Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects

[flateric]

Smells like another Grunin project - have asked about at EAA forum.

 

[Triton]

Looks like a photograph of a model rather than a gouache.

 

[Bazinga]

Looks like a ROKS design. I have a similar type of pic with pull propellors. ROKS T-501 Strizh

 

[Stargazer]

Looks like a ROKS design. I have a similar type of pic with pull propellors. ROKS T-501 Strizh

I'm afraid this is completely wrong. The T-501 Strizh is an Aeroprogress-ROKS design that doesn't look anywhere near the plan you provide (see attachment). That particular image of yours which is falsely labeled as the Strizh is in fact an imaginary design of unknown origin (generally called the "OV-12") that has circulated on the web for a while. Also, Aeroprogress had several COIN designs of their own (including a design quite similar to an OV-10 with canards) which do not look like either of these designs.

 

[Stargazer]

Hello Everybody

Two months ago, I have read a topic in FYJS website, the poster said this was a Soviet unbuilt COIN aircraft project. Of course, that just was a picture, a gouache, may be not true. However, the head was similar to the Kamov Ka-50, was this project really exsist?
links: http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=952117.

What bugs me more is the fact that the picture displays a comment in Korean (under "HXGS", which is the forum name of the poster) and was posted on a Chinese site... ???

 

[x-copied]

You can get an overview of Soviet COIN a/c here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,50.0.html
I've attached the picture from that site to prevent it from being lost.
About the type I'm a bit sceptical, the picture looks like being heavily doctored and I don't
think, that folding wings are really useful for a COIN a/c. But there are experts here
to tell !

I have overviewed the links that you provided to me before I post this topic, but I failed to find it, so I believed something was wrong, may be this paint was not a COIN a/c, perhaps it was just a light attacker.

 

[x-copied]

Hello Everybody

Two months ago, I have read a topic in FYJS website, the poster said this was a Soviet unbuilt COIN aircraft project. Of course, that just was a picture, a gouache, may be not true. However, the head was similar to the Kamov Ka-50, was this project really exsist?
links: http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=952117.

What bugs me more is the fact that the picture displays a comment in Korean (under "HXGS", which is the forum name of the poster) and was posted on a Chinese site... ???
In the FYJS website, there were two "hxgs" ID names, one was me, the other was his. if you read it carefully you would find a trick, the word "X" was english in my ID names and russian word "X" in his ID names. Certainly, many friends were confused about two ID names.

 

[flateric]

this was SiBNIA model shop kitbashing joke made from UNDA 1/72 Su-25 model kits

And again, things turns up upside down, as Grunin DB staff says it was real project, belonging to LVSh family of projects (Light Army Attack aircraft or Light Renewable Attack aircraft) meaning fast resurrection of production using off-the shelf parts from existing projects after nuke poke.

 

[flateric]

Smells like another Grunin project - have asked about at EAA forum.

Grunin DB staff says it was - again - a real project, belonging to LVSh family.

 

[Avimimus]

Well - that is extremely interesting Flateric!

I wonder if there were any other designs for such contingencies (although the ability of industry to survive after the 1960s... well, decreased with proliferation...)

 

[Abraham Gubler]

You can get an overview of Soviet COIN a/c here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,50.0.html
I've attached the picture from that site to prevent it from being lost.
About the type I'm a bit sceptical, the picture looks like being heavily doctored and I don't
think, that folding wings are really useful for a COIN a/c. But there are experts here
to tell !

There are lots of details on this model that scream fake. For starters it could probably never take off or land without destroying the propellers. Which as a pusher are far aft of the centre of gravity and unprotected by any tail strike stopper. So as soon as the aircraft rotates bang the blades hit the ground. Then there is a wing fold break out of line with the actual break in the wing. Strangely space wing pylons. Rear seat windscreen that looks cool but wouldn’t provide rear seat occupant with any kind of view forwards or downwards when flying.

 

[AeroFranz]

just found this picture regarding the "Photon" aircraft. From an ICAS technical paper found at
http://www.icas-proceedings.net/ICAS2012/PAPERS/266.PDF

 

[CostasTT]

An interesting report on projects by Yevgeny P. Grunin here. (translated to English, courtesy of Google Translate)

 

[borovik]

An interesting report on projects by Yevgeny P. Grunin here. (translated to English, courtesy of Google Translate)

Only a few profiles LVSh project based on the Su-25UB.

 

[hesham]

Amazing drawings my dear Borovik,


but are those a real; projects ?.

 

[borovik]

These projects and many other projects ( including those known to us as the ROS Aeroprogress : T -710 , 502, 712 , etc.) have been developed in the framework of LVSh / - light military attack or easily can be filled attack aircraft/ . Was such a doctrine that in case of war, attack aircraft must be recreated on the basis of which the element is available . There were projects with booths Su- 25, Su 25 UB , Mi-24 , with 2 cabins on the Ka-50 ( Ka-52 was not there ), etc. Therefore, images of different projects . Projects developed in KB Sukhoi , namely team/brigade №100-2 . Brigade Chief Arnold I. Andrianov and theme leader , Eugene P. Grunin .

 

[Avimimus]

I would love to see some of the other variants of these projects (especially the ones with the Mi-24 cockpit!)...

 

[Jemiba]

You want it, you get it !

 

[borovik]

I would love to see some of the other variants of these projects (especially the ones with the Mi-24 cockpit!)...

Three images have to link CostasTT

 

[Avimimus]

Ah - finally got the link to work!


47 designs?! It would make an interesting book.
We should create a thread somewhere to try to list all Russian Shturmoviks sometime - at this rate it is getting hard to keep track of them all.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Sukhoi / Grunin Designs


A lot of these were based on components of existing aircraft, the initial thoughts of this was a wartime contingency. Most are Su-25 derived - many of these designs were started within Sukhoi's 100-2 team, by Grunin and others who later left to form their own company.

T-710, T-712

Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-720

Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Another T-720 variant

Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-721

Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-722

Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-724


This is Mi-24 derived.



Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-726, also Mi-24 derived.


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-728


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[Triton]

Thank you for posting these images, Paul.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-780


A more sensible Su-25 derivative


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Last one of T-780, then T-782.


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-784.


RD-33 engined Su-25 with minor tweakage


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-890


This uses RD-33 engines with two MiG-29 engine pods mounted sideways as well as Su-25 components.


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-952 - design from 1999/2000 timeframe I believe.


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

T-952 last 2 pics


Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393

 

[CliffyB]

Talk about a treasure trove!!! Thanks for taking the time to share them all man B)

What are the time frame(s) on these designs? All from late 1990's or are some from earlier?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Start mid/late 80s, through 90s.

 

[Avimimus]

Thanks! I'm really stunned to see even more of these.

Two questions:
- Any idea what the under fuselage guns are (not the SPPU - but the three barrelled ones)?
- Many designs are depicted with R-77s but no acquisition radar (I assume it could be pod mounted like in the later Su-25s)?

 

[bigvlada]

Beautiful pictures Paul, especially the mi 24 derivatives. Do you know the purpose of the curious looking engine exhaust in the picture labeled T-780 12_167.jpg ?

 

[Stargazer]

Amazing find and remarkable series of posts with quite a few previously unknown T-series projects, Paul... Thank you so much for sharing!