Spanish/Egyptian HA-300 supersonic fighter project

[Dronte]

HA-300 1:1 wooden scale model

Initial design of the HA-300

Derived twin-engine H-310

 

[glmm]

I find it very similar to C-101. Does anybody know if there was any conection between Messerschmitt and HASA?.

IIRC, both MBB and Northrop were involved in the C-101 design effort. Northrop did also help in the devlopment o the contemporary Taiiwanese AIDC AT-3 trainer which also bore a semblance to the C-101 (wings and center fuselaje) and used the same engine.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

HA-300 was designed by a small German design team under Willy Messerschmitt and Gero Madelung as a Mach 1.3-1.5 fighter powered by a single afterburning Orpheus turbojet.

A full scale glider, HA-300P, was completed by Hispano in 1959. In 1960 the Spanish government terminated the program and it was transferred to Egypt. At the same time Ferdinand Brandner (ex Junkers and latterly Kuznetsov) was invited to Egypt to work on suitable engine, designated "E-300-A".

First flight of the HA-300 was 7 March 1964 with Orpheus engines. The E-300 engine was tested in flight from 1966 on an An-12, and the first flight of an E-300 engined HA-300 was expected to begin mid July 1969. Six weeks before this, the German team found themselves barred from the Helouan factory and the program, airframe and engine, was abandoned.

Source:
Air International May 1975

 

[elmayerle]

Supposedly the E-300 was flight-tested in a HF-24 loaned by the Indians with an eye toward re-engining the HF-24. Does anyone know if this aircraft flew in Indian or Eqyptian markings?

 

[Archibald]

...and according to Le Fana, the An-12 fitted with the turbojet was damaged by IAF vautours at Louxor during the 6-day war...
Picure of the eurotrainer figured in Le fana de l'aviation of July 2004 in the ACF article (context)
Now we have to see pictures of the He-012

 

[richard B]

many thanks for all those info,but have anyone a pic of the HA 400?

 

[boxkite]

A full scale glider, HA-300P, was completed by Hispano in 1959. In 1960 the Spanish government terminated the program and it was transferred to Egypt. At the same time Ferdinand Brandner (ex Junkers and latterly Kuznetsov) was invited to Egypt to work on suitable engine, designated "E-300-A".

Btw, further E-300 versions were planned at the end of the 1960s:

· E-300C for civil purpose without afterburner, thrust 3,000 to 3,200 kp, length 2,500 mm, diameter 840 mm, weight 740 kg, specific comsumption 0.86 to 0.87 kg/kp.h
· E-300AF with an rear fan (oh my English! :– do you know, what I want to say?), thrust 4,600 kp, length 3,000 mm, diameter 1,200 mm, specific comsumption 0.65 kg/kp.h
· E-300PX with 60 % more air throughput/quantity (60 kg/sec), length 2,500 mm, diameter 840 mm, weight 760 kg, specific comsumption 0.86 kg/kp.h
· E-300PX/W – version with water with methanol injection, weight 800 kg

The military E-300A with afterburner had a thrust of 4,800 kp, weight 860 kg, length 4,300 mm, diameter 840 mm, specific comsumption 1 kg/kp.h.

SOURCE: “Der Flieger” 7/1968 (pg 257/258)

 

[TinWing]

First flight of the HA-300 was 7 March 1964 with Orpheus engines. The E-300 engine was tested in flight from 1966 on an An-12, and the first flight of an E-300 engined HA-300 was expected to begin mid July 1969. Six weeks before this, the German team found themselves barred from the Helouan factory and the program, airframe and engine, was abandoned.

Source:
Air International May 1975

By 1969, this project was hardly "cutting edge," and it hard to imagine Egypt continuing funding for a domestic fighter when the Soviets were willing to supply MiG-21s free of charge. Of course, Nasser was not a well man at this point and the Soviets were supporting the weapons buildup that lead to the so-called "War of Attrition."

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

· E-300AF with an rear fan (oh my English! :– do you know, what I want to say?), thrust 4,600 kp, length 3,000 mm, diameter 1,200 mm, specific comsumption 0.65 kg/kp.h

I understood perfectly, I believe the normal term in English is "aft fan".

 

[TinWing]

· E-300AF with an rear fan (oh my English! :– do you know, what I want to say?), thrust 4,600 kp, length 3,000 mm, diameter 1,200 mm, specific comsumption 0.65 kg/kp.h

I understood perfectly, I believe the normal term in English is "aft fan".

The "aft fan" concept is bit archaic these days.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the aft fan configuration was briefly in vogue during the late 50s and early 60s and I can't think of a single commercially successful aft fan engine. Today it almost seems counterintuitive to put the fan stage(s) on the hot end of the engine. The biggest proponent was General Electric, and a futile attempt was made to compete with the JT8D with an aft fan civilian variant of the J-79. As I recollect, fuel consumption wasn't competitive - which pretty much sums up the Convair CV880/990 as well.

There were also proposals for an aft fan variant of the Gyron Junior, but the Spey was chosen for the Buccaneer Mk2 instead - a very sensible decision.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

The main reason for the aft fan, where an extra turbine in put after the existing turbine which directly drives a fan surrounding it, was that you can add it to an existing turbojet quite easily, where its not possible to put a conventional front fan because it would have no way of passing the shaft through the existing turbojet core. The main drawback is the fan isn't "supercharging" the air for the core.

 

[elmayerle]

Of course, the GE propfan concept from the 80s qualifies as a special derivative of the aft fan concept.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Apparently the aft fan E-300 engine was supposed to be used in a 90 seat Egyptian airliner, Project 206. Also 4 HA-300 prototypes were supposedly built, but no more than 2 flew. E-300 was indeed test flown in a Marut, as part of a 5 year cooperation program between UAR (as was) and India.

Flying Review International, August 1969.

 

[elmayerle]

So does anyone know if the E-300-powered Marut flew in Indian or Egyptian markings?

 

[hesham]

So does anyone know if the E-300-powered Marut flew in Indian or Egyptian markings?

The HF-24 MK 1BX varinat was flown in India,but I still search
about the time.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

EGYPT'S HA-300 CANCELLED CANCELLATION BY THE EGYPTIANS of the Helwan HA-300 supersonic fighter reflects both the dependence of Egypt on Soviet arms supplies and also the pressure upon the Egyptian economy to pay for these. The first HA-300, a nonsupersonic version, flew for the first time on March 7, 1964; it was powered by a Bristol Siddeley Orpheus BOr.2 turbojet and two prototypes were built. The supersonic HA-300 was powered by an E-300 engine designed by the Austrian Professor Ferdinand Brandner; the airframe was based on a Messerschmitt design. It is suggested (in a recent Interavia Air Letter report) that the
Egyptian Air Force has now lost interest in the HA-300 since it has been reequipped with Soviet aircraft following the six-day war.
The two Egyptian aircraft factories which had been set up at Helwan, just outside Cairo, have been taken over by the Ministry of Industry following the dissolution by President Nasser of the Ministry for Military Production.

In a recent article in The Times onthe current Egyptian military situation, Winston S. Churchill reports that, even before the six-day war, the Russians had made themselves militarily indispensible to the Egyptians and that now "Egypt's agricultural and growing oil production has been mortgaged for years in advance to pay not only for Soviet arms but the development of an Egyptian-made fighter [HA-300] aircraft and surface-to-surface missiles—the Victor and Conqueror, none of which has progressed beyond prototype stage."

http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1969/1969%20-%201083.html

 

[Retrofit]

Hereafter some Hispano-Aviacion papers concerning the HA-300 in its original tailless configuration.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Very very nice indeed!

 

[Justo Miranda]

Please find attached some additional info

 

[Justo Miranda]

Re: Spanish/Egyptian HA-300 supersonic fighter project - post 2

Please find attached some additional info

 

[Justo Miranda]

So does anyone know if the E-300-powered Marut flew in Indian or Egyptian markings?

Please see attached text

 

[Justo Miranda]

The E-300 engine

 

[Retrofit]

Justo,
What happened in fact to the HA-P-300 "Boligrafo"(ball-pen) experimental glider (also referenced HA23P or HA-300P in some documents) after its tests at San Paulo, Spain?
I have this photo from Cuatros Vientos Museum but I don't know if it is the original aircraft or just a (scale)-model.

 

[stevoe]

Today you can find the H-300 here in Germany:

http://www.deutsches-museum.de/flugwerft/sammlungen/strahlflugzeuge/ha-300/

Regards
Stephan

 

[avatar]

Gentlemen,
This my first post here. Here is a rather detailed report on the HA-300 and its Indian connection

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html

 

[Justo Miranda]

Justo,
What happened in fact to the HA-P-300 "Boligrafo"(ball-pen) experimental glider (also referenced HA23P or HA-300P in some documents) after its tests at San Paulo, Spain?
I have this photo from Cuatros Vientos Museum but I don't know if it is the original aircraft or just a (scale)-model.

The HA-23P glider was also sold to Egypt .
The picture at the Cuatro Vientos Museum is from a 1/10 scale model

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Thanks for the link avatar, a very good read.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[avatar]

you are welcome Mark.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Helwan HA-300 (Al-Qahira 300) walkaround

detail pictures of Egypt's only indigenous jet fighter, all taken in the Oberschleißheim aircraft museum.

www.flickr.com

Beautiful walkaround of the restored prototype.

 

[redstar72]

Helwan HA-300 (Al-Qahira 300) walkaround

detail pictures of Egypt's only indigenous jet fighter, all taken in the Oberschleißheim aircraft museum.

www.flickr.com

Beautiful walkaround of the restored prototype.

Thank you! Very interesting photoes!

 

[Caravellarella]

Re: Hispano HA-23P delta-wing aerodynamic test-bed glider......

Dear Boys and Girls, here is an article in French about the Hispano HA-23P delta-wing aerodynamic test-bed glider (which isn't a "project") which was used to test the early configuration of the Hispano HA-300 jet fighter......

The article comes from the 30th July 1960 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a more pictures to Ha-300.

 

[topspeed3]

This was the sole jet plane until today to mach 2 with just 48 kN engine...and was by Willy Messerschmitt ?

 

[hesham]

Hi,


http://alternathistory.org.ua/opytnyi-istrebitel-helwan-ha-300-egipet

 

[GTX]

Does anyone know where to get a hold of the 1/48 Model Kit of the Ha-300?

 

[martinbayer]

GTX,

try this: http://hakaek-misr.com/yahiaalshaer.com/H-300/H-300-ADEL-KITT-1.html

Martin

 

[GTX]

GTX,

try this: http://hakaek-misr.com/yahiaalshaer.com/H-300/H-300-ADEL-KITT-1.html

Martin

Thanks Martin. Unfortunately, that is the site that I first found the kit info. Unfortunately though, nowhere on that site gives an idea of where to buy. The site has issues opening too.

 

[topspeed3]

Gentlemen,
This my first post here. Here is a rather detailed report on the HA-300 and its Indian connection
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html

I have it hard to believe it was smaller than a Gnat ( I will do a search on it ).

 

[topspeed3]

THESE IMAGES ARE IN THE SAME SCALE !

So you can do the math...about 20% bigger than Gnat...but almost 2/3 size of the MIG-21.

 

[martinbayer]

Thanks Martin. Unfortunately, that is the site that I first found the kit info. Unfortunately though, nowhere on that site gives an idea of where to buy. The site has issues opening too.

GTX,

have you tried the E-Mail button at the bottom of the page, which leads to the address yahia_al_shaer@yahoo.com?

Martin