Sukhoi Su-57 / T-50 / PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II [2012-current]

[TomcatViP]

View: https://youtu.be/Zid1Nv-FfyQ

From the aviationist:

Listen To The Cool Howling Sound Of The Russian Su-57 Felon Engines In This Awesome Clip

An interesting video lets you hear the distinctive sound of the Russian Air Force new generation Su-57 Felon jet. This video, featuring four Russian Air

theaviationist.com

 

[GARGEAN]

Gosh, why are those articles SO poorly written? Is this even paid or like free blogspot for "enthusiasts"?

 

[haavarla]

theavionist.com is sh1t.. always has been.

 

[GARGEAN]

To be honest... What isn't shit today?

 

[Cannonfodder43]

It's rather puzzling to me that many main stream sources don't follow the Su-57 all that closely.

They only recently heard of this noise from the radar blockers and many thought it caused by other intake interactions.

And don't get me started on the other stupid stuff said about it on Twitter threads.

 

[stealthflanker]

cant walt to see the actual size of the missile itself, since it has a better chance getting equipped than the klevok-d2.

Max weapon bay width is estimated at 1 meter correct?

Yes about that size as it's supposed to carry a pair of Kh-69's

 

[tequilashooter]

News sources I use are izvestia, ria, bmpdlivejournal, rostec news, tass, vesti, naukatehnika, and vpk news. Of course nothing beats getting aviation news straight from lockheed or sukhoi regarding aircrafts or companies dealing with aviation weapons and electronics

 

[haavarla]

News sources I use are izvestia, ria, bmpdlivejournal, rostec news, tass, vesti, naukatehnika, and vpk news. Of course nothing beats getting aviation news straight from lockheed or sukhoi regarding aircrafts or companies dealing with aviation weapons and electronics

One should be carefull claiming one source is better vs other sources. But i do read CombatAircraft Monthly, International Air and so on. Some of the stuff is mediocre, some the stuff about Russian Aviation is actually quite good.. and yes some of their stuff is bad. But articles in general is better written(compared to theavionist.com) from people whom has a long standing expirience with Aviation.
And yes i do use some of the sources you mention above too.

 

[Archibald]

Gosh, why are those articles SO poorly written? Is this even paid or like free blogspot for "enthusiasts"?

I call such poorly written articles... felon-y ! (runs for cover...)

 

[Cannonfodder43]

Tests of the Su-57 in Akhtubinsk: a training air battle between the Su-35S fighter and the 5th generation Su-57 fighter. (google translated)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1364324520073568262

View: https://twitter.com/StasSwanky/status/1364324520073568262

 

[GARGEAN]

I hope they won't forget to put ammunition out of 35 this time...

 

[Maro.Kyo]

Message from Russia to Turkey: "We Are Ready to Negotiate for Su-35 and Su-57" - C4 Defence

Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russia answered reporters' questions about talks on the sale of Su-35s and Su-57s to Turkey.

www.c4defence.com

From few days ago. Guess Russia sees the opportunity in Turkey. On the other hand, regardless of if it will fail or succeed (let's forget about it for a second), their own TF-X is as big as Flankers. It also seems like the Turkish engineers are very confident about their plans so I don't really think it will materialize... as of yet.

 

[GARGEAN]

Let's be honest: being very confident and really achieving something are two very different things.

 

[Maro.Kyo]

Let's be honest: being very confident and really achieving something are two very different things.

Well, if they're not confident how would a project start in the first place? So every failed projects had confident engineers at first I would say. You know, unless the engineers are against it but decision makers just push it through.

 

[Josh_TN]

It seems unlikely that Turkey gets F-35, so I suppose The Sultan might as well jump into bed with the Russians with both feet.

 

[tequilashooter]

Let's be honest: being very confident and really achieving something are two very different things.

Turkey hmmm lets see what their past articles claim.

100+ syrian tanks destroyed in a very small squabble with Syria when they are the ones that signed a ceasefire agreement with Russia as seen with Erdogan sitting next to Putin under a Catherine the great statue.
Engineers stating they will boost the SOM from a 100nmi to 2,500km range https://www.haberturk.com/ekonomi/teknoloji/haber/705814-tubitak-2014-hedefi
Crediting their TB2 for destroying 1980s Armenian S-300s when it was an Israeli kamikaze drone.
I am sure there is more if I try.

Avia.pro, the aviationist, even the onion don't got shit on Turkish claims. I mean sure the U.S. and Russia do tend to BS a little but nothing compared to the likes of Turkey. I am having a hard time trying to follow the news on the TAI TFX than I do with the Su-57, F-35 or F-22(modernization plan news) because of this.

 

[TR1]

That statement by the Russian side is extremely generic.

It doesn't mean Su-57 deliveries are actually being considered (and I don't think they would, not while Turkey is still in NATO).

 

[Grey Havoc]

not while Turkey is still in NATO

Though, how long more will that remain the case?

 

[TomcatViP]

Russia receives requests for Su-57E fighters from foreign customers

The Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation has confirmed that it has received a number of requests from foreign customers for the Su-57E multirole fighter aircraft, an official spokesman of the Service told at the IDEX-2021 defense exhibition in Abu Dhabi. “Requests were...

defence-blog.com

Wait... Have we heard the USAF about that in their quest for the ultimate 4.5++ gen fighter?

 

[TR1]

https://russianplanes.net/images/to281000/280435.jpg

 

[LMFS]

Wait... Have we heard the USAF about that in their quest for the ultimate 4.5++ gen fighter?

xD

The Su-57 is overkill, but maybe they can ask Rostec about their new project...

 

[tequilashooter]

Sorry for being random but can the estimated 6 meter GZUR with a 1,500kg weight be carried externally like the Kab-1500 on the Su-57? I will kick back and relax until further details like the Gremlin come later.

 

[Saber]

Russia receives requests for Su-57E fighters from foreign customers

The Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation has confirmed that it has received a number of requests from foreign customers for the Su-57E multirole fighter aircraft, an official spokesman of the Service told at the IDEX-2021 defense exhibition in Abu Dhabi. “Requests were...

defence-blog.com

Wait... Have we heard the USAF about that in their quest for the ultimate 4.5++ gen fighter?

It's 2021 and you're seriously trying to claim that the Su-57 isn't a fifth gen?

 

[TR1]

Rostec doesn't actually do anything

Russia receives requests for Su-57E fighters from foreign customers

The Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation has confirmed that it has received a number of requests from foreign customers for the Su-57E multirole fighter aircraft, an official spokesman of the Service told at the IDEX-2021 defense exhibition in Abu Dhabi. “Requests were...

defence-blog.com

Wait... Have we heard the USAF about that in their quest for the ultimate 4.5++ gen fighter?

It's 2021 and you're seriously trying to claim that the Su-57 isn't a fifth gen?

I think Tomcat is more implying a 4.5++++ gen makes even less sense with proliferating 5th gens (whenever that is).



But, don't worry, I am sure WarIsBoring will soon print an article claiming the F-15EX is a more advanced air-frame than the Su-57.
They are still figuring out that the Su-57 was never in risk of being cancelled though, it might take a while.

 

[Josh_TN]

not while Turkey is still in NATO

Though, how long more will that remain the case?

Probably indefinitely; there is no mechanism to remove them unless they themselves quite the organization, which seems incredibly unlikely. If nothing else they'd want to remain part of NATO just to remove Article 5 as a consequence of any conflict with Greece.

 

[GARGEAN]

But, don't worry, I am sure WarIsBoring will soon print an article claiming the F-15EX is a more advanced air-frame than the Su-57

Too late, RAND did that already

 

[Ejajjs]

In February,2021, for three days, MAI magistracy students got acquainted with the workshops of KnAAZ, studied in practice the principles of the functioning of real production on the example of the serial production of military aircraft Su-35S and Su-57

 

[LVisingr]

Probably indefinitely; there is no mechanism to remove them unless they themselves quite the organization, which seems incredibly unlikely. If nothing else they'd want to remain part of NATO just to remove Article 5 as a consequence of any conflict with Greece.

I know that this is off-topic, but actually, there IS a way to expel someone from NATO:

https://www.justsecurity.org/66574/can-turkey-be-expelled-from-nato/

 

[Excalibur66]

Upgraded 30mm gun test.

Dambiev

Наземные тестовые стрельбы модернизированного варианта 30-мм авиационной пушки ГШ-30-1 (9-А-4071К), входящей в состав вооружения истребителя Су-57.

t.me

 

[haavarla]

So here is a question for you!
They still opt for a big 30mm autocanon on the Felon.
And on most if not every Flanker, there they put on a extra protection skin for the muzzle force and heat.

So now they can do without, and never mind the more senitive skin of a 5th gen fighter here?

 

[Grey Havoc]

So now they can do without, and never mind the more senitive skin of a 5th gen fighter here?

Some sort of new built in heat sink and/or cooling system?

 

[stealthflanker]

Or just the fact that if one have to resort to cannon it's already an SHTF situation where stealth dont matter.

The pilot might got some hair dryer treatment from the maintenance crew perhaps.

 

[TR1]

Not a new photo, but I did not see it in this size before:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu4JbXmXUAAzNCs?format=jpg&name=large

 

[QuadroFX]

View: https://youtu.be/7Q--6h8hQZI

 

[tequilashooter]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-to-air-missile-since-the-end-of-the-cold-war

"As well as being more compact to fit in the weapons bays, the K-74M2 importantly adds a seeker from the Russian Azov AOMZ company, plus a rocket motor with increased burn time, for longer range."

«Россия стряхивает пыль с запоздалой ракеты»: западный обозреватель о возобновлении работ над ракетой 300М

Россия спустя десятилетия возобновила работы над ракетой малой дальности авиационного базирования. Москва стряхивает пыль с запоздалой ракеты, предназначенной для ближнего воздушного боя … Есть признаки того, что Россия предпринимает шаги, призванные восполнить этот пробел в своем арсенале

topwar.ru

the author writes, explaining that the modernization of the R-74M (or M1), which has improved defeat capabilities and increased detection range at the GSN, was presented only in 2016. A further version of the P-74M2, which involves the replacement of infrared GSN, is in the final stages of testing.
A completely new product should be 300M. However, the current R-74M1 missile in its export form RVV-MD "faces growing problems in traditional markets."
China has a much more powerful infrared-guided MISSILE, the PL-10, while India has purchased a "British missile" ASRAAM for some of its non-Russian-made aircraft and is exploring the possibility of integrating it with the Su-30MKI.

So K-74M is where they are at, The K-74M2 has a longer range, better seeker and reduced cross section(smaller size or stealth material) and the Izdeliye 300M is to replace the Archer series?

 

[tequilashooter]

The project of the unmanned complex of group use "Lightning"

The leadership of the military department gets acquainted with the new UAV. Photo of the RF Ministry of Defense The Russian defense industry is working on new concepts and solutions in the field of unmanned aircraft. Recently it became known that the Kronstadt company, which has already created...

en.topwar.ru

One way or another, the presented layout looks like a cruise missile, and its appearance speaks of the use of stealth technologies. The aircraft is built according to a normal scheme, it has a wing that can be folded in flight and a V-shaped tail. The fuselage received a curved top surface and an almost flat bottom. The design of the bow indicates the use of a radio-transparent fairing. An air intake recessed into the fuselage is provided in the central part of the product. The nozzle is flat with a V-shaped cut.

According to the source of RIA Novosti, the length of the Molniya vehicle will reach 1,5 m, and the wingspan will be 1,2 m. The weight of the product has not been disclosed, but the payload is indicated at the level of 5-7 kg. UAVs of this appearance can be transported by different carrier aircraft. In particular, it will be able to fit into the internal compartments of the Su-57 fighter.

According to the same source, the Molniya's turbojet propulsion system will provide a flight at a speed of 700-800 km / h. The flight range is hundreds of kilometers. The start will be carried out from the carrier. Landing method unknown.

The Molniya project proposes to transport light drones on carrier aircraft of various types. A wide range of vehicles is considered in this capacity - from promising Su-57 fighters to converted military transport aircraft. It is also possible to use light UAVs together with the heavy S-70 "Okhotnik". Obviously, different carriers will carry a different number of light drones, and this will affect the organization of combat work.

New drones are being developed for swarm use. Several vehicles must fly and perform the task together - independently or in interaction with a manned aircraft. Such functions are the main goal of the project, towards which all efforts will be directed.



Reminds me of the Xzibit meme, Yo dawg I heard you like drones, so I created a heavy drone you can control to control several other drones.

 

[robunos]

Looks like the LM 'Speed Racer' . . .

cheers,
Robin.

 

[tequilashooter]

I am still trying to find the appeal here of using this drone.

Su-57 flying 100kms in the back with the Su-70 in the front, while the Su-70 uses those drones to hunt personnel or automobiles because of its fairly light payload?

Su-57 flying 100kms in the back with the Su-70 in the front, while the Su-70 uses those drones to scout for an aerial target with dual homing (active/passive) capabilities? claimed turbojet engine and speeds makes me assume its speeds are for higher altitude purposes than regular drones for air to ground missions and that the payload is enough for aerial targets. Or sharing their homing capabilities to its other lightning drones, su-70 and Su-57 to decide when to fire air to air missiles. Swarm suggests air fighters engaging them until they run out of missiles?

 

[Avimimus]

So here is a question for you!
They still opt for a big 30mm autocanon on the Felon.
And on most if not every Flanker, there they put on a extra protection skin for the muzzle force and heat.

So now they can do without, and never mind the more senitive skin of a 5th gen fighter here?

It isn't exactly a big gun (46kg). It is half the weight of a 20mm Vulcan cannon (even the light weight A2 version) and the 27mm Bk-27 used in Europe...

It only carries 150 rounds, and fires them with a 25 round cutoff... and there is no need to fire it outside of combat (except perhaps for calibration).

 

[TMA1]

yeah they have clearly minimized it to an extreme degree. kind of a one in a million last ditch weapon.