Sukhoi FSW Fighters from S-22 / S-32 to S-37 / Su-47 Berkut

[T-50]

No it isnt its from the early su-35 Terminator I believe with western MFDs.

 

[flanker]

"Terminator" is Su-37, not -35. After making this thread, i remembered that Su-37 also tested the side stick. So, the pictures must come from Su-37.

 

[firewill]

If I remember correct, this one is defferent from number 711 cockpit, according the polygon series book about flanker family, dose the plane change panel layout during it's life?

 

[Scorpion82]

Those cockpit images are from the former Su-37 demonstrator (711) from the mid 90s. The aircraft with redesignated to Su-35 and received a new cockpit layout from 2000. Some sources indicated that this cockpit layout (that in the images) has been used by the Su-47 as well, don't if its true.

 

[Deino]

Regarding the S-37's new weapons bay - IMO a replica of the T-50's - there's a picture published in the latest Fug Revue (03.2010 / page 14) with the open bay right brom the bottom ... sadly my scanner is out of order and therefore only via the camera.

Does anyone have a better one ... or even the original one ?? ???


Deino

 

[flateric]

is magazine gives credit to someone for this photo?

 

[Deino]

Yes !

Fotos: Suchoi, Butowski

Deino

 

[flateric]

dunno who made it, editorial staff may remove credits (I'd surely do this)
PB is usually cautious about stuff like this, and this is understandable - one photo doesn't worth amount of problems it can cause
all I know is photos of C-37 shot with open bay (it was during recent tests phase) are deliberately PSed by authors - to get off troubles

 

[flanker]

WOW! Thank you so much for that pic!

 

[flateric]

little present from me

 

[Trident]

Nice - most gratefully received

 

[Deino]

Regarding the weapons bay ... it looks in that form on the picture as it can only hold two missilies (maybe its here only configured for larger loads) ... Do You know if the bay has several options for different missiles or just these two launchers ??

Deino

 

[flateric]

as an option, yes
it either can be real bay capacity, or tests of launcher arrangement for something larger than Product 180, say, Kh-58
if Raptor bay could be accomodated for various number of launchers and payload, why it could not be made for T-50
previously it was said that "each bay can carry minimum two missiles"
but, once more, who knows...

 

[Matej]

I also think it has several options. Otherwise there will be four weapon bays only for the six stores - its hardly optimal. And Greg -cool photo

 

[flateric]

early pre-production version of S-37 cockpit layout from preliminary edition of a/c operations manual ca.1995
thanks to runner

 

[flanker]

Posted originally here some time ago.

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scalemodels.ru

And there is a lot of talking about wings folding on Su-47...Apparently Runner has a pic, but couldn't show it to everyone...

 

[flanker]

Just slightly better and bigger version of the picture that surfaced very recently.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

So - in this pic we see the S-37 Berkut early version with inward canted fins. But what is the black painted aircraft immediately behind it? Wingtip ECM pods. Berkut-ish. Wings look slightly swept forward. Hard to see detail... but looks different to S-37 to me.

 

[Stargazer]

Sure is different. It's got canted tail fins à la F-23 and shorter, less angled forward swept wings with wingtip cannisters or whatever that may be.

 

[hesham]

I think it is FSW also my dear Paul,


but want a long time of search,and looks like S-52;


http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/fightersSF03.htm

 

[Stargazer]

Sorry for this being very crudely done, and probably full of inaccuracies, but what I see here is as follows:

• Short, slight-forward swept wings, coupled with large canards near the wing's leading edge.
• Outwardly canted tail triangular tail fins.
• Dented rear end with exhausts blended into the rear fuselage.
• Deeper and shorter fuselage, slightly rounded off on top.
• A grill at the top suggesting this could be a vectored thrust kind of VTOL fighter.

Of course, as I said this is only MY understanding of this very blurry image. Do you know the source for it?

 

[VTOLicious]

hmm, STOVL engines/liftfan resp. auxiliary/dorsal air inlets?

 

[flateric]

I think it is FSW also my dear Paul,


but want a long time of search,and looks like S-52;


http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/fightersSF03.htm

That's not S-52. That's called "Rhytm" and made by TsAGI

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Image is from the Simonov biography. I have a low res PDF only, thats the best I could do.

 

[Stargazer]

Isn't this supposed to be TsAGI's "Rytm"? It is single-tailed and has no dorsal inlets.

 

[Stargazer]

Found this page on the "Rytm". It clearly is different from Paul's photo:

http://paralay.com/s37.html

However, the mysterious aircraft looks a bit like an early configuration of the S-32 (below left):

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Flateric was saying Hesham's link was Rhytm, not the model in the photo.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Flateric for the correcting,


and for my dear Paul,also the aircraft looks like this one;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2122.15.html

 

[YF23]

I think it is one of few variants of the Su T-12 - Sh-90 program (1984-1989).
More at: http://paralay.net/sh90.html

 

[flateric]

it's not

 

[Spook]

Image is from the Simonov biography. I have a low res PDF only, thats the best I could do.

Can you please share the PDF file with us? :
Thank you,

 

[flateric]

S-45

 

[Spook]

More Information on "S-45", perhaps?! :

Thanks,

 

[paralay]

http://paralay.com/s45/s37&s45.JPG

http://paralay.com/s45/S-45_draw.jpg

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Nice drawing of S-45. How accurate? Single AL-31F engine?

 

[yasotay]

I am way out of my area of knowledge, but the landing gear seems very tall and narrow for a shipborne aircraft (cg far from the point of rotation).

 

[paralay]

R179-300 or AL-41F (izd. 20)

 

[paralay]

I am way out of my area of knowledge, but the landing gear seems very tall and narrow for a shipborne aircraft (cg far from the point of rotation).

The height of the landing gear is coordinated with a single photograph

 

[fightingirish]

Source: Jets - March-April 2016 -page 80

 

[blackkite]

S-22?

Google Traduction

And.

За пару лет до «Беркута»: крыло обратной стреловидности и КБ Сухого

Очень часто случается так, что наиболее известные вещи являются в прямом смысле только «верхушками айсберга». Такая ситуация сложилась и с одним из интереснейших проектов конструкторского бюро имени П.О. Сухого. Их экспериментальный самолет С-37 – он же Су-47, он же «Беркут» – лет пятнадцать назад

translate.google.fr

Google Traduction

"The "Dry(Sukhoi)" has already had experience in the design of light (up to 20 m) single-engine fighter with wings - Project C-22. "

I think that air intake shape is different between this plan view and this wind tunnel test model.