TomS said:Radar fire control? That doesn't make much sense for an AT gun. Could that box next to the gun be a thermal imaging camera instead?
rickshaw said:Depends on the wavelength of the radar. Longbow millimetre wavelength radar fire control has been shown to work very well on the M1 Abrahms and was intended for the M1a2 upgrade but was cancelled because of cost.
TomS said:Radar fire control? That doesn't make much sense for an AT gun. Could that box next to the gun be a thermal imaging camera instead?
TomS said:rickshaw said:Depends on the wavelength of the radar. Longbow millimetre wavelength radar fire control has been shown to work very well on the M1 Abrahms and was intended for the M1a2 upgrade but was cancelled because of cost.
Wow, that's a new one on me. I' love to read more on this.
rickshaw said:TomS said:Radar fire control? That doesn't make much sense for an AT gun. Could that box next to the gun be a thermal imaging camera instead?
Depends on the wavelength of the radar. Longbow millimetre wavelength radar fire control has been shown to work very well on the M1 Abrahms and was intended for the M1a2 upgrade but was cancelled because of cost.
Andrei_bt said:The serial produced towed MT-12R AT gun has the same radar and showed very well. It has both advantages and disadvantages to thermals. This was an attempt to make the mobile gun.
TomS said:rickshaw said:Depends on the wavelength of the radar. Longbow millimetre wavelength radar fire control has been shown to work very well on the M1 Abrahms and was intended for the M1a2 upgrade but was cancelled because of cost.
Wow, that's a new one on me. I' love to read more on this.
Stranger_NN said:Experimental antitank self-propelled gun with radar fire controll on T-62 chassis. Early version.[/center]+ additional info (in russian)
Complex "Norov"
By the mid-seventies to the anti-tank weapons, along with requirements to ensure a high probability of destruction of enemy tanks at significant distances from the firing position (2-3 km) are presented as basic requirements for mobility. This was due to the need for timely lessons lethal firing positions, a rapid succession of them during the battle, providing opportunities to participate in the counterattack, etc. In foreign countries, were accepted for service SAU "OKTOS, M-56," Yagdpantser "," Ewen "," Scorpion ", etc.
Therefore, the decision of the MIC USSR on 17 May 1976 a group of enterprises were asked to perform in the 1976-79gg. development of 100-mm self-propelled anti-tank gun with automatic instrumentation radar fire control system (code "Norov). The development was carried out by TTT Grau.
Production would be performed on the basis of self-propelled howitzers 2S1. The head singer of the complex - Bucyrus, head singer of automatic radar fire control instrumentation (ARPKUO) - EDB (SRI Strela, Tula).
Chief Designer ARPKUO - Simachev VI Deputy Chief Designer: the scheme and the technical part - Sokolov BA (June 1978 - Shmyrev AV), to design parts - Saulin OI (1981 - Kuhlmann VS).
ARPKUO complex was to ensure the detection of a moving vehicle at a distance of not less than 3000 m, and tracking of targets with the required accuracy - with a minimum distance of 2000 m.
Because these requirements are satisfied by radar instrument complex "Ruta", that development was conducted with maximum uniformity with this complex. Therefore tehproekt ARPKUO was developed already in the III quarter. 1976, and working documents - in the IV kv.1977 year.
Prototyping solution MCI was requested to plant "Arsenal".
However, the plant "Arsenal" because of the prevailing circumstances at the plant in the required time for the samples manufactured, and therefore the decision of the MIC USSR deadline for presentation of "Norov" on state tests has been postponed to 1981. Since prototyping in the factory "Arsenal" was carried out satisfactorily, then to avoid a possible breakdown of the new deadline for presentation of "Norov" on state tests SRI Strela organized manufacturing equipment in its pilot plant and the first sample ARPKUO was delivered to the customer in Iikv. 1981 and aims to Bucyrus for the preparation of a prototype of "Norov" for testing. A second sample ARPKUO was manufactured in pilot production of the Institute in the IV quarter. the same year.
At this time revealed several flaws and problems with other subcontractors ACS. Therefore, preliminary tests of "Norov were initiated only in 1983 and was completed in 1985. By this time the armies of several countries began to receive new models of tanks, frontal armor which successfully resisted the anti-cannon artillery projectiles caliber 100 mm. To combat these tanks it was necessary to create a more powerful anti-tank guns. Complex "Norov was recognized as unsound and decision MIC USSR from December 1985 work on this self-propelled unit were closed.
The latest version, "Norov" - in the first message of the topic!rickshaw said:I assume there is a "late version"? Any pictures?
Of course, but active radar - in itself a good target, as opposed to a passive thermal imager.lastdingo said:Radar is able to see through smoke, while low light vision doesn't (and thermals only had their breakthrough in tanks during the 80's, 90's for the Russians). Modern multi-spectral smoke even blocks thermal sight for a while.
lastdingo said:Radar is able to see through smoke, while low light vision doesn't (and thermals only had their breakthrough in tanks during the 80's, 90's for the Russians). Modern multi-spectral smoke even blocks thermal sight for a while.
Stranger_NN said:The latest version, "Norov" - in the first message of the topic!rickshaw said:I assume there is a "late version"? Any pictures?
any more info on Startle MMWR?Some more info on US Army radar fire control. The Block III M1 Abrams was planned to have the "Startle" MMW radar for target acquisition and fire control. M1A2/M1A1 AIM are Block II M1 Abrams, Block III was cancelled at the end of the Cold War. Startle was to operate as a FCS by both tracking the target and the outgoing shell and making corrections for the next shell.
any more info on Startle MMWR?