"Sneeky Pete" Revealed
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sublight said:
So stealthy it was lit up and visible to the naked eye at night, and so top secret it was flown over a major metropolitan area at at time of night on a "party night" when it was assured that many more people than usual would be outside looking up.
Thanks Stargazer, I'll TRY and keep myself straight.... (Memory like a stainless steel sieve, Ya... that'll happen I'm sureStargazer2006 said:
)Actually I'm on rather "familiar" terms with the F107, nice engine as long as you don't actually have to work on it :
But of course! How else are you going to be able to tell how well your stealth works unless you count the number of "UFO" reports on a given night?
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Apparently another guy saw the same thing as "the artist" last night:
"About 1:05 am June 3, 2010 severe thunder / lightning storm moving in from the Northwest and I saw a single plane like bluish light moving through the very bad lightning and watched it wondering what the heck a plane was doing flying directly through the storm. The storm had to be at least 10 miles away and the light I first saw moving through it was behind it coming towards my direction, but it came on very fast. Fast enough that before I realized it had gotten closer I could see something that at first appeared to be a triangular shape or diamond shaped outline against the approaching storm clouds. It looked like it stopped and I guess made a complete 90 degree turn and then flew right over my head. As it flew over I could distinctly see it was a rectangular shaped craft and see the lines of it's construction as well as markings underneath (couldn't quite make the markings out but they looked like something an aircraft would be marked with). In the center of it I could still make out the bluish light and could lightly see what looked like red squares in each corner and still faintly make out the square outline of the craft but if I hadn't been so curious about seeing a 'plane' flying through a bad lightning storm it pretty much completely blended in with the sky. Doubt anyone else would be able to make it out unless they spotted it by chance and were watching. It was fast and silent. Couldn't estimate how high up it was since I am not sure what type of aircraft you could compare it to but judging by how high it was coming through the storm I'd have to say pretty big for me to see that much detail as it went overhead. Bigger than any kind of aircraft I have ever seen. When I realized I was looking at something strange I went to get my cell phone to take a picture or something but it was way gone. Last heading towards the direction of Galveston Bay. I'm sure it was military. Confident of it. Just had a familiar kind of 'feel' to it as it went overhead. Would love to know what it was though, and would like them to explain how they got that kind of technology in the first place."
"About 1:05 am June 3, 2010 severe thunder / lightning storm moving in from the Northwest and I saw a single plane like bluish light moving through the very bad lightning and watched it wondering what the heck a plane was doing flying directly through the storm. The storm had to be at least 10 miles away and the light I first saw moving through it was behind it coming towards my direction, but it came on very fast. Fast enough that before I realized it had gotten closer I could see something that at first appeared to be a triangular shape or diamond shaped outline against the approaching storm clouds. It looked like it stopped and I guess made a complete 90 degree turn and then flew right over my head. As it flew over I could distinctly see it was a rectangular shaped craft and see the lines of it's construction as well as markings underneath (couldn't quite make the markings out but they looked like something an aircraft would be marked with). In the center of it I could still make out the bluish light and could lightly see what looked like red squares in each corner and still faintly make out the square outline of the craft but if I hadn't been so curious about seeing a 'plane' flying through a bad lightning storm it pretty much completely blended in with the sky. Doubt anyone else would be able to make it out unless they spotted it by chance and were watching. It was fast and silent. Couldn't estimate how high up it was since I am not sure what type of aircraft you could compare it to but judging by how high it was coming through the storm I'd have to say pretty big for me to see that much detail as it went overhead. Bigger than any kind of aircraft I have ever seen. When I realized I was looking at something strange I went to get my cell phone to take a picture or something but it was way gone. Last heading towards the direction of Galveston Bay. I'm sure it was military. Confident of it. Just had a familiar kind of 'feel' to it as it went overhead. Would love to know what it was though, and would like them to explain how they got that kind of technology in the first place."
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Thank you for the comments.
The shapes and movements described are nothing like what I saw. The thing flew straight line at a constant speed.
I've watched blimps (Goodyear, Fuji, etc) fly directly overhead and this was nothing like those craft. As I said, I was able to make out the outline of the vehicle and it was not the fat cigar outline of a blimp. Additionally, I did not get the impression that those bright spots were lights - just brighter parts of the aircraft.
The Dielman cluster of Charter Communications' buildings is located about six miles south of Lambert Field / St. Louis International Airport. At that time the Missouri Air Guard had a unit there and of course, Boeing (McDonnell Douglas) is there. There is a G/A airfield (Creve Coeur) about ten miles to the west-northwest. Spirit / St. Charles airport (G/A) is farther to the northwest and Parks / St. Louis Downtown Airport is about twenty to twenty five miles to the east-southeast in Illinois. Scott AFB is farther to the east-southeast in Illinois. Look up 9334 Dielman Industrial Drive (Zip code 63132) in Google Maps to get a clearer picture of the setting. There is a tower and a number of satellite receiving dishes in the yard behind the building. Lambert does not have a north/south runway so any traffic approaching or departing would to/from the east/west.
I'm not sure how long I tracked the thing. I know it couldn't have been all that long as I had other things that had to be done back inside the building. (My best guess at this time would be one to two minutes.) When I first noticed it, it was to the south at about forty degrees above the horizon. I watched it fly overhead (there was maybe a five degree offset to the west from directly overhead) then I lost it in the glare of parking lot lights as it reached about forty degrees above the northern horizon. Unfortunately, I was not able to wait there for any delayed sound as other items on my checklist needed to be checked. As to the possibility of it being a blimp. For a blimp to appear to move like that it would have had to have been close enough that I'd have known what I was seeing.
Onto the "lights." The pattern in my recreation attempt is probably not accurate. As I said. my mind first registered it as The Pleiades. That gives a suggestion if its apparent size and brightness - but then I think the actual constellation may be brighter than what I saw. As I said above. I did not get the impression that those bright spots were lights, only brighter parts of the aircraft.
sublight said:
The shapes and movements described are nothing like what I saw. The thing flew straight line at a constant speed.
Orionblamblam said:
I've watched blimps (Goodyear, Fuji, etc) fly directly overhead and this was nothing like those craft. As I said, I was able to make out the outline of the vehicle and it was not the fat cigar outline of a blimp. Additionally, I did not get the impression that those bright spots were lights - just brighter parts of the aircraft.
Dynoman said:
The Dielman cluster of Charter Communications' buildings is located about six miles south of Lambert Field / St. Louis International Airport. At that time the Missouri Air Guard had a unit there and of course, Boeing (McDonnell Douglas) is there. There is a G/A airfield (Creve Coeur) about ten miles to the west-northwest. Spirit / St. Charles airport (G/A) is farther to the northwest and Parks / St. Louis Downtown Airport is about twenty to twenty five miles to the east-southeast in Illinois. Scott AFB is farther to the east-southeast in Illinois. Look up 9334 Dielman Industrial Drive (Zip code 63132) in Google Maps to get a clearer picture of the setting. There is a tower and a number of satellite receiving dishes in the yard behind the building. Lambert does not have a north/south runway so any traffic approaching or departing would to/from the east/west.
I'm not sure how long I tracked the thing. I know it couldn't have been all that long as I had other things that had to be done back inside the building. (My best guess at this time would be one to two minutes.) When I first noticed it, it was to the south at about forty degrees above the horizon. I watched it fly overhead (there was maybe a five degree offset to the west from directly overhead) then I lost it in the glare of parking lot lights as it reached about forty degrees above the northern horizon. Unfortunately, I was not able to wait there for any delayed sound as other items on my checklist needed to be checked. As to the possibility of it being a blimp. For a blimp to appear to move like that it would have had to have been close enough that I'd have known what I was seeing.
Onto the "lights." The pattern in my recreation attempt is probably not accurate. As I said. my mind first registered it as The Pleiades. That gives a suggestion if its apparent size and brightness - but then I think the actual constellation may be brighter than what I saw. As I said above. I did not get the impression that those bright spots were lights, only brighter parts of the aircraft.
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At night, lit primarily by city lights rather than big lightsigns on the side/underneath?
Project Yehudi. Things that are oddly or poorly lit often don't look like themselves.
Making it even less likely to be something really entertaining, as this would put it square in the sights of a whole *lot* of people going to some effort to examine the sky.
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Artist...just some insights into the area where you saw the object. Your location (9334 Dielman Industrial Drive) is positioned in the first tier of the St Louis Class B airspace (from the surface to 8,000 feet), with a Mode C veil of 30nm from the surface to 10,000 feet. For the object to fly through there it would have to talk to the controlling agency, i.e. ATC, and have a transpoder signaling its location and altitude in that airspace, otherwise it would be a serious hazard to other traffic. My thought is it was above this airspace. Matching up the direction of travel you described with your location and both IFR Low and High Altitude Charts, I noticed that Jet Route J35-151 traced the same routing you described. Jet routes are 18,000 feet and above.
Assuming it was on a jet route and moving at the speed of an airliner (e.g. 450-650 miles/hr), it sounds like it may have been a very large object. However, if it were lower (e.g. 10,000-20,000 feet) you may have been able to distinguish some shape, however, it would probably be much larger than a typical fighter aircraft. (Try going out and looking at airliners at night...not much to see, but lights). At that altitude the noise from a convetional turbine would also be difficult to hear and may not have of been heard at all or at least until it passed.
Also, its direction of travel did not appear to place it on a course for the major flight test centers, although it really could have traveled anywhere.
With all of the speculative projects that are available to chose from, based on size and speed of the vehicle, I would say a classified semirigid dirigable equipped with a jet engine would be my guess.
Interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjHgkZU_YZU
Assuming it was on a jet route and moving at the speed of an airliner (e.g. 450-650 miles/hr), it sounds like it may have been a very large object. However, if it were lower (e.g. 10,000-20,000 feet) you may have been able to distinguish some shape, however, it would probably be much larger than a typical fighter aircraft. (Try going out and looking at airliners at night...not much to see, but lights). At that altitude the noise from a convetional turbine would also be difficult to hear and may not have of been heard at all or at least until it passed.
Also, its direction of travel did not appear to place it on a course for the major flight test centers, although it really could have traveled anywhere.
With all of the speculative projects that are available to chose from, based on size and speed of the vehicle, I would say a classified semirigid dirigable equipped with a jet engine would be my guess.
Interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjHgkZU_YZU
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A better look at the Lockheed Stealth blimp shows some obvious similarities with what TheArtist has described (triangular shape, fins that extend both above and underneath the main body and so forth). I am offering here a cleaned up, alternate positive negative view of Lockheed's artwork to help get a clearer view of its shape.
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Orionblamblam said:
First. Yes, I've watched one of the blimps fly over after sunset. (Still some twilight on the western horizon but otherwise dark overhead.) I had just gotten out of my car at home and noticed it approaching along Rt. 40/I-64. As the road I parked on was separated from Rt. 40 only by an exit ramp and a fence, you could say that the thing flew almost overhead of me. It flew west along 40 then (and this is my guess based on having driven that way for over twenty years.) it turned to the north to follow I-170. What I saw on the morning of 01/01/2000 was nothing like that.
They say that the old Glencoe Navy Blimp kit is close in shape to the Goodyear blimp. Today I took that model and tried to find a viewing angle that produced the closest outline to what I saw. Then I tried to make it keep that shape while I moved it through that arc. The thing would have to tumble and even fly backward to maintain that apparent outline. And that outline was not even close enough for me to be able to say "It could have been . . ."
The thing was high and (I'm sure) not on an approach to Lambert. I've been watching planes in the sky - day and night - since I was a kid. Also, I'd say that it was just dumb luck that I noticed the thing. Had the Master Control Operators not taken to turning off the overhead lights during the late evening and night hours (even though the managers often complained) my eyes would have had to make a greater adjustment from room lighting to the night sky and I'd have probably not noticed it.
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Dynoman said:
Thank you for that information. My feeling from the beginning was that it was something flying high. As I told Scott, I've been watching aircraft in the sky since I was a kid.
The LTA pic looks interesting. The outline is still not right - the trailing edge was not that straight. What I saw had a pumpkin seed or watermelon seed shape. And, I did not see anything that looked like fins. That being said, I have to say that the texture of the surface detailing "feels" right.
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walter said:
I've posted one more piece of the California Microwave puzzle here:
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Hey guys - Anything new on "Sneeky Pete"? -SP
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This forum is so confusing. So Sneaky Pete is a still classified aircraft, but Sneeky Pete is a modified Long-EZ? Yet I see an classified patch for Sneeky Pete, the non classified one? Im really interested into what Sneaky Pete is
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You can run into classified uses of all sorts of things.
U-2s, for example, still end up wandering into a classified project every so often.
Sneaky Pete with an A is a sub-scale model of the MDD A-12 Avenger, a "flying Dorito"
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'Sneaky Pete' is thought to be a nickname for General Dynamics flying wing stealth concept studied under HAVE KEY:
'Sneeky Pete' was a Scaled Composites prototype:
Nothing very mysterious. A few people have suggested a connection between Sneaky Pete and possible triangular wing aircraft sightings.
'Sneeky Pete' was a Scaled Composites prototype:
Nothing very mysterious. A few people have suggested a connection between Sneaky Pete and possible triangular wing aircraft sightings.
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