T-X Trainer - Boeing T-7A Red Hawk

TomcatViP said:
It's possible. But after 40 years of Etendard flying, they might not need to burden the budget for expensive expats...

For example, Latin America countries have flown their Sabre, T-33 or T-37 without US personnel for years.
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Perhaps not. But at least then the French got some money for aircraft that would otherwise be scrap metal. If you think there's a market somewhere that will pay top dollar for used 1970s/80s vintage aircraft, you're mistaken.
 
I have not seen any word on where the production line is to be set up. Hope St. Louis so I can catch some flying but anyone know where?

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 
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Excalibur66 said:
Mark Nankivil said:
I have not seen any word on where the production line is to be set up. Hope St. Louis so I can catch some flying but anyone know where?

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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Mark Nankivil said:
I have not seen any word on where the production line is to be set up. Hope St. Louis so I can catch some flying but anyone know where?

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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Mark Nankivil said:
I have not seen any word on where the production line is to be set up. Hope St. Louis so I can catch some flying but anyone know where?

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2019/05/08/saab-to-build-new-t-x-plant-in-indiana/ Saab will build most of the sections in Indiana then sent it to St Louis for final assembly.
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Thanks - guess I'll see some new aircraft flying! Mark
 
breakingdefense.com

Boeing, Navy Discuss T-7A As Goshawk Replacement - Breaking Defense

The Navy has "no program of record right now" to replace its T-45 trainers, said Chuck Dabundo, Boeing VP for T-7 programs, but the company is "working closely with them in answering questions" about the T-7A Red Hawk's capabilities.
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See the RFI enclosed
 

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I think it's really interesting that Boeing opted to "revert" back to producing an all aluminium aircraft and possibly heralds a new era for metal aircraft. Despite any weight and flexibility advantages composites would've given them, aluminium can be, formed, welded, and even installed with fewer human hours on it....... The composite craze really only seems necessary for military aircraft riding a bleeding edge in performance and capability (in particular for stealth), or particular edge cases (corrosion resistance for naval aircraft). Otherwise, the production savings of metal seem to well out-weight the amount of man-hours composites really require, conforms very well to new digital manufacturing systems, and offers easier maintainability.

Composites could win in the economy of scale in civil aircraft with potential production runs into the thousands, but a few hundred airframes will be more cost and time sensitive, making all metal construction very applicable in the T-7A's case. Replacing metal panels with composites would be a worthwhile upgrade if a larger production run becomes established.

That's my guess, and I think more analysis on aircraft manufacturing processes would be a welcome topic on this site.
 
The great advantage of Aluminium for aerospace comes from being totally recyclable at low cost across a wide spectrum of industries.
 
Combat-Master said:
Were any specs released for the T-7A, I've had no luck finding it.
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I know that we had the RFI posted on an other website (Key aero). I haven't checked it back but remember that Bio posted the KPP from which I remember I extracted some key requirements (G and transonic speed - 7g sustained, 700kt (my mem only)).
 
TomcatViP said:
Combat-Master said:
Were any specs released for the T-7A, I've had no luck finding it.
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I know that we had the RFI posted on an other website (Key aero). I haven't checked it back but remember that Bio posted the KPP from which I remember I extracted some key requirements (G and transonic speed - 7g sustained 700kt (my mem only)).
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The data that is remarkably absent is basic stuff like length, width, weight, etc. The only numbers I've seen are from "Militaryfactory.com" and they are at best guesses. It's slightly unusual that Boeing hasn't put out a datasheet with some basic specs by now.
 
Machdiamond said:
The militaryfactory.com T-7A numbers are not guesses, they are simply the exact specification numbers of an entirely different aircraft: the T-38.
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They used to be, but not anymore (I looked yesterday).
 
aonestudio said:
boeing.mediaroom.com

First T-7A Red Hawk Joined in Record Time, Thanks to Digital Design

ST. LOUIS, May 13, 2021 — In one historic moment, the front fuselage of the first Boeing [NYSE: BA]-Saab T-7A Red Hawk advanced trainer was joined perfectly with its aft section in less than 30...
boeing.mediaroom.com boeing.mediaroom.com
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The comments of the Boeing engineers was very similar to what I heard the Bell engineers say when they were putting the V-280 together. There is also public comment on how the reconnaissance helicopters are going together. As mentioned elsewhere by others I think the "craftsmanship" of assembly will become another note of a bygone era.
 
Wing rock doesn't seem uncommon at high angles of attack in tactical aircraft. Gonna go ahead and guess that they're looking at software tweaks to manage it rather than a dramatic redesign.
 
Most vendors are dealing with sub-contractor difficulties. The pandemix of course hammered the subs. In some cases subs on the margin closed there doors. Now vendors have to find alternates, or worse bootstrap new subs.
 
IIRC wing rock afflicted the Super Bug too. I think there was some physical fix implemented (which doesn't mean software was part of the solution too).
 
TomS said:
Adventurer104 said:
Do we know how it was shipped?
Air or sea?
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The Saab parts for the demonstration aircraft were flown to the US. Probably the same for this example. Ultimately they'll be made in the US, and will likely be trucked between sites.
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Saab plans on setting up a production facility in Indiana once the production contract was firmed up.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 
Birdog357 said:
Mark Nankivil said:
TomS said:
Adventurer104 said:
Do we know how it was shipped?
Air or sea?
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The Saab parts for the demonstration aircraft were flown to the US. Probably the same for this example. Ultimately they'll be made in the US, and will likely be trucked between sites.
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Saab plans on setting up a production facility in Indiana once the production contract was firmed up.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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Do you know where in Indiana?
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West Lafayette.

www.defensenews.com

Saab to build new plant in Indiana for T-X trainer jet

Saab and Boeing officials had promised to make at least 90 percent of the trainer jet in the United States.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
 
TomS said:
Birdog357 said:
Mark Nankivil said:
TomS said:
Adventurer104 said:
Do we know how it was shipped?
Air or sea?
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The Saab parts for the demonstration aircraft were flown to the US. Probably the same for this example. Ultimately they'll be made in the US, and will likely be trucked between sites.
Click to expand...
Saab plans on setting up a production facility in Indiana once the production contract was firmed up.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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Do you know where in Indiana?
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West Lafayette.

www.defensenews.com

Saab to build new plant in Indiana for T-X trainer jet

Saab and Boeing officials had promised to make at least 90 percent of the trainer jet in the United States.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
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That's only 2 hours from me. That's pretty cool.
 
Birdog357 said:
TomS said:
Birdog357 said:
Mark Nankivil said:
TomS said:
Adventurer104 said:
Do we know how it was shipped?
Air or sea?
Click to expand...

The Saab parts for the demonstration aircraft were flown to the US. Probably the same for this example. Ultimately they'll be made in the US, and will likely be trucked between sites.
Click to expand...
Saab plans on setting up a production facility in Indiana once the production contract was firmed up.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
Click to expand...
Do you know where in Indiana?
Click to expand...

West Lafayette.

www.defensenews.com

Saab to build new plant in Indiana for T-X trainer jet

Saab and Boeing officials had promised to make at least 90 percent of the trainer jet in the United States.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
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That's only 2 hours from me. That's pretty cool.
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Hopefully they'll offer tours?
 
AeroFranz said:
IIRC wing rock afflicted the Super Bug too. I think there was some physical fix implemented (which doesn't mean software was part of the solution too).
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IIRC, they used a porous material at the hinge which allows air to flow from the high pressure low side to the low pressure top side. I don't know if it's acting as an aerodynamic fence to stop span wise flow or if it's just re-energizing the boundary layer airflow on the top of the wing to prevent separation in a critical area. Both?
 
Ingraman said:
From Finnish airshow me think.
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Well, hello there. From Boeing's website: "The T-7A’s design includes provisions for growth as requirements evolve for additional missions such as an aggressor, light attack / fighter variant." Scant public information on this development from what I can tell from a rather cursory search, but that seems like a pretty specific loadout. Any more info on this?
 
Is the designation "TF-7A" just for the Finnish proposal or also for a US proposal?
 

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