Sukarno stays in power - what would Asutralia do?

[Blue Weasel]

in 1970 there was no TNI-N lmao

ALRI (The Navy of the Republic of Indonesia)

 

[Blue Weasel]

A bit about Indonesian ORBAT

Btw as far as I'm concerned ALRI was going to purchase 2nd Sverdlov class cruiser had there was no coup in 1965. I couldn't find the source, but there's one surfacing on Twitter years ago.

A fleet of Yak-25 interceptor is being considered to escort the Tu-16KS, so maybe Yak-25 instead of MiG-25

https://twitter.com/x/status/1642098139653115905

View: https://x.com/yudisupri_454/status/1642098139653115905



Also by 1970, I expect the Indonesian navy to be equipped with proper attack jets (Su-17?) Because by 1962, the navy had already borrowed 6-8 MiG-17 from the air force, nucleus for the eventual navy strike squadron

 

[Dilandu]

A bit about Indonesian ORBAT

Btw as far as I'm concerned ALRI was going to purchase 2nd Sverdlov class cruiser had there was no coup in 1965. I couldn't find the source, but there's one surfacing on Twitter years ago.

A fleet of Yak-25 interceptor is being considered to escort the Tu-16KS, so maybe Yak-25 instead of MiG-25

Very interesting data! Thank you!

 

[kocovgoce]

1975

 

[kocovgoce]

English Electric Thunderbird​

 

[Dilandu]

English Electric Thunderbird

As far as I know, Australia never operated Thunderbirds, so the deal clearly fell through.

 

[Scott Kenny]

As far as I know, Australia never operated Thunderbirds, so the deal clearly fell through.

Deal would be more likely if Indonesia was a larger threat.

 

[Rule of cool]

The article says Australia was buying them because the British were retiring them, in the same year Australia ordered the Rapier. I doubt the article is correct.

 

[Dilandu]

The article says Australia was buying them because the British were retiring them, in the same year Australia ordered the Rapier. I doubt the article is correct.

Likely that retired Thunderbirds were proposed as one of possible SAM options, in case Australians would not like the Rapier.

Deal would be more likely if Indonesia was a larger threat.

Frankly, Bloodhound Mk-2 looks like much better choice. It have longer range, better performance, stay powered all flight (i.e. more useful against maneuvering targets) and most importantly, it's still in service and in production. So Australians would not face risk of being left without spare parts or technical support.

 

[Dilandu]

Speaking of air defense, IMHO, Australia would need about 3 Bloodhound Mk-2 squadrons (each of four sections, each section composed of 1 radar and 6-8 launchers)

* One to cover Darwin and Tindall area (2 sections per each - i.e. 2 radars and 12-16 launchers per site)
* One to cover Perth area, including HMAS Stirling naval base (2 sections) and Curtin and Learmonth AFBs (1 section per each)
* One to protect Townsville (2 sections) and Sherger AFBs (1 sections per each) and offer additional protection to Brisbane (1 section)

I.e. it would require 12 radars and 72-96 launchers (likely about 144-192 missiles)


If additional resources are available, it may be reasonable to provide area defense to Sydney and Canberra - at least to be able to avoid assignig interceptors here.

 

[ArtosStark]

So, I could definitely be wrong on this, but I understand that the beginning of Sukarno’s fall was the 1965 30 September Movement. If that had not happened, and Sukarno stays in power, the way things were going with the Fifth Force, it seemed like there was a possible confrontation coming between the Communists and the Military (indeed, some see the Sept 30 movement as either this or an Army attempt to preempt such a confrontation).

In this context, there could be either a full communist state in Indonesia by 1970 or a civil war with one side attempting to create one. Which may reduce the maximal navy and air forces available to the traditional military arms.

Additionally, didn’t Indonesia turn a bit towards China in the later years of Sukarno’s rule? If so, would the USSR have been willing to provide them with all the arms listed earlier in the thread?

 

[kocovgoce]

The article says Australia was buying them because the British were retiring them, in the same year Australia ordered the Rapier. I doubt the article is correct.

It's not true, I'm making them up to make a fiction out of the whole situation in the 70s.
They were made in Photoshop by me, for example, what Australia or Indonesia would do in the event of a crisis in that part of the world.

 

[Dilandu]

It's not true, I'm making them up to make a fiction out of the whole situation in the 70s.
They were made in Photoshop by me, for example, what Australia or Indonesia would do in the event of a crisis in that part of the world.

Erm... with all respect, but... FICTIONAL MATERIALS MUST BE LABELED AS FICTIONAL. Too often the alternate history works got mistaken as real, and becane a presistent myth.

 

[kocovgoce]

Erm... with all respect, but... FICTIONAL MATERIALS MUST BE LABELED AS FICTIONAL. Too often the alternate history works got mistaken as real, and becane a presistent myth.

Okay, I won't post posts like this anymore.

 

[Dilandu]

Okay, I won't post posts like this anymore.

Just clarify under picture that it's AH, and the problem would be solved.

 

[kocovgoce]

AH indicates an alternative history