SNCASO (Sud-Ouest Aviation) Projects

[Petrus]

From ; Les Avions de Combat Francais,

the SNCASO SO.6150.

Do you have any specifications for the SO.6150 (and the SO.6100)? If so, please post it here.

 

[hesham]

My dear Petrus,

I will send to you a private message.

 

[Petrus]

My dear Petrus,

I will send to you a private message.

My dear Hesham, don't hesitate to post the info on the forum. I am sure that there are others who are interested in it.

 

[hesham]

My dear Petrus,

I will send to you a private message.

My dear Hesham, don't hesitate to post the info on the forum. I am sure that there are others who are interested in it.

OK my dear Petrus,and excuse me my dear Paul MM,

I will only send the info.

 

[nuuumannn]

On 26 September 1949, M1 performed first free-flight, launched from a SNCASE Languedoc.

Terrific wee clip Blackkite, and note that in the video the carrier aircraft in use is no longer the Languedoc, but the Heinkel He 274, or AAS 01.

 

[nuuumannn]

It is not a 6025. The 6025 had an additional rocket behind the air scoop.

The one in the picture is the Espadon that tested the SEPR rocket motor, the third prototype. I read that it was the first French jet to exceed the speed of sound, is this the case and if so, when exactly did it do this? I believe the SEPR motors were quite volatile owing to their unique propellant/oxidiser, furaline and nitric acid, which tended to eat away at the surrounding airframe.

 

[dan_inbox]

According to Cuny, this 3rd proto 6025 passed Mach 1 in horizontal flight on 1953-12-15.

Yes the corrosive propertities of the SEPR fuels and exhaust are surely why their tanks were moved to wingtips and the rocket to the taill on the next iteration, when the 2nd 6020 was rebuilt as 6026.

 

[hesham]

The SO.96 was described in the last issue of the AFM (no, not Airforces Monthly,
but Aviation Francais Magazine ). It was a project for a jet powered version of the
SO.90 with four unspecified jet engines.

The Whole article from the same source,as my dear Jemiba mentioned,
it's AFM12.

 

[hesham]

From Vertiflite 1956-1,

here is a small article,speaks about a 20/30 passenger Project
version of SO.1310,it was definitely SO.1340,and also they
mentioned the company had a several VTOL aircraft Projects ?!,
we know only SNCASO Dever !,can anyone explain that ?.

 

[Bazinga]

In the 1955 Aviation Magazine of 23 June 1955, the report mentions a "bireacteur delta canard" or in popular phrasing a Rafale style fighter. I can identify the other models as the Dever and the SO-1340/1350 helicopter but I cannot place this canard fighter. Any clue?
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k53231543/f16.image.r=bireacteur delta canard?rk=21459;2
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5323227j/f16.image.r=bireacteur delta canard?rk=64378;0

 

[hesham]

Great find dear Bazinga,

but I discovered it before,in reply # 9,and I think it was gotten the
designation between SO.1230 to SO.1290 ?.

 

[Bazinga]

Great find dear Bazinga,

but I discovered it before,in reply # 9,and I think it was gotten the
designation between SO.1230 to SO.1290 ?.

Indeed you are. The plexiglass threw me off. I always thought it was a tailsitter alike the Dever. The model is most certainly the same model.
I have searched https://gallica.bnf.fr/ for SO.1230 to 1290 incrementing the number with 5. No reference in any French archive so that numbering remain inconclusive I feel. Considering this being a fighter and the year 1955 I would "throw my darts" at the late 3000, low 4000 numbering range

 

[hesham]

Great find dear Bazinga,

but I discovered it before,in reply # 9,and I think it was gotten the
designation between SO.1230 to SO.1290 ?.

Indeed you are. The plexiglass threw me off. I always thought it was a tailsitter alike the Dever. The model is most certainly the same model.
I have searched https://gallica.bnf.fr/ for SO.1230 to 1290 incrementing the number with 5. No reference in any French archive so that numbering remain inconclusive I feel. Considering this being a fighter and the year 1955 I would "throw my darts" at the late 3000, low 4000 numbering range

I think it was not that designation my dear Bazinga,

and it was not even 1000s series nor 2000s,3000s or 4000s,and for
5000s to 10000,they were well known,except the 6000s,it had some
mystery sequence,as I think it is the solution ?.

 

[Bazinga]

Great find dear Bazinga,

but I discovered it before,in reply # 9,and I think it was gotten the
designation between SO.1230 to SO.1290 ?.

Indeed you are. The plexiglass threw me off. I always thought it was a tailsitter alike the Dever. The model is most certainly the same model.
I have searched https://gallica.bnf.fr/ for SO.1230 to 1290 incrementing the number with 5. No reference in any French archive so that numbering remain inconclusive I feel. Considering this being a fighter and the year 1955 I would "throw my darts" at the late 3000, low 4000 numbering range

I think it was not that designation my dear Bazinga,

and it was not even 1000s series nor 2000s,3000s or 4000s,and for
5000s to 10000,they were well known,except the 6000s,it had some
mystery sequence,as I think it is the solution ?.

Could very well be. I searched here but could not find the logic of the X000 series. In general, various design departments got their own series allocated. In 1955 I see 1000, 4000, 6000 and 9000 series. Not sure it worked in SNCASO like that, so the whole thing right now is speculative.

I must say that such a canard plane was some 40-50 years ahead of reality with Rafale, Gripen and Typhoon, so definitely advanced project hence my mental reference to the 4000 series with projects like SNCASO 4070 Minerve

 

[hesham]

Believe me it was almost from 6000s series.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the SNCASO SO.4070 and SO.4080.

(from Jean Cuny "Les Avions De Combat Francais 1944-1960" volume II,Docavia,
Please, specify the sources, Hesham !)

Hi,

SNCASO SO4070, programme MINERVE au 1/72

Amis du soir bonsoir ; Je vous présente ce "petit" bombardier, issu du programme MINERVE, voulu par le général, et qui aboutira au Mirage IV que l'on connait d

fighters.forumactif.com

 

[dan_inbox]

And a 3D view of the SNCASO SO-4080 concept:

 

[hesham]

Also from Decollage 1946,

I can ID this ?,and if it was related to SNCASO or not ?.

 

[dan_inbox]

The relation with SNCASO is that Mr Abel Besse is employed as a worker by SNCASO.
It does not say that Besse's hobby is supported or condoned by the company.

 

[Deleted member 2278]

J57 Vautour?

Aviation Week 1954-10-04 : Aviation Week : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

archive.org

 

[Archibald]

I want to use this thread to ask a simple question.

Where the French Vautours ever wired to carry the Mirage IVA, strategic AN-11 / AN-21 / AN-22 nuclear weapons ?
- or AN-52 tactical nukes ?
- in the strategic role the Mirage IVA was the main option but Vautours got lots of secondary, supporting roles: tankers, trainers, and electronic warfare (Bordeaux Mérignac last squadron until 1978: nicknamed "Chipiron", like the basque cuttlefish dish.)
- in the tactical role, AN-52 found their ways on Mirage IIIEs, Jaguars (not sure about the Aéronavale Etendard / S.E before ASMP)

But I can't find any information about the Vautours nuke carrying capability.

 

[hesham]

From Air Pictorial 1951,

strange Info,about the SNCASO had modified the Douglas DC-3 to take a two turbojet engines,plus
its original piston motors ?!.

 

[hesham]

From Revue Aeronautique 1951.

 

[Apophenia]

From Air Pictorial 1951,

strange Info,about the SNCASO had modified the Douglas DC-3 to take a two turbojet engines,plus its original piston motors ?!.

Douglas DC3 Palas - Minijets

Le Douglas DC3 Palas était un projet de 1952, qui associait à un Douglas DC à un groupe d'appoint Palas de la SNCASO

minijets.org

 

[hesham]

Great find dear Bazinga,

but I discovered it before,in reply # 9,and I think it was gotten the
designation between SO.1230 to SO.1290 ?.

Both of these two project are from SNCASO as I think.

 

[hesham]

From Flight 1955.

 

[zanenobbs]

Here is the progress the International Resin Modellers Association -IRMA is making on IRMA Kit No.12 SNCASO SO.4000 in 1/72. This model will be US $190 + shipping or US $160 + shipping with an IRMA Membership of US $25. If you are interested, we can be reached at info@internationalresinmodellers.com. There is no definite release date yet, however, you ran reserve one now. We are planning a small run of 30 kits at this time.

 

[PhR]

From Air Pictorial 1951,

strange Info,about the SNCASO had modified the Douglas DC-3 to take a two turbojet engines,plus
its original piston motors ?!.

SNCASO has created a dedicated department for this activity: the GRA (Groupe des Réacteurs d'appoint).
They modified not only DC-3, but also C-46 and SO-30P with one or 2 additional Turboméca Palas jet engines underneath.
Attached photos come from my own collection.

 

[PhR]

Various helicopter projects derived from SO-1220/1221 Djinn: SO-1225 "Djinn II" (became SA-1225), the "Djinn III" (unknown number), SO-1230 and SO-1250.
All from my collection.

 

[scautomoton]

Can anyone advise who I would contact to obtain copies of SNCASO heritage documents from their archives? Would it be Airbus?