System 9-A-7660 Kinzhal - 9-S-7760 missile (Article 292) / AS-24 KILLJOY

Fighterbomber telegram channel said they indeed launch new weapon, but people can't mention the name (including the Fighterbomber himself). So in his opinion "Kinzhal" name is used as placeholder.
Maybe it was new smaller missile with similar characteristic, but who know
 
flateric said:
Another TASS trustful source told you so?
So why crew 'was nominated with state awards' then?
I'd also suggest someone to try to place Kinzhal on Su-34 C/L hardpoints in any CAD...
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There were no explosions anywhere except the Izmail area, which was the result of 30+ drones, in the last 24 hours according to Livemap.
 
flateric said:
Why have you decided it did happen in the last 24 hours?
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Because it was indicated on Livemap within the last 24 hours. If you can suggest where you think it hit please do so.

Alifzero said:
Fighterbomber telegram channel said they indeed launch new weapon, but people can't mention the name (including the Fighterbomber himself). So in his opinion "Kinzhal" name is used as placeholder.
Maybe it was new smaller missile with similar characteristic, but who know
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Hindustan Crimes is also reporting it as a Kinzhal within last 24 hours. It also references the drone strike on Izmail, but makes no mention of where the Kinzhal is supposed to have landed.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6SLv8wFliw
 
Forest Green said:
Because it was indicated on Livemap within the last 24 hours. If you can suggest where you think it hit please do so.
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Where in original TASS piece do you see the event timeframe?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1698517519470895407
View: https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1698517519470895407

tass.com

Russian Su-34 uses Kinzhal hypersonic missile in special op â official

"The first crew who successfully accomplished such a task will receive state awards," the official said
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Mentioning Hindustan Times as independent confirmation ...are you kidding?
 
flateric said:
Where in original TASS piece do you see the event timeframe?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1698517519470895407
View: https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1698517519470895407

tass.com

Russian Su-34 uses Kinzhal hypersonic missile in special op â official

"The first crew who successfully accomplished such a task will receive state awards," the official said
tass.com tass.com
Mentioning Hindustan Times as another first-hand source ...are you kidding?
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Well there is a date at the bottom of both that tweet and the telegram. Coverage by most parties has been hourly, otherwise it's not really news.
 
Why use the Flanker? I doubt they have so many Kinzhals laying around that the available MiG-31s can't handle them, and you'd get more range from the higher launch altitude/speed form the Foxhound.
 
Agree with the above. It seems very impractical, given the existing dedicated launch platforms and difficulties mounting such an oversized store on the Su-34. It isn’t like there are an over abundance of this rocket type such that additional carriers were needed. Seems more likely the information is inaccurate in some way.
 
sferrin said:
Why use the Flanker? I doubt they have so many Kinzhals laying around that the available MiG-31s can't handle them, and you'd get more range from the higher launch altitude/speed form the Foxhound.
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Suppose it is like most technical organizations in that we love gathering extra data points. "Why? Because it was there like Everest. And now we know."

Also, there may be foreseeable circumstances that there might arise availability issues with the Foxhound fleet flying so many hours and having a more strategically important role in and out of theatre. Doesn't even have to be maintenance problems. Just not having enough airframes to go around. Only a handful have received the Kinzhal modification, reportedly, and how many do you want to semi-permanently remove from the ADF role and turn into a fairly limited ballistic missile carrier? Aren't the Foxhounds an interim solution themselves waiting for Tu-160's to get modernized?
 
Russia doesn't currently seem to be in a situation where arbitrary resource use would be advisable. We'll see what further information developes.
 
_Del_ said:
Only a handful have received the Kinzhal modification, reportedly, and how many do you want to semi-permanently remove from the ADF role and turn into a fairly limited ballistic missile carrier? Aren't the Foxhounds an interim solution themselves waiting for Tu-160's to get modernized?
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None of the Kinzhal MiG-31s were converted from modernized MiG-31s (BM version?), from my understanding. The missile carriers were unmodernized storage MiG-31s with the A2A system stripped out. As such there are plenty to use for further conversions if necessary; the actual modernized MiG-31 fleet does not contribute to the air launched ballistic missile fleet.

I had heard that Tu-22M3 was to also get Kinzhal but I've seen no documented cases of conversion. I consider Tu-160 an extremely unlikely launch platform because it would involve internal carriage.
 
First combat use of the "Kinzhal" has been implemented by the crew of сolonel Stefanov sometime during SMO. Not yesterday and even not a week but maybe month or two ago.
 

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Perhaps one reason the Su-34 is being looked at as a launcher for the AS-24 is that it's still in production while the MiG-31 has been out of production for over 30 years and there's only a limited number of airframes available.
 
QuadroFX said:
First combat use of the "Kinzhal" has been implemented by the crew of сolonel Stefanov sometime during SMO. Not yesterday and even not a week but maybe month or two ago.
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Turns out it is a misinformation, about Kinzhal integration on Su-34.

G-translated post from the LostArmour forum.

Mihas-Migel
Pancho Villa

1 hour ago

Stefanov M.A. serves in Akhtubinsk, an employee of the GLITs, head (!) of 267 lits, Deputy head of 929 glits, worked in the Mig-31K with Dagger and Su-57. He received the Hero of Russia in December 2022 ....
There are more questions for the scribblers of this poster ... "(C)
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flateric said:
Another TASS trustful source told you so?
So why crew 'was nominated with state awards' then?
I'd also suggest someone to try to place Kinzhal on Su-34 C/L hardpoints in any CAD...
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Just from seeing one under a MiG-31 makes it look like you'd need a long pylon to get the Kinzhal to just clear both engine nacelles, and then you need to worry about scraping the Kinzhal on the ground!
 
Forest Green said:
I was led to believe that the Kinzhal was anti-ship capable, guess not if this is a new thing.
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Russian propaganda would have you that the AS-24 Killjoy is this shit brand new unbeatable hypersonic missile when in reality it's just an air launched version of the SS-26 SRBM (Developed by the Soviets just prior to the USSR's collapse) and it can be shot-down as the Ukrainians have done with PAC3s.
 
Too much propaganda from all sides to make assumptions. Ruskies have a penchant for hyperbole but usually if a stated goal of a weapon has been clearly defined by them it would be wise to assume it indeed can accomplish such a mission. Or at least the missile passed state tests along those parameters. Also sometimes a weapon system is brought in early before all it's capabilities are fleshed out. This is common when other aspects of the weapon system are not yet available. Could be certain aspects about the missile that is lacking or the platform or target designating systems are not ready yet.

Or it could indeed be propaganda. This is a possibility especially during heated times such as we are in.
 
Some speculation on Kinzhal-MD.

armyrecognition.com

FOCUS | Future Russian missiles: more range, more destruction, more sneaky, more dangerous for Europe.

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The first option is when the range increase occurs in the same way as implemented in the Iskander-1000 missile, using a new, more efficient fuel, while simultaneously increasing its volume by about 10 to 15% and reducing the warhead mass to 300 kilograms, without significant changes in the weight and size characteristics of the rocket. In this case, the flight range of the hypersonic missile of the Kinzhal-D complex can be about 1,500 kilometers without taking into account the radius of the carrier; this version of the Kinzhal-MD will be used from the existing MiG-31K carriers.
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A two-stage missile of the Kinzhal-MD complex in this configuration may have a flight range of about 2,000 to 2,500 kilometers without taking into account the radius of the carrier
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The question is this, how many AS-24 Killjoys does the Russian airforce currently have in its' inventory? The western embargoes on high-end ICs will no doubt severely impact the rate at which the missiles avionics are produced.
 
NMaude said:
The question is this, how many AS-24 Killjoys does the Russian airforce currently have in its' inventory? The western embargoes on high-end ICs will no doubt severely impact the rate at which the missiles avionics are produced.
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Black market is likely bypassing them sadly.
 
Forest Green said:
Black market is likely bypassing them sadly.
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A distinct possibility but the question is are they able to get mil-spec ICs or are they having to rely commercial ICs? If the latter it could cause a degradation in the missile's performance.
 
NMaude said:
A distinct possibility but the question is are they able to get mil-spec ICs or are they having to rely commercial ICs? If the latter it could cause a degradation in the missile's performance.
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That has been a issue with the none spec chips being noticablely vulnerable to milspec jammers.

Plus even with the black market Russia only getting a slight handful of the needed parts forcing them to wait MONTHS between Cruise Missile salvos or only able to do 1 or 2 a week compare to prior firings.
 
Firefinder said:
Plus even with the black market Russia only getting a slight handful of the needed parts forcing them to wait MONTHS between Cruise Missile salvos or only able to do 1 or 2 a week compare to prior firings.
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Not the case sadly.
 
Needs to be pointed out that Russia was averaging a 30 missile, proper missiles like Kaliber or Kintz, attack every week for a decent the first year or so of the war.

Then they to 5 every other week for most of 2023, only picking up during the winter months.

Now its been a surge of 10 for a few weeks with a month or three between surges. And thats only after Kursk happened.

When you remove the dirt simple Sharads you see that the proper high end missiles have basically vanish from most attacks. Only popping up in major terror attacks before disappearing again.

With most of said missiles getting soft killed due to using the civi gear.
 
Firefinder said:
Needs to be pointed out that Russia was averaging a 30 missile, proper missiles like Kaliber or Kintz, attack every week for a decent the first year or so of the war.

Then they to 5 every other week for most of 2023, only picking up during the winter months.

Now its been a surge of 10 for a few weeks with a month or three between surges. And thats only after Kursk happened.

When you remove the dirt simple Sharads you see that the proper high end missiles have basically vanish from most attacks. Only popping up in major terror attacks before disappearing again.

With most of said missiles getting soft killed due to using the civi gear.
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Fair enough, I've kind of forgotten about the first few months. They've been making up the gap with Shaheds now.
 

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