference to the 'G.22 racer'.
G.222: I neglected to mention that the less formal AMI role designators were based upon quick-change, palletised mission kits dedicated to specific roles. So, in theory - and using two unbuilt role kits here - a G.222 Aerocisterna could have been flying aerial refuelling missions in the morning only to be 're-palletised' as a G.222 Pattugliamento Marittimo in the afternoon.
On the other hand, should that hypothetical G.222MP spot maritime pollution while on patrol, a dedicated G.222 Sprayer (with permanently-mounted spray nozzles) would need to called in to lay down dispersants. Other semi-permanent mods were the G.222RM (Radio Misur) work stations and the G.222VS (Versione Speciale) sensors and avionics fit.
I also forgot to mention two proposed mission kits which I found no designations (or non-generic Italian descriptions) for. These were the VIP transport and the maritime search-and-rescue kits. The latter package may have simply been the bubble-windowed G.222 Pattugliamento Marittimo fitted with mounted points for air-droppable rafts and other SAR stores.
G.222: I neglected to mention that the less formal AMI role designators were based upon quick-change, palletised mission kits dedicated to specific roles. So, in theory - and using two unbuilt role kits here - a G.222 Aerocisterna could have been flying aerial refuelling missions in the morning only to be 're-palletised' as a G.222 Pattugliamento Marittimo in the afternoon.
On the other hand, should that hypothetical G.222MP spot maritime pollution while on patrol, a dedicated G.222 Sprayer (with permanently-mounted spray nozzles) would need to called in to lay down dispersants. Other semi-permanent mods were the G.222RM (Radio Misur) work stations and the G.222VS (Versione Speciale) sensors and avionics fit.
I also forgot to mention two proposed mission kits which I found no designations (or non-generic Italian descriptions) for. These were the VIP transport and the maritime search-and-rescue kits. The latter package may have simply been the bubble-windowed G.222 Pattugliamento Marittimo fitted with mounted points for air-droppable rafts and other SAR stores.
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My dear Apophenia,
the source for G.52 is;
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the source for G.52 is;
Aeronautica d'Italia (FIAT) G-52
Someone, some time ago, somewhere, asked for a 3-views of the FIAT G-52, a proposed evolution of the G-50 with a more powerful engine, the FIAT A.76 R.C. 38, a double-row radial with 14 cylinders and a power of 1000 HPs at 3800 mt. Dimensions are quoted in the drawing. Maximum projected speed...
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As per as request by hesham ...
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Fiat B.R. and C.R. Aircraft Designations
-- The Designs of ing. Celestino Rosatelli
I can't say that I've found any real patterns here. Both sequences begin with unnumbered types and then proceed more or less in ascending numerical order. But there are plenty of gaps ... some of which are rather mysterious. Eg: I've found no [/i]Bombardiere Rosatelli[/i]) designation between the 1934 B.R.4 biplane and the B.R.20 monoplane of Feb 1936. Are we to believe that Rosatelli created 16 'missing' projects in those 18 months or so?
In at least one case, the B.R. sequence jumps from the B.R.30 project to the B.R.44. In that latter case, the designation number was specifically chosen to match that of its Fiat A.44 powerplants. So, there is at least anecdotally evidence that the numerical order could be dropped for 'marketing' purposes.
In other cases, projects may have just been lost in time. The quote "Sono note le sigle BR.22, BR.25, BR.26, BR.30 e BR.44, ma non e detto che l'elenco sia completo" is instructive. [1] Here we have five bomber project designations ... but, in some cases, not much more than designations. But what are we missing?
One anomalous designation mentioned is the B.R.G. (Bombardiere Rosatelli Gigante) which received no type number - suggesting that this trimotor bomber may have been meant to have been the first in a new sequence of numbered B.R.G. designs.
As with the B.R. series, gaps appear in the C.R. sequence. One occurs between the contemporaneous C.R.10 and C.R.20 biplanes. Once again, its pretty obvious that the sequence was not being rigorously followed.
With a deviation for that anomalous B.R.G., I have generally avoided Rosatelli designations other than the B.R. and C.R. series. An exception is the R.23 project - mentioned because of the persistence of the 'C.R.23' form. AFAIK, there was no such thing. As a multi-purpose type, the R.23 initially received no role prefix. As proposed role because clearer, the sub-types were designated in a new F.R.23 sequence.
Okay, who has more Celestino Rosatelli projects?
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[1] From Fantasmi di aerei e motori Fiat dal 1935 al 1945 (seconda parte) by Giovanni Masino, Ali Antiche, n.108. Trans. 'The designations BR.22, BR.25, BR.26, BR.30 and BR.44 are known, but that list is not necessarily complete.'
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Fiat B.R. (Bombardiere Rosatelli) Designation Series
B.R. - 1919 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x (?)*
- B.R. : SIA.9/R.2 devel. w/ reinforced wing bracing
- B.R. : 1 x 700 hp Fiat A.14 V-12, equal span 15.50 m
- B.R. : 2-seat tandem, 2-bay w/ inboard 'W' bracing
-- aka (orig.) SIA BD (for Bombardiere Diurno)
-- Celestino Rosatelli perf. detail engineering only
-- B 1: Swedish Flygkompaniet/Flygvapnet Bombflygplan
-- B 1: No.s 100, 102, and 104; all struck off in 1932
-- * Some sources wrongly claim B.R. was prototype only
B.R.1 - 1924 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x 150
- B.R.1: Refined B.R. w/ Rosatelli's patent 'W' struts
- B.R.1: 1 x 700 hp Fiat A.14 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- B.R.1: Rotary bomb racks (750 kg), torpedoes trialed
-- R.700: 1922 mod. B.R. absolute world airspeed record
-- B 2: Swedish Flygkompaniet/Flygvapnet Bombflygplan
-- B 2: Flygvapnet No.s 106 and 108; struck off in 1937
B.R.2 - 1925 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x (??)
- B.R.2: Re-engined devel. of Rosatelli's B.R.1 biplane
- B.R.2: 1 x 1,050 hp Fiat A.25 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- B.R.2: Reinf. structure, more fuel, impr. landing gear
B.R.3 - 1930 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x 100+
- BR.3: Stronger, expanded role (photo-recce) B.R.2 deriv.
- BR.3: 1 x 1,050 hp Fiat A.25 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- BR.3: Improved B.R.2, late prod. w/ Handley Page slats
B.R.4 - 1934 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x 1
- BR.4: Completely revised structure, further impr. u/c
- BR.4: 1 x 1,050 hp Fiat A.25 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- BR.4: C.R.30-style tunnel radiator, wheel spats, etc.
-- Too slow compared to contemporary light day bombers
-- http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MM/MM-129/1012-28-1-2.jpg
5-19
B.R.20 - 1936 twin-engined medium bomber, x ~500
- B.R.20: Prototype + initial prod. model, x 233
- B.R.20: 2 x 1,000 hp A.80 R.C.41, span 21.56 m
-- Fiat M.1 dorsal turret, Fiat H ventral turret
-- Also Breda H nose turret with 1 x 7.7mm Breda
- B.R.20A: Istres-Damascus-Paris race mod., x 2
-- I-ROBO (Rolandi/Bonini), I-GAQU (Gaeta/Questa)
- B.R.20L: (Lualdi) 1939 long-range B.R.20 mod.
- B.R.20L: Designation after pilot Maner Lualdi
-- Won Il Popolo d'Italia prize for flight
- B.R.20M: (Modificato) aerody.-impr'd nose, x 264
- B.R.20M: 2 x 1,030 hp Fiat A.80 RC.41 18-cyl.
-- I-F Lanciani Delta dorsal + Breda R ventral
- B.R.20M/VSV: 1941 Scuola Volo Senza Visibilità mod.
- B.R.20 scuola: RA crew trainer for Dornier Do 217
- B.R.20Ca: (Cannoncino)* Agusta conv., 37 mm cannon*
- B.R.20Ca: Gun in mod. nose, fitted w/ tricycle u/c
-- * 'Light Cannon' based on Breda dal 37/54 AA gun
-- NB: Widely-used 'B.R.20C' desig. is in error
- B.R.20bis: Revised, updated, & higher-power vers.
- B.R.20bis: 2 x 1,250 hp* Fiat A.82 RC.42 radials
-- * At 4,200 metres, take-off power was 1,092 hp
- B.R.20bis: Long nose, Breda V dorsal turret, x 15
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B.R.22 - Poss. a typo but more than one reference
-- https://www.ab-ix.co.uk%2Fpdfs%2Fitaly.pdf
-- "MM457 = Fiat BR.22" [2]
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-183180
23-24
B.R.25 - (Project)* Twin-engined medium bomber
- B.R.25: Sim. layout to R.23, B.R.20 repl.?
- B.R.25: 2 x IV-12 engines, span 18.90 m (??)
- B.R.25: Slightly rev. gulled wing, twin tails
-- * Poss. reached the mock-up stage (??)
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-279902
B.R.26 - (Project) Twin-engined medium bomber
- B.R.26: Sim. layout to R.23, B.R.20 repl.?
- B.R.26: 2 x radial or IV-12 engines, span 19.90 m
- B.R.26: Slightly rev. gulled wing, twin tails
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-279902
27-29
B.R.30 - 1938 twin-engined medium bomber, built (??)
- B.R.30: Bombardiere Normale competition entrant
31-43
B.R.44 - (Project) Twin-engined medium bomber
- B.R.44: Larger than the B.R.25 and B.R.26
- B.R.44: 2 x 2,800 hp Fiat A.44 R.C.15-45*
- B.R.44: Slightly rev. gulled wing, twin tails
-- * H-32 config, B.R.44 span may be 27.50 m
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[2] The 'BR.22' ref is sandwiched between a B.R.20bis series and a Savoia-Marchetti SM.83. I haven't been able to find any other online reference to the Matricole Militari 457. Anyone else?
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Fiat B.R. (Bombardiere Rosatelli) Anomalous Designation
Unnumbered trimotor bomber dubbed 'Bombardiere Rosatelli Gigante'.
B.R.G. - 1930 high-winged trimotor heavy bomber, x 1
- B.R.G. :
- B.R.G. : 3 x 720/700 hp Fiat A.24* V-12s, span 30.00 m
-- * Geared A.24R on centreline + 2 x direct-drive A.24s
- B.R.G. : Assigned 62ª Squadriglia SBP,** no prod. order
-- ** SPB = 'Sperimentale Bombardamento Pesante'
-- http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Ferone/4159.htm
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Fiat C.R. (Caccia Rosatelli) Designation Series
C.R. - 1923 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 2
- C.R. : Inverted sesquiplane wings, mainly wooden constr.*
-- * 1st use patented Rosatelli Warren truss biplane bracing
- C.R. : 1 x 300 hp Hispano-Suiza 42 V-8, span 8.95 m
-- Prototypes developed into production C.R.1 (below)
-- NB: M.M.1 and M.M.2 were Matricola militari not desig.
C.R.1 - 1924 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 240
- C.R.1: Inverted sesquiplane wings, mainly wooden construction
-- * 1st use of Rosatelli's patent biplane Warren truss bracing
- C.R.1: 1 x 300-or-320 hp Hispano-Suiza 42 V-8,* span 8.95 m
-- Some re-engined w/ I-F Asso V-12, no desig. change
-- Prod'n: Fiat x 190, OFM (IMAM) x 40, Savoia Marchetti x 100
C.R.2 - 1928 single-seat fighter-trainer deriv. of C.R.1, x 1
- C.R.2: Lower-powered C.R.1 as less expensive training a/c
- C.R.2: 1 x 200 hp Alfa Romeo Lynx 7-cylinder radial
-- C.R.2 passed its RA flight trials but no production order
3-4
C.R.5 - 192? single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 1
- C.R.2: Radial-engined development based on C.R.1 airframe
- C.R.2: 1 x 420 hp Alfa Romeo Jupiter 9-cyl. radial
6-9
C.R.10 - 1925 prototype conv'n for higher-power C.R.1, x 1
- C.R.10 : Retained wooden struct fuselage of C.R.1 fighter
- C.R.10 : 1 x 410 hp Fiat A.20 V-12 engine,* span 8.95 m
-- * Fitted with 2 x Lamblin-style 'lobster pot' radiators
- C.R.10 Idro: Twin-float conv., unclear if ever completed
-- C.R.10 failed comparative tests w/ the all-metal C.R.20
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C.R.20 - 1926 single-engined single-seat biplane fighter
- C.R.20 : Conventional sesquiplane, Warren-truss bracing
- C.R.20 : 1 x 420 hp Fiat A.20 V-12, span 9.80 m, x 250
- C.R.20 : Capable of 4 x machine guns, only 2 x 7.7 mm fitted
- C.R.20I :Idro, twin-float fighter, x 46 (Macchi/CMASA)
- C.R.20B : Biposto, tandem 2-seat training variant
- C.R.20bis: 1930, refined separate oleo-pneumatic u/c, x 235
- C.R.20bisAQ: Alta Quota high-altitude, w/ Fiat A.20AQ
- C.R.20 Asso: C.R.20bis w/ 480 hp I-F Asso V-12, x 204
-- C.R.20 Asso prod'n: Macchi x 104, CMASA x 100, aka CR Asso
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C.R.22 - 192? single-engined single-seat biplane fighter
- C.R.22 : Seems to be an enlarged version of the C.R.20
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...ittle-known-aircraft.18767/page-2#post-293824
C.R.23 - Mis-applied to early 1942 R.23 project
-- R.23: Twin-engined* multi-purpose aircraft
-- * Orig. Fiat A.83 R.C.24-52 or Fiat RA.1050
-- * Finally, settled exclusively on RA.1050
-- Eventually, R.23 redesig. as F.R.23 series
-- F.R.23A: Night-fighter or divebomber
-- F.R.23B: Torpedo-bomber or divebomber
-- F.R.23C: Heavy fighter or Cannoniere da assalto
-- F.R.23D: Medium-, torpedo-, or divebomber
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C.R.25 - 1939 twin-engined long-range escort fighter, x 12*
- C.R.25 : Low-wing, mixed constr., 3 x crew, dorsal turret
- C.R.25 : Prototype reconnaissance-bombers, 2 x built
-- Proposed armament: 4 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT, 300 kg bombs
- C.R.25bis: Recce and long-range fighter-escort, x 9
- C.R.25bis: 2 x 840 hp Fiat A.74 R.C.38s, span 16.00 m
- C.R.25bis: 3 x 12.7 mm mgs, 2 x fixed + 1 x dorsal turret
-- 6 x 173a Squadriglia Ricognizione Strategica Terrestre
- C.R.25D: Pax courier for Italian air attaché, Berlin
-- * C.R.25 + C.R.25bis pre-prod'n run, orig. 40 x ordered
- C.R.25quater: (Project) Heavier armament, not completed
- C.R.25(?): (Project) 1943 modernized prototype proposal
- C.R.25(?): 2 x 1,175 hp engines, 2 x MG 151/20 mm guns
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C.R.30 - 1932 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 201
- C.R.30 : Intended replacement for the RA's C.R.20 fighter
- C.R.30 : 1 x 600 hp Fiat A.30 Ra bis V-12, span 10.55 m
- C.R.30 : Adopted as a RA interim fighter pending C.R.32
- C.R.30B : Biposto, tandem 2-seat training variant
- C.R.30 Idro: Twin-float fighter adaptation, x 2
C.R.31 - (??) fighter (??), no details
C.R.32 - 1933 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 1,212
- C.R.32 : Reduced-scale evolution of Fiat C.R.30 fighter
- C.R.32 : 1 x 600 hp Fiat A.30 Ra bis V-12, span 9.50 m
- C.R.32 : Initial prod., 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT mgs, x 383
- C.R.32bis: 2 x 12.7 mm + 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT mgs, x 328
- C.R.32ter: 1937 improved and strengthened C.R.32bis, x 103
- C.R.32quater: Lighter 'ter, 2 x with 12.7 mm Bredas, x 395
-- Hispano HA-132L Chirri: Spanish licensed prod'n, x 100
-- Hispano-Suiza HS.132L became Hispano Aviación HA-132L, 1943
C.R.33 - 1935 re-engined C.R.32-based fighter prototype, x 3
- C.R.33: C.R.32-like airframe with a supercharged engine
- C.R.33: 1 x 690 hp Fiat A.33 R.C.35 V-12,* span 9.80 m
-- * Driving a ground-adjustable three-bladed propeller
- C.R.33: Planned armament 2 x 12.7 mm + 2 x 7.7 mm Bredas
-- 1st C.R.33 completed 1935 but engine delayed until 1937
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-242744
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C.R.35 - (Project) 1939 single-seat biplane fighter
- C.R.35: Highly streamlined, 1 x 1,010 hp DB 601A
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...daimler-benz-some-questions.8074/#post-279770
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C.R.40 - 1934 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 2
- C.R.40 : Parallel devel. to C.R.33 but w/ a radial engine
- C.R.40: 1 x 550 hp Alfa-Romeo Mercury 9-cyl, span 9.30 m
- C.R.40: Deeper fuselage than C.R.33, gulled upper wings
- C.R.40bis: 1936 2nd prototype, 1 x 690 hp Fiat A.59R radial **
-- ** A.59R was a licensed-built Pratt & Whitney R-1690 Hornet
-- C.R.40 prototype was M.M.202, C.R.40bis prototype was M.M.275
- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-293295
C.R.41 - 1935 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 2*
- C.R.41 : Larger more powerful C.R.40 parallel devel., M.M.207
- C.R.41 : 1 x 730 hp Gnome-Rhône 14Kfs 14-cyl,** span 9.65 m
- C.R.41 : Planned armament 2 x 20 mm or 4 x 12.7 mm Bredas
-- C.R.41 was passed over in favour of more promising C.R.42
-- * Unclear whether 2nd prototype (M.M.208) was completed
-- ** GR 14K was licensed as I-F K.14, Piaggio P.XI was deriv.
C.R.42 - 1939 single-engined single-seat biplane fighter, x 1,782
- C.R.42: Sequiplane fighter, mainly fabric-covered metal constr.
- C.R.42: 840 hp Fiat A.74 R.C.38 14-cyl. radial, span 9.70 m
- C.R.42 : Prototypes/early prod., 1 x 7.7 mm + 1 x 12.7 mm mgs
- C.R.42bis: (??) seems to be used interchangeably with C.R.42
- C.R.42ter: 4-gun version, 2 x 12.7 mm + 2 x underwing 7.7 mm
- C.R.42 AS: For Africa Settentrionale (or North Africa)
-- Dust filters & bomb racks for desert close-support operations
- C.R.42 Egeo: Added 80 L fuel tank for Aegean Sea duties
- I.C.R.42 : Idro, 1939 twin-float fighter conv., x 1
-- Intended as Ro.44 successor, I.C.R.42 conv. work by CMASA
-- aka C.R.42 idro, 1938 force plans included 40 x floatplanes
- C.R.42B: Biposto, tandem 2-seat training variant
- CR42 CN : Caccia Notturna, night fighter vers., x ~80
- C.R.42 DB: For Daimler Benz, 1,010 hp DB 601A inverted V-12
- C.R.42 DB: 1 x prototype conv. (M.M.469), aka C.R.42BA
-- R.42P: (Project) 1941 2-seat C.R.42 DB development
- C.R.42LW: Luftwaffe, Nachtschlachtgruppe, x 150
-- J 11 : Swedish Flygvapnet Jaktflygplan designation
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-cr-42-with-daimler-benz-some-questions.8074/
-- https://oldmachinepress.com/2016/07/13/fiat-cr-42-db-fighter/
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C.R.44 - (Project) 1941 single-engined fighter-bomber
- C.R.44: Init. concept, 2-seat assault/torpedo-bomber
-- Recce role is also mentioned for the 2-seater
- C.R.44: Final concept, single-seat fighter/divebomber
- C.R.44: 1 x 2,800 hp Fiat A.44 R.C.15-45,* span 15.60 m
- C.R.44: 4 x 12.7 mm, 2 x 20 mm, up to 500 kg of bombs
-- * 'Double V' X-32 engine driving contra-rotating props
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-279902
45-49
C.R.50 - (Project) 194?, prob. bifusoliera fighter
- C.R.50: Twin-fuselaged (??), no other details
51-54
C.R.55 - (Project) 1941-42, bifusoliera fighter
- C.R.55: Twin-fuselaged, no relationship to G.55/G.58
- C.R.55: No details, said to be P-38-like in appearance
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Fiat B.R. and C.R. Aircraft Designations
-- The Designs of ing. Celestino Rosatelli
I can't say that I've found any real patterns here. Both sequences begin with unnumbered types and then proceed more or less in ascending numerical order. But there are plenty of gaps ... some of which are rather mysterious. Eg: I've found no [/i]Bombardiere Rosatelli[/i]) designation between the 1934 B.R.4 biplane and the B.R.20 monoplane of Feb 1936. Are we to believe that Rosatelli created 16 'missing' projects in those 18 months or so?
In at least one case, the B.R. sequence jumps from the B.R.30 project to the B.R.44. In that latter case, the designation number was specifically chosen to match that of its Fiat A.44 powerplants. So, there is at least anecdotally evidence that the numerical order could be dropped for 'marketing' purposes.
In other cases, projects may have just been lost in time. The quote "Sono note le sigle BR.22, BR.25, BR.26, BR.30 e BR.44, ma non e detto che l'elenco sia completo" is instructive. [1] Here we have five bomber project designations ... but, in some cases, not much more than designations. But what are we missing?
One anomalous designation mentioned is the B.R.G. (Bombardiere Rosatelli Gigante) which received no type number - suggesting that this trimotor bomber may have been meant to have been the first in a new sequence of numbered B.R.G. designs.
As with the B.R. series, gaps appear in the C.R. sequence. One occurs between the contemporaneous C.R.10 and C.R.20 biplanes. Once again, its pretty obvious that the sequence was not being rigorously followed.
With a deviation for that anomalous B.R.G., I have generally avoided Rosatelli designations other than the B.R. and C.R. series. An exception is the R.23 project - mentioned because of the persistence of the 'C.R.23' form. AFAIK, there was no such thing. As a multi-purpose type, the R.23 initially received no role prefix. As proposed role because clearer, the sub-types were designated in a new F.R.23 sequence.
Okay, who has more Celestino Rosatelli projects?
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[1] From Fantasmi di aerei e motori Fiat dal 1935 al 1945 (seconda parte) by Giovanni Masino, Ali Antiche, n.108. Trans. 'The designations BR.22, BR.25, BR.26, BR.30 and BR.44 are known, but that list is not necessarily complete.'
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Fiat B.R. (Bombardiere Rosatelli) Designation Series
B.R. - 1919 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x (?)*
- B.R. : SIA.9/R.2 devel. w/ reinforced wing bracing
- B.R. : 1 x 700 hp Fiat A.14 V-12, equal span 15.50 m
- B.R. : 2-seat tandem, 2-bay w/ inboard 'W' bracing
-- aka (orig.) SIA BD (for Bombardiere Diurno)
-- Celestino Rosatelli perf. detail engineering only
-- B 1: Swedish Flygkompaniet/Flygvapnet Bombflygplan
-- B 1: No.s 100, 102, and 104; all struck off in 1932
-- * Some sources wrongly claim B.R. was prototype only
B.R.1 - 1924 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x 150
- B.R.1: Refined B.R. w/ Rosatelli's patent 'W' struts
- B.R.1: 1 x 700 hp Fiat A.14 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- B.R.1: Rotary bomb racks (750 kg), torpedoes trialed
-- R.700: 1922 mod. B.R. absolute world airspeed record
-- B 2: Swedish Flygkompaniet/Flygvapnet Bombflygplan
-- B 2: Flygvapnet No.s 106 and 108; struck off in 1937
B.R.2 - 1925 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x (??)
- B.R.2: Re-engined devel. of Rosatelli's B.R.1 biplane
- B.R.2: 1 x 1,050 hp Fiat A.25 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- B.R.2: Reinf. structure, more fuel, impr. landing gear
B.R.3 - 1930 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x 100+
- BR.3: Stronger, expanded role (photo-recce) B.R.2 deriv.
- BR.3: 1 x 1,050 hp Fiat A.25 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- BR.3: Improved B.R.2, late prod. w/ Handley Page slats
B.R.4 - 1934 single-engined recce-bomber biplane, x 1
- BR.4: Completely revised structure, further impr. u/c
- BR.4: 1 x 1,050 hp Fiat A.25 V-12, span (top) 17.30 m
- BR.4: C.R.30-style tunnel radiator, wheel spats, etc.
-- Too slow compared to contemporary light day bombers
-- http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MM/MM-129/1012-28-1-2.jpg
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B.R.20 - 1936 twin-engined medium bomber, x ~500
- B.R.20: Prototype + initial prod. model, x 233
- B.R.20: 2 x 1,000 hp A.80 R.C.41, span 21.56 m
-- Fiat M.1 dorsal turret, Fiat H ventral turret
-- Also Breda H nose turret with 1 x 7.7mm Breda
- B.R.20A: Istres-Damascus-Paris race mod., x 2
-- I-ROBO (Rolandi/Bonini), I-GAQU (Gaeta/Questa)
- B.R.20L: (Lualdi) 1939 long-range B.R.20 mod.
- B.R.20L: Designation after pilot Maner Lualdi
-- Won Il Popolo d'Italia prize for flight
- B.R.20M: (Modificato) aerody.-impr'd nose, x 264
- B.R.20M: 2 x 1,030 hp Fiat A.80 RC.41 18-cyl.
-- I-F Lanciani Delta dorsal + Breda R ventral
- B.R.20M/VSV: 1941 Scuola Volo Senza Visibilità mod.
- B.R.20 scuola: RA crew trainer for Dornier Do 217
- B.R.20Ca: (Cannoncino)* Agusta conv., 37 mm cannon*
- B.R.20Ca: Gun in mod. nose, fitted w/ tricycle u/c
-- * 'Light Cannon' based on Breda dal 37/54 AA gun
-- NB: Widely-used 'B.R.20C' desig. is in error
- B.R.20bis: Revised, updated, & higher-power vers.
- B.R.20bis: 2 x 1,250 hp* Fiat A.82 RC.42 radials
-- * At 4,200 metres, take-off power was 1,092 hp
- B.R.20bis: Long nose, Breda V dorsal turret, x 15
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B.R.22 - Poss. a typo but more than one reference
-- https://www.ab-ix.co.uk%2Fpdfs%2Fitaly.pdf
-- "MM457 = Fiat BR.22" [2]
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-183180
23-24
B.R.25 - (Project)* Twin-engined medium bomber
- B.R.25: Sim. layout to R.23, B.R.20 repl.?
- B.R.25: 2 x IV-12 engines, span 18.90 m (??)
- B.R.25: Slightly rev. gulled wing, twin tails
-- * Poss. reached the mock-up stage (??)
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-279902
B.R.26 - (Project) Twin-engined medium bomber
- B.R.26: Sim. layout to R.23, B.R.20 repl.?
- B.R.26: 2 x radial or IV-12 engines, span 19.90 m
- B.R.26: Slightly rev. gulled wing, twin tails
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-279902
27-29
B.R.30 - 1938 twin-engined medium bomber, built (??)
- B.R.30: Bombardiere Normale competition entrant
31-43
B.R.44 - (Project) Twin-engined medium bomber
- B.R.44: Larger than the B.R.25 and B.R.26
- B.R.44: 2 x 2,800 hp Fiat A.44 R.C.15-45*
- B.R.44: Slightly rev. gulled wing, twin tails
-- * H-32 config, B.R.44 span may be 27.50 m
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[2] The 'BR.22' ref is sandwiched between a B.R.20bis series and a Savoia-Marchetti SM.83. I haven't been able to find any other online reference to the Matricole Militari 457. Anyone else?
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Fiat B.R. (Bombardiere Rosatelli) Anomalous Designation
Unnumbered trimotor bomber dubbed 'Bombardiere Rosatelli Gigante'.
B.R.G. - 1930 high-winged trimotor heavy bomber, x 1
- B.R.G. :
- B.R.G. : 3 x 720/700 hp Fiat A.24* V-12s, span 30.00 m
-- * Geared A.24R on centreline + 2 x direct-drive A.24s
- B.R.G. : Assigned 62ª Squadriglia SBP,** no prod. order
-- ** SPB = 'Sperimentale Bombardamento Pesante'
-- http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Ferone/4159.htm
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Fiat C.R. (Caccia Rosatelli) Designation Series
C.R. - 1923 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 2
- C.R. : Inverted sesquiplane wings, mainly wooden constr.*
-- * 1st use patented Rosatelli Warren truss biplane bracing
- C.R. : 1 x 300 hp Hispano-Suiza 42 V-8, span 8.95 m
-- Prototypes developed into production C.R.1 (below)
-- NB: M.M.1 and M.M.2 were Matricola militari not desig.
C.R.1 - 1924 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 240
- C.R.1: Inverted sesquiplane wings, mainly wooden construction
-- * 1st use of Rosatelli's patent biplane Warren truss bracing
- C.R.1: 1 x 300-or-320 hp Hispano-Suiza 42 V-8,* span 8.95 m
-- Some re-engined w/ I-F Asso V-12, no desig. change
-- Prod'n: Fiat x 190, OFM (IMAM) x 40, Savoia Marchetti x 100
C.R.2 - 1928 single-seat fighter-trainer deriv. of C.R.1, x 1
- C.R.2: Lower-powered C.R.1 as less expensive training a/c
- C.R.2: 1 x 200 hp Alfa Romeo Lynx 7-cylinder radial
-- C.R.2 passed its RA flight trials but no production order
3-4
C.R.5 - 192? single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 1
- C.R.2: Radial-engined development based on C.R.1 airframe
- C.R.2: 1 x 420 hp Alfa Romeo Jupiter 9-cyl. radial
6-9
C.R.10 - 1925 prototype conv'n for higher-power C.R.1, x 1
- C.R.10 : Retained wooden struct fuselage of C.R.1 fighter
- C.R.10 : 1 x 410 hp Fiat A.20 V-12 engine,* span 8.95 m
-- * Fitted with 2 x Lamblin-style 'lobster pot' radiators
- C.R.10 Idro: Twin-float conv., unclear if ever completed
-- C.R.10 failed comparative tests w/ the all-metal C.R.20
11-19
C.R.20 - 1926 single-engined single-seat biplane fighter
- C.R.20 : Conventional sesquiplane, Warren-truss bracing
- C.R.20 : 1 x 420 hp Fiat A.20 V-12, span 9.80 m, x 250
- C.R.20 : Capable of 4 x machine guns, only 2 x 7.7 mm fitted
- C.R.20I :Idro, twin-float fighter, x 46 (Macchi/CMASA)
- C.R.20B : Biposto, tandem 2-seat training variant
- C.R.20bis: 1930, refined separate oleo-pneumatic u/c, x 235
- C.R.20bisAQ: Alta Quota high-altitude, w/ Fiat A.20AQ
- C.R.20 Asso: C.R.20bis w/ 480 hp I-F Asso V-12, x 204
-- C.R.20 Asso prod'n: Macchi x 104, CMASA x 100, aka CR Asso
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C.R.22 - 192? single-engined single-seat biplane fighter
- C.R.22 : Seems to be an enlarged version of the C.R.20
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...ittle-known-aircraft.18767/page-2#post-293824
C.R.23 - Mis-applied to early 1942 R.23 project
-- R.23: Twin-engined* multi-purpose aircraft
-- * Orig. Fiat A.83 R.C.24-52 or Fiat RA.1050
-- * Finally, settled exclusively on RA.1050
-- Eventually, R.23 redesig. as F.R.23 series
-- F.R.23A: Night-fighter or divebomber
-- F.R.23B: Torpedo-bomber or divebomber
-- F.R.23C: Heavy fighter or Cannoniere da assalto
-- F.R.23D: Medium-, torpedo-, or divebomber
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C.R.25 - 1939 twin-engined long-range escort fighter, x 12*
- C.R.25 : Low-wing, mixed constr., 3 x crew, dorsal turret
- C.R.25 : Prototype reconnaissance-bombers, 2 x built
-- Proposed armament: 4 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT, 300 kg bombs
- C.R.25bis: Recce and long-range fighter-escort, x 9
- C.R.25bis: 2 x 840 hp Fiat A.74 R.C.38s, span 16.00 m
- C.R.25bis: 3 x 12.7 mm mgs, 2 x fixed + 1 x dorsal turret
-- 6 x 173a Squadriglia Ricognizione Strategica Terrestre
- C.R.25D: Pax courier for Italian air attaché, Berlin
-- * C.R.25 + C.R.25bis pre-prod'n run, orig. 40 x ordered
- C.R.25quater: (Project) Heavier armament, not completed
- C.R.25(?): (Project) 1943 modernized prototype proposal
- C.R.25(?): 2 x 1,175 hp engines, 2 x MG 151/20 mm guns
26-29
C.R.30 - 1932 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 201
- C.R.30 : Intended replacement for the RA's C.R.20 fighter
- C.R.30 : 1 x 600 hp Fiat A.30 Ra bis V-12, span 10.55 m
- C.R.30 : Adopted as a RA interim fighter pending C.R.32
- C.R.30B : Biposto, tandem 2-seat training variant
- C.R.30 Idro: Twin-float fighter adaptation, x 2
C.R.31 - (??) fighter (??), no details
C.R.32 - 1933 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 1,212
- C.R.32 : Reduced-scale evolution of Fiat C.R.30 fighter
- C.R.32 : 1 x 600 hp Fiat A.30 Ra bis V-12, span 9.50 m
- C.R.32 : Initial prod., 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT mgs, x 383
- C.R.32bis: 2 x 12.7 mm + 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT mgs, x 328
- C.R.32ter: 1937 improved and strengthened C.R.32bis, x 103
- C.R.32quater: Lighter 'ter, 2 x with 12.7 mm Bredas, x 395
-- Hispano HA-132L Chirri: Spanish licensed prod'n, x 100
-- Hispano-Suiza HS.132L became Hispano Aviación HA-132L, 1943
C.R.33 - 1935 re-engined C.R.32-based fighter prototype, x 3
- C.R.33: C.R.32-like airframe with a supercharged engine
- C.R.33: 1 x 690 hp Fiat A.33 R.C.35 V-12,* span 9.80 m
-- * Driving a ground-adjustable three-bladed propeller
- C.R.33: Planned armament 2 x 12.7 mm + 2 x 7.7 mm Bredas
-- 1st C.R.33 completed 1935 but engine delayed until 1937
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-242744
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C.R.35 - (Project) 1939 single-seat biplane fighter
- C.R.35: Highly streamlined, 1 x 1,010 hp DB 601A
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...daimler-benz-some-questions.8074/#post-279770
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C.R.40 - 1934 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 2
- C.R.40 : Parallel devel. to C.R.33 but w/ a radial engine
- C.R.40: 1 x 550 hp Alfa-Romeo Mercury 9-cyl, span 9.30 m
- C.R.40: Deeper fuselage than C.R.33, gulled upper wings
- C.R.40bis: 1936 2nd prototype, 1 x 690 hp Fiat A.59R radial **
-- ** A.59R was a licensed-built Pratt & Whitney R-1690 Hornet
-- C.R.40 prototype was M.M.202, C.R.40bis prototype was M.M.275
- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-293295
C.R.41 - 1935 single-engined single-seat fighter biplane, x 2*
- C.R.41 : Larger more powerful C.R.40 parallel devel., M.M.207
- C.R.41 : 1 x 730 hp Gnome-Rhône 14Kfs 14-cyl,** span 9.65 m
- C.R.41 : Planned armament 2 x 20 mm or 4 x 12.7 mm Bredas
-- C.R.41 was passed over in favour of more promising C.R.42
-- * Unclear whether 2nd prototype (M.M.208) was completed
-- ** GR 14K was licensed as I-F K.14, Piaggio P.XI was deriv.
C.R.42 - 1939 single-engined single-seat biplane fighter, x 1,782
- C.R.42: Sequiplane fighter, mainly fabric-covered metal constr.
- C.R.42: 840 hp Fiat A.74 R.C.38 14-cyl. radial, span 9.70 m
- C.R.42 : Prototypes/early prod., 1 x 7.7 mm + 1 x 12.7 mm mgs
- C.R.42bis: (??) seems to be used interchangeably with C.R.42
- C.R.42ter: 4-gun version, 2 x 12.7 mm + 2 x underwing 7.7 mm
- C.R.42 AS: For Africa Settentrionale (or North Africa)
-- Dust filters & bomb racks for desert close-support operations
- C.R.42 Egeo: Added 80 L fuel tank for Aegean Sea duties
- I.C.R.42 : Idro, 1939 twin-float fighter conv., x 1
-- Intended as Ro.44 successor, I.C.R.42 conv. work by CMASA
-- aka C.R.42 idro, 1938 force plans included 40 x floatplanes
- C.R.42B: Biposto, tandem 2-seat training variant
- CR42 CN : Caccia Notturna, night fighter vers., x ~80
- C.R.42 DB: For Daimler Benz, 1,010 hp DB 601A inverted V-12
- C.R.42 DB: 1 x prototype conv. (M.M.469), aka C.R.42BA
-- R.42P: (Project) 1941 2-seat C.R.42 DB development
- C.R.42LW: Luftwaffe, Nachtschlachtgruppe, x 150
-- J 11 : Swedish Flygvapnet Jaktflygplan designation
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-cr-42-with-daimler-benz-some-questions.8074/
-- https://oldmachinepress.com/2016/07/13/fiat-cr-42-db-fighter/
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C.R.44 - (Project) 1941 single-engined fighter-bomber
- C.R.44: Init. concept, 2-seat assault/torpedo-bomber
-- Recce role is also mentioned for the 2-seater
- C.R.44: Final concept, single-seat fighter/divebomber
- C.R.44: 1 x 2,800 hp Fiat A.44 R.C.15-45,* span 15.60 m
- C.R.44: 4 x 12.7 mm, 2 x 20 mm, up to 500 kg of bombs
-- * 'Double V' X-32 engine driving contra-rotating props
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/fiat-projects-and-little-known-aircraft.18767/#post-279902
45-49
C.R.50 - (Project) 194?, prob. bifusoliera fighter
- C.R.50: Twin-fuselaged (??), no other details
51-54
C.R.55 - (Project) 1941-42, bifusoliera fighter
- C.R.55: Twin-fuselaged, no relationship to G.55/G.58
- C.R.55: No details, said to be P-38-like in appearance
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Amazing work as usual dear Apophenia,
and can we consider that,the R series is the same series as Br ,but
the main differences are the R only for recce and Br bomber-recce,
from Net I have this, R.2,R.5,R.10,R.14,R.21,R.22 & R.25,of course I
am not sure about all of them.
For CR series,can we put a potential the C.29 was from them,and
what about CR.43,CR.50 & CR.55 ?.
and can we consider that,the R series is the same series as Br ,but
the main differences are the R only for recce and Br bomber-recce,
from Net I have this, R.2,R.5,R.10,R.14,R.21,R.22 & R.25,of course I
am not sure about all of them.
For CR series,can we put a potential the C.29 was from them,and
what about CR.43,CR.50 & CR.55 ?.
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Thanks Hesham.
I haven't found any evidence for a C.R.43 designation. Doesn't mean it may not have existed ... I just can't find it.
Thanks for the reminder on the C.R.50 and C.R.55 designations - I have added them now. I had put them aside to try and shift through the make-believe and find some facts. When that failed, I forgot to include these designations
I've now listed the C.R.50/C.R.55 projects as probably bifusolieri but without details. As Skybolt has said, the idea of the C.R.55 being a twinned G.55 is "complete fantasy". Yet that Aviarmor retouch keeps showing up in different places. One location is a Yandex article claiming that drawing to be the 'CR.55', as a rival to an essentially similar Gabrielli design (this 'G.58' being illustrated by a what-if drawing done by our GTX, IIRC).
With so little known about the C.R.50/C.R.55, probably the less said is better. On the C.29 racer, the 'C' is clearly for Corsa. Doubtless, with a bit of work, a float-fighter could have been created from the C.29. But do we have any evidence that Rosatelli's uffici tecnici ever worked on such a project? It seems highly improbably since the Regia Aeronautica would remain deeply committed to biplane fighters for at least another decade.
On the early 'R' for Ricognizione types, I've mentioned the R.700 (a direct B.R.1 development). At a stretch, I suppose the R.2 might be linked with the original B.R. ... but I don't think that this a useful connection. I don't know anything about the later 'R' series but suspect that, there, the letter is simply for 'Rosatelli'.
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Do You have some more info about the Fiat G96?
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As noted above, G.96 was an alternative designation for the heavily modified G.95/6 - basically recognizing the great degree of change incorporated into that derivative. So, basically a stretched-fuselage G.95/4 with slightly extended wing tips.
The point of the fuselage stretch was to accommodate fore-and-aft lift jets - in two groups of 3 x Rolls Royce RB.162-31s (vs. 4 x RB.162s for the G.95/4). Main propulsion was initially to be GE J85s - presumably based on G.91Y redesign experience. Later, two 6,850 lbf R-R/MAN Turbo RB.153-61s were adopted.
Engine details:
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/rolls-royce-liftjets-from-rb82-to-xj-99.2069/#post-137011
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/rolls-royce-liftjets-from-rb82-to-xj-99.2069/#post-137053
Frustratingly, I still have no idea of what the G.95/5 variant was!
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Thanks for the info!
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Hello Forum,
I've just discovered a photo of a 2-engined biplane in L'Aeronautique, Dec/ 1919, which is called a "S.I.A." Unfortunatly, I couln't find anything about the aircraft. Maybe somebody knowing the correct type.
I've just discovered a photo of a 2-engined biplane in L'Aeronautique, Dec/ 1919, which is called a "S.I.A." Unfortunatly, I couln't find anything about the aircraft. Maybe somebody knowing the correct type.
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