Soviet unbuilt Naval projects

[Petrus]

This picture of a proposed destroyer design from before WWII was posted on the Warship Projects forum a few years back..

The drawing's caption reads: 'Placement of a reloading mechanism by the engineer Champness'. As it may be seen the mechanism is for torpedo reloading, if I am not mistaken, there is the twin torpedo launcher and twelve reloads.
Piotr

 

[Grey Havoc]

I think this is early concept art for Project 80, which seems to be an extension of other Soviet tank float concepts where there are separate pontoons that basically wrap around the vehicle and provide both floatation and propulsion. In this case, there are two boats, with retractable hydrofoils, that attach to either side of the tank. The front foil could retract vertically into the boat hull, but there is no ramp.

This article (in Russian) has some images of related concepts.

https://topwar.ru/74-tank-na-podvodnyx-krylyax.html

I think it might be a rival project to Project 80. That looks like a single hull there in the 1960 image.

 

[Grey Havoc]

The present day Russian Navy could certainly have used some of these.

Project 1077 Squadron Radar Picket Ship (what would have been known in the West as a Area Air Defense cruiser). Like it's western counterpart, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, it would have doubled as a command ship, although it would have been built in far smaller numbers (initial requirement was for 4 units, one per fleet):

Initial design - 1970.

Updated 1077 design - 1977.

Carrier (arsenal ship) type variant - 1980.

Updated images/source link/s (please note that the arsenal ship version, armed with a naval tactical missile derived from elements of the 'original' Topol missile, was actually from 1987):

http://otvaga2004.ru/atrina/atrina-atrina/atrina_2_ships/proekt-1077/

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fotvaga2004.ru%2Fatrina%2Fatrina-atrina%2Fatrina_2_ships%2Fproekt-1077%2F&edit-text=&act=url

 

[Grey Havoc]

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[Grey Havoc]

An interesting report from 1975 on Soviet and Eastern European developments in surface effect vehicles, including hovercraft:

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a018738.pdf

Includes some Soviet WIGs, mostly under the heading 'Aerodynamic Surface Effect Vehicles', with Ekranoplanes being mentioned (though not by that name, the term wasn't widely known in the West at the time) under the heading of 'Large Surface Effect Ships'.

EDIT: It does actually mentions the term 'ekranoplan'.

 

[Bottleship]

Transport amphibian platforms, TAP-700 and TAP-1200:

And, more Soviet projects (on Russian):

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[World B4]

Transport amphibian platforms, TAP-700 and TAP-1200:

If it didn't come from you Felix I'd think they were fake, those are some truly oddball designs, thank you for sharing them!
The TAP-1200 is just the Matroyshka doll idea taken way too far

 

[Bottleship]

"Polar tank" (1930th) - ship with caterpillars:
Small variant, range 100-300 km

Big variants (also Matryoshka - with "tankette") - you can see, electric transmission



Weird icebraker (Cold war period) - submarine + saw

Other weird icebraker:

 

[World B4]

Polar tank" (1930th) - ship with caterpillars:

Were the Polar Tanks an actual government project, or just magazine ideas?

 

[Bottleship]

Were the Polar Tanks an actual government project, or just magazine ideas?

It's a ideas of professor Pokrovskiy and other Soviet inventors.

 

[Bottleship]

Also, about Russian tank-ships...

Experimental steamboat, builted by engineer N. N. Benardos, project - 1876. Idea - cilinders (cilindrical wheels) on bow and stern, to overcome shallows, ride on the ground, and, for driving by rail. Between cilinders - standart paddle wheels. Tested on Luh river. Data of experimental "model" - weight with 10 crew - 60 pood (982.8 kg), draft 16 vershok (711.2 mm), lenght 16 arshin (1138 cm), beam 6.5 arshin (462.28 cm), height from waterline to upper deck 4.5 arshin (320 cm), diameter of cilinders 3 arshin (213.36 mm), lenght 6 arshin (426.72 cm). Full size variant not builted.

 

[Grey Havoc]

So in a way it could be described as an amphibious draisine.

 

[Bottleship]

Soviet magazine "Tehnika - molodezhi", also - idea of professor Pokrovskiy:


Ocean liner without ship motions, with speed 70-80 kmph (37.8-43.2 knots).
And... Original project, by engineer Apostolov, 1889-1892:


Also, Ocean liner, but, with speed to 100-110 knots (185.2-203.72 kmph).

 

[Bottleship]

So in a way it could be described as an amphibious draisine.

...Or, remake of Augustino Ramelli amphibious car, 1588:

 

[A Tentative Fleet Plan]

Project 47 Armoured Flotilla Leader circa 1948 (reused Project 47 number from an earlier Armoured Flotilla Leader design)

 

[rd77]

Dear all, haven't been on this forum for a long time, so it is great to see that it is still going strong!
I am trying to retrace an unbuilt Soviet project: it was a study for a Polar icebreaking patrol ship from the 70s/80s. It was very large and looked a mix between a Kerch class cruiser and an icebreaker. I used to have a render of it but unfortunately I lost my entire photo archive in a HD crash
Does any remember this project? If you don't have a render, then at least a project number or a name would be great as well.

I did a search through the forum but haven't found it yet, sorry.

EDIT: never mind, found it! Hadn't located the proper search function yet. It's this project: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/project-10590-opv-soviet-union.7682/

Cheers,
Ralph

 

[eltf177]

I find Project 47 interesting, very much enlarged "Kotlin's". On the CM-2 variant what is that replacing "B" turret, some sort of A/S weapon?

 

[Julio Garay Terrazas]

The present day Russian Navy could certainly have used some of these.

Project 1077 Squadron Radar Picket Ship (what would have been known in the West as a Area Air Defense cruiser). Like it's western counterpart, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, it would have doubled as a command ship, although it would have been built in far smaller numbers (initial requirement was for 4 units, one per fleet):

Initial design - 1970.

Updated 1077 design - 1977.

Carrier (arsenal ship) type variant - 1980.

Source and futher details: http://www.atrinaflot.narod.ru/2_mainclassships/02_rld_1077/0_1077.htm

Babelfish translation: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...inaflot.narod.ru/&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate [click on "Unrealized design of 1077 squadron radar picket ships (staff of ship- helicopter carriers) 1970- X yr".]

Lost image here:

 

[Grey Havoc]

Project 20 (Tashkent-class) Destroyer Leader:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z6Mhlv4QLA

 

[Grey Havoc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroFuturism/comments/ygh8a3

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroFuturism/comments/ygh8a3/transatlantic_ekranoplans_ussr/

 

[Tzoli]

Might be posting it here, just found this site showing quite a few new smaller warship projects:

https://www.aoosk.ru/en/products/tornado/

 

[ILikeTanks]

https://russianships.info/boevye/905.htm Do anyone have information regarding this ship?

 

[ILikeTanks]

I was reading on wikipedia and discovered this link. This landing ship has 8 jet engines.

 

[A Tentative Fleet Plan]

Project 47 Armoured Flotilla Leader circa 1948 (reused Project 47 number from the earlier 1940 Armoured Destroyer Leader design)

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The Warship 2024 article on Tashkent by Przemyslaw Budzon has some information on these designs, and their relationship to the Project 41 Neustrashimy.

After TsKB-53 had finished work on the upgraded Project 30-bis design, the Chief Constructor of the design team decided to keep them busy by designing an armoured flotilla leader, partly to circumvent a ban by Stalin on studies for large destroyers (which was applied to destroyers, not flotilla leaders) other than Project 30-bis, whilst also taking advantage of funds for the then ongoing SP-46 future destroyer studies.

The ship used the armour structurally, with a 10mm deck over magazines and boiler uptakes, and 14mm sides. This was at first an entirely internal design study by the design bureau, enabling the engineers to design a considerably larger destroyer without oversight from conservative naval officers, and being freed from budgetary constraints.

In March 1948 two designs were considered, with two and three designs respectively, with numerous innovations, a voluminous flush decked hull, with minimal superstructure, high pressure steam machinery, and an AC electrical system. The three-turret ship was deemed more balanced, with the two-turret design having superior margins for later modernisation.

It soon turned out that the Project 30-bis lacked the necessary seakeeping, size or high-angle armament to escort the planned Project 82 Stalingrad large cruisers, leading to Stalin rescinding his earlier ban on new destroyer design studies.

The two-turret design was shortened by 4 metres to prepare the preliminary design for the Project 41 Neustrashimy destroyer.

 

[Julio Garay Terrazas]

Some soviet never was warships pages with a lot of pictures:

A lot of information but is in cirilic alphabeth
https://web.archive.org/web/2010062...od.ru/2_mainclassships/04_bpk_1199/0_1199.htm
But the index page is the Madness:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100329002210/http://www.atrinaflot.narod.ru/index.htm

This page is about naval missils and some 1950s waships never was warships, but is in cirilic alphabeth too.
http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/nb_navy.htm

In this page the index is in the top right with a lot of ships, but is in cirilic alphabeth again:
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/index-19.html

This page is in spanish language and is about aircraft carriers:
http://fdra-naval.blogspot.com/2022/01/armada-de-rusia-pensando-en-una.html

 

[Antonio]

Another one

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[royabulgaf]

"Polar tank" (1930th) - ship with caterpillars:
Small variant, range 100-300 km
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Big variants (also Matryoshka - with "tankette") - you can see, electric transmission
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Weird icebraker (Cold war period) - submarine + saw
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Other weird icebraker:
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What is that "cauldron" in the cutaway?

 

[Tzoli]

Gyro-Stabilizator?

 

[Bottleship]

What is that "cauldron" in the cutaway?

This?

 

[Julio Garay Terrazas]

The "improved" Moskva class (as usual, I don't remember where to get the image...).

More information about this never-was soviet ship in this link:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/11233.htm

I'll just add that I don't think that ship had only two propellers.

 

[Tzoli]

It's not bigger than a Kirov and those too had only 2 shafts

 

[Dilandu]

More information about this never-was soviet ship in this link:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/11233.htm

That's some fantasy. The Project 1123.3 (sometimes called Project 1123M) was indeed the improved Project 1123, but it was conventionally-powered and redesigned to operate VTOL planes. One ship, provisionally named "Kiev" was laid down in 1968, but less than a year later its construction was cancelled, and first Project 1143 aircraft carrying cruiser (also named "Kiev") was laid down instead.

According to some sources, the nuclear & gas powered version of Project 1123 was briefly discussed, but the data isn't exactly reliable.

 

[ILikeTanks]

What is that "cauldron" in the cutaway?

Notice the same ship has a wedge plow on the above water structure, the same type used on railways.

 

[Hood]

The "improved" Moskva class (as usual, I don't remember where to get the image...).

More information about this never-was soviet ship in this link:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/11233.htm

I'll just add that I don't think that ship had only two propellers.

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I need convincing that this isn't just a fandom what-if Shipbucket kitbash drawing rather than an attempt to illustrate a real never-were project.

 

[A Tentative Fleet Plan]

I need convincing that this isn't just a fandom what-if Shipbucket kitbash drawing rather than an attempt to illustrate a real never-were project.

Appears to be based on this, but with conventional arm launchers replacing VLS, and confusing what looks to be a phased array with boiler uptakes:



pvo.guns.ru/naval/nb_navy.htm

 

[Julio Garay Terrazas]

Parece estar basado en esto, pero con lanzadores de brazo convencionales que reemplazan al VLS y confunden lo que parece ser una matriz en fase con tomas de caldera:

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pvo.guns.ru/naval/nb_navy.htm

I see the same imagen and more information herehttps://naval-encyclopedia.com/cold-war/ussr/kirov-class-battlecruisers.php