SNCAC / Aérocentre designations (NC-)

[hesham]

From JAWA 1947,

very strange,they mentioned NC.260 as a commercial aircraft,but we know it was
an jet interceptor ?.

 

[Bazinga]

28 feb 1948 Les Ailes

 

[hesham]

Here is the SNCAC second series;

NC.100 was probably unknown Project,or maybe not used
NC.110 was a four-engined high-altitude bomber designed to meet the A20 programme requirements of 1937
NC.120 was unknown design ?
NC.130 was a low-wing cantilever high-altitude military research monoplane of 1936/37
NC.140 was a mid-wing high-altitude bomber Project,powered by four 880/1000 Hispano-Suiza 12Y 50/51 engines
NC.150 was a four-seat mid-wing high-altitude bomber monoplane,powered by two 955 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Y-32 engines
NC.151 was a developed version of NC.150 bomber,with longer fuselage
NC.152 was a developed version of NC.151-02,whose engines were supercharged by turbochargers Brown-Boveri mounted on exhausts
NC.153 was a version of NC.150,powered by two 1450 hp P&W R-2800,other enginewere also considered as Wright R-2600 or Bristol Hercules
NC.160 was a single seat mid-wing heavy fighter/dive bomber Project,with two engines and coaxial propellers
NC.170 was a single engined high-altitude research monoplane Project,later became SNCASO SO.3000
NC.180 & NC.181 was a transport Project versions of NC.170,powered by two Hispano 12 Z engines,later became SNCASO SO.3010
NC.190 was a stratosphere high-altitude research monoplane Project,powered by single engined,later became SNCASO SO.3020 Belphégor
NC.200/I was a heavy bomber tailless aircraft Project,had a six-seat,later became Nord N.1800
NC.200/II was a nigh-fighter Project,powered by two 1600 hp Gnome-Rhone 14R engines
NC.210 was a high-wing heavy transport monoplane Project with Gnôme Rhône GR18 engines & tailwheel undercarriage that led to the Cormoran
NC.211 Cormoran was a high-wing heavy transport aircraft,powered by Gnôme Rhône GR14R engines & tricycle undercarriage
NC.212 Cormoran was a Project version with Bristol Hercules engines
NC.213 Cormoran was a Project version with Junkers Jumo 213 engines,construction of prototype/pre-production aircraft abandoned
NC.214 Cormoran was a Project version of NC.211,intended as mail airplane
NC.220 was unknown design
NC.230 was unknown design
NC.240 was unknown design
NC.250 maybe was research aircraft Project,led to develop NC.270
NC.260 was a single-seat jet interceptor Project,powered a by a Turbomeca engine
NC.270 was a mid-wing jet bomber monoplane,never completed,powered by two Hispano-Suiza Nene turbojet engines
NC.271 was a flying sub-scale models of NC 270,one glider and one rocket-powered
NC.272 was a supersonic interceptor Project,powered by two turbojet engines
NC.273 & NC.274 ------?
NC.275 was an attack Project version of NC.272,powered by two turbojet engines
NC.280 was a high-wing large mailplane Project,powered by four 580 hp Renault 12 S engines
NC.281 was a developed version of NC.280,powered by four 725 hp Gnome-Rhone 14 M engines
NC.282 was a developed version of NC.280,powered by only two 1215 hp P&W SIC.3.G engines
NC.290 was a low-wing jet medium airliner Project,powered by four turbojet engines
NC.300 was a was three-engined high wing transport aircraft Project,powered by three Wasp Junior engines
NC.301 was a developed version of NC.300,as colonial transport Project,no more details

 

[hesham]

Here is the first series;

NC.222,NC.223 & NC.224 were formerly Farman designs
NC.232 was formerly Hanriot H.232
NC.2230,NC.2231,NC.2232,NC.2233 & NC.2234 were formerly Farman designs
NC.410,NC.420,NC.433,NC.470 & NC.471 were formerly Farman designs
NC.472 was sesquiplane torpedo bomber Project of 1939,powered by two 600 hp P&W R-1340 engines
NC.510 was a three-seat high-wing observation,liaison and attack monoplane,powered by two 450 hp Lorrain Algol Lo 9 Na engines,
formerly Hanriot H.240
NC.510M was a modified version,with two Gnome-Rhöne 9 Kfr engines,also the wing was reinforced and the vertical tail were changed again
NC.511 was a Project version,powered by two 450 hp Renault 12 R0/1 engines
NC.512 was a Project version,powered by two 450 hp Lorraine Algol engines
NC.513 was a Project version,powered by two 680 hp Gnome-Rhöne 14M 4/5 engines
NC.520 was anther version of NC.510,later change into NC.530
NC.530 was a major developed version,with the ventral tank had been removed, the fuselage was entirely metallic,the wing, of metallic structure, saw limited interfacing at the terminal outer parts,powered by 680 hp GN 14M 4/5
engines
NC.531 was a Project version,powered by two 450 hp Lorraine R0/1 engines,and retractable landing gear
NC.532 was a Project version,powered by two 1180 hp Gnome-Rhöne 14N 48/49 engines,and retractable landing gear
NC.540 was a Project version,intended as recce aircraft,powered by two Gnome-Rhöne engines,and retractable landing gear
NC.550 was a Project version,intended as recce aircraft,powered by two 1180 hp Gnome-Rhöne 14N 48/49 engines,and retractable landing gear
NC.560 maybe it was a gyrocopter patent Project,developed with Mr. Robert Couprit in 1936,need confirm
NC.570 maybe it was a flying machine with rotating wings having a circular or conical trajectory,developed with Mr. Gilbert Richard in 1936,need confirm
NC.580 maybe it was a single seat mid-wing fighter monoplane Project of 1938,powered by one engine,need confirm
NC.590 maybe it was a helicoplane of 1939,powered by 230 hp Salmson engine,began static tests and blown to Chalais-Meudon,prevented by starting of WWII,need confirm
NC.600 was a multi-place fighter,powered by two 650 hp Gnome-Rhöne 14M engines,formerly Hanriot H.220-2
NC.610 was a project for a single-seat fighter with two Gnome-Rhône 14S engines
NC.620 to NC.690 were unknown designs
NC.700 was a licence built Siebel Si.204 light transport monoplane,powered y two 590 hp Renault 12S engines
NC.701 was a trainer version with dual controls and transparent nose based on the Si-204D,room for five students as a radio trainer
NC.702 was eight-seat transport version based on the Si-204A
NC.710 to NC.790 were unknown designs
NC.800 Cab was a low-wing four-seat light transport monoplane Project,powered by two 240 hp Renault 6 Q21 engines
NC.810 was a six-seat Project version of NC.800,with increased fuselage longer
NC.820 was a low-wing twin-boom light transport monoplane Project,powered by two 300 hp Renault 6 Q engines,mounted in the central nacelle and coupled together to drive contra-rotating co-axial pusher propellers,retractable tricycle landing gear
NC.830 Chardonneret was a three-seat high-wing light monoplane,powered by one 98 hp Renault 4-EO engines
NC.831 Chardonneret was a version of NC.830,powered by 100 hp Regnier 4EO engine
NC.832 Chardonneret was a version of NC.830,powered by 75 hp Regnier 4JO engine
NC.840 Chardonneret was a four-seat version,powered by one 140 hp Renault 4 PO.1 engine
NC.841 Chardonneret was a version of NC.840,powered by 175 hp Mathis radial engine
NC.850 was a two-seat version of NC.840,powered by one Mathis G4F engine
NC.851 was a version of NC.850,powered by one 70 hp Minie 4.DA.28 engine
NC.852 was a version,powered by one 90 hp Regnier 4EO engine
NC.853 was a version,powered by one 75 hp Minie 4.DC engine
NC.854 was a version,powered by one 65 hp Continental A.65 engine
NC.855 was a version of NC.853,powered by one 75 hp Praga D engine
NC.856 was a version of NC.853,powered by one 105 hp Walter Minor engine
NC.857 was a Project version,not built
NC.858 was a version,powered by one 90 hp Continental C90-12F engine
NC.859 was a version,powered by one 105 hp Walter Minor 4-111W engine
NC.860 was a high-wing three-seat and one pilot light transport monoplane,powered by two 105 hp Walter Minor 4-111W engines,developed from NC.850s
NC.861 was a Project version of NC.860,powered by two 105 hp Minie 6DE.48 engines
NC.870,NC.880 & NC.890 were unknown designs
NC.900 was a licence built Fock-Wulf Fw.190 fighter
NC.910 to NC.990 were unknown designs
NC.1000 to NC.1060 were unknown designs
NC.1070 was a mid-wing piston engined attack and torpedo bomber,powered by two 1600 hp Snecma 14 R engines
NC.1071 was a turbojet version,powered by two Rolls Royce Nene engines
NC.1072 was twin jet fighter Project version,powered by two HS Nene engines
NC.1075 maybe a fake design ?
NC.1080 was a single seat low-wing jet naval fighter,powered by one Rolls Royce Nene engine
NC.1090 was unknown design
NC.1100 was a target pilotless aircraft with retractable rotor for landing
NC.1110 was a tugged target glider, at least three built
NC.1120,NC.1130 & NC.1140 were unknown designs
NC.1150 was executive jet low-wing monoplane Project,later became Nord N.1150
NC.2000 maybe early design led to develop NC.2001 helicopter
NC.2001 Abeille was a five-seat twin intermeshing rotor helicopter,powered by one 575 hp Renault 12S engine
NC.2002 Libellule was a developed version of NC.2001,with improved tail fin,Project
NC.2003 was a simplified and lightened version,Project
NC.2010,NC.2020 & NC.2030 were unknown designs
NC.2040 maybe a transport helicopter Project,led to develop NC.2041,need confirm
NC.2041 was a transport helicopter, two 14M engines,Project
NC.2042 was a transport helicopter, two 12S engines,Project
NC.2050 maybe a light helicopter,led to develop NC.2051,need confirm
NC.2051 was a single-seat helicopter, one Mathis G4F,Project
NC.2060 to NC.2090 were unknown designs
NC.2100 to NC.2190 were unknown designs
NC.2200 maybe a Project led to develop NC.2201
NC.2201 & NC.2202 were a rotor parachute for torpedo,Projects
NC.2210 was other name for the NC.1100 target aircraft with rotor parachute
NC.2220 was a rotor parachute for trooper,Project
NC.2230 was a rotor parachute for jeep or small vehicle,Project
NC.2240 was a rotor parachute for tank,Project
NC.2250 was a rotor parachute for container,Project
NC.2260 was a rotor parachute for tank,Project
NC.2270 to NC.2400 were unknown designs
NC.2410 maybe a light helicopter,led to develop NC.2411
NC.2411 was a single-seat helicopter, jet rotor,Project
NC.2420 was a crane helicopter, jet rotor, also with transport variant,Project
NC.2430 & NC.2440 were unknown designs
NC.2450 maybe a light helicopter led to develop NC.2451
NC.2451 was a single-seat helicopter, jet rotor,Project
NC.2460 & NC.2470 were unknown designs
NC.2480 was a convertible with two-blade turbojet rotor transformed into propelling wings,Project
NC.2490 was a target helicopter with turbojet rotor,Project
NC.2500 maybe a twin jet bomber Project,need confirm
NC.3021 Belphégor was a high-altitude research low-wing monoplane,powered by Daimler-Benz DB 610A side by side pair of DB 605 V-12 inverted, water-cooled engines geared together onto a single propeller shaft,2,200 kW (2,950 hp) at sea level
NC.3500 was a rocket missile,became SNCASE SE.4100
NC.3501 was also a rocker missiles,became SNCASE SE.4100
NC.3510 was a ramjet-powered missile
NC.3511 was a ramjet-powered missile



- Any additions or corrections are welcome

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I add NC.841 & NC.861,also a more Info about NC.832,the source;

NC850 series

 

[hesham]

From TU 199,

I add NC.472 Project to the list.

 

[avion ancien]

From the book Nieuport 1909-1950:
- NC.1100 was a target pilotless aircraft with retractable rotor for landing

This recently was posted on another forum that I frequent. Does anyone know any more about it or whether there is anything more published concerning this ramjet drone?

 

[richard B]

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5323374j/f82.image.r=SNCAC?rk=193134;0#

 

[avion ancien]

Thank you, Richard. Your hyperlink indicates that the source of the cutting, that I attached to my post #47, was the 15 December 1970 issue of Aviation Magazine International.

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane 1955,

here is a more Info about SNCAC NC.2051 & NC.2420 helicopter projects.

 

[CAD-Jung]

Hello everyone,
I'm new here in the forum. Nice that there is such a forum where you can exchange ideas. I am a model builder from Germany and I am currently building the NC.2001 Abeille on a scale of 1:4.8, rotordiameter 2.8 m. Unfortunately, there are hardly any documents about the French original from the 1940s. Who can possibly help me? I need photos that show more details than the photos on the internet.
I would like to say many thanks in advance
Volker

 

[hesham]

Welcome aboard Volker,

here is the dimensions,from French magazine.

 

[Bazinga]

Perhaps these help...pictures are scarce indeed. Looks like there were 2 versions. Up rudder and down rudder.

 

[hesham]

Here is the SNCAC second series;

NC.100 was probably unknown Project,or maybe not used
NC.110 was a four-engined high-altitude bomber designed to meet the A20 programme requirements of 1937
NC.120 was unknown design ?
NC.130 was a low-wing cantilever high-altitude military research monoplane of 1936/37
NC.140 was a mid-wing high-altitude bomber Project,powered by four 880/1000 Hispano-Suiza 12Y 50/51 engines
NC.150 was a four-seat mid-wing high-altitude bomber monoplane,powered by two 955 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Y-32 engines
NC.151 was a developed version of NC.150 bomber,with longer fuselage
NC.152 was a developed version of NC.151-02,whose engines were supercharged by turbochargers Brown-Boveri mounted on exhausts
NC.153 was a version of NC.150,powered by two 1450 hp P&W R-2800,other enginewere also considered as Wright R-2600 or Bristol Hercules
NC.160 was a single seat mid-wing heavy fighter/dive bomber Project,with two engines and coaxial propellers
NC.170 was a single engined high-altitude research monoplane Project,later became SNCASO SO.3000
NC.180 & NC.181 was a transport Project versions of NC.170,powered by two Hispano 12 Z engines,later became SNCASO SO.3010
NC.190 was a stratosphere high-altitude research monoplane Project,powered by single engined,later became SNCASO SO.3020 Belphégor
NC.200/I was a heavy bomber tailless aircraft Project,had a six-seat,later became Nord N.1800
NC.200/II was a nigh-fighter Project,powered by two 1600 hp Gnome-Rhone 14R engines
NC.210 was a high-wing heavy transport monoplane Project with Gnôme Rhône GR18 engines & tailwheel undercarriage that led to the Cormoran
NC.211 Cormoran was a high-wing heavy transport aircraft,powered by Gnôme Rhône GR14R engines & tricycle undercarriage
NC.212 Cormoran was a Project version with Bristol Hercules engines
NC.213 Cormoran was a Project version with Junkers Jumo 213 engines,construction of prototype/pre-production aircraft abandoned
NC.214 Cormoran was a Project version of NC.211,intended as mail airplane
NC.220 was unknown design
NC.230 was unknown design
NC.240 was unknown design
NC.250 maybe was research aircraft Project,led to develop NC.270
NC.260 was a single-seat jet interceptor Project,powered a by a Turbomeca engine
NC.270 was a mid-wing jet bomber monoplane,never completed,powered by two Hispano-Suiza Nene turbojet engines
NC.271 was a flying sub-scale models of NC 270,one glider and one rocket-powered
NC.272 was a supersonic interceptor Project,powered by two turbojet engines
NC.273 & NC.274 ------?
NC.275 was an attack Project version of NC.272,powered by two turbojet engines
NC.280 was a high-wing large mailplane Project,powered by four 580 hp Renault 12 S engines
NC.281 was a developed version of NC.280,powered by four 725 hp Gnome-Rhone 14 M engines
NC.282 was a developed version of NC.280,powered by only two 1215 hp P&W SIC.3.G engines
NC.290 was a low-wing jet medium airliner Project,powered by four turbojet engines
NC.300 was a was three-engined high wing transport aircraft Project,powered by three Wasp Junior engines
NC.301 was a developed version of NC.300,as colonial transport Project,no more details

So weird,from JAWA 1947,the SNCAC NC.260 & NC.270 were a jet-propelled
commercial aircraft ?!.

 

[Apophenia]

So weird,from JAWA 1947,the SNCAC NC.260 & NC.270 were a jet-propelled commercial aircraft ?!.

Some confusion there with the NC.290 project perhaps?

 

[hesham]

So weird,from JAWA 1947,the SNCAC NC.260 & NC.270 were a jet-propelled commercial aircraft ?!.

Some confusion there with the NC.290 project perhaps?

I am afriad from the concept, Re-allocated ?.

 

[PhR]

NC-3500 and NC-3501 are both rocket missiles. They became SE-4100.
NC-3510 and NC-3511 are ramjet-based missiles. They became SE-4200.
Attached files come from wind-tunnel reports.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.

 

[PhR]

NC.610 to NC.690 were unknown designs

At least the NC.610 project has existed:

 

[hesham]

At least the NC.610 project has existed:

Many great thans, my dear Philippe,but please can you translate what was it ?.

 

[PhR]

Many great thans, my dear Philippe,but please can you translate what was it ?.

The NC.610 was a project for a single-seat fighter with 2 Gnome-Rhône 14S engines, and a third one, a Béarn 6, to supercharge the 2 other ones. This architecture was tested on the NC.150 "Bi-Tri" prototype.

 

[hesham]

The NC.610 was a project for a single-seat fighter with 2 Gnome-Rhône 14S engines, and a third one, a Béarn 6, to supercharge the 2 other ones. This architecture was tested on the NC.150 "Bi-Tri" prototype.

For which competition it was intended ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

in early stage (pre-1945),there are many missing designs,included; NC.620 to NC.690,NC.710 to NC.790 ?.

 

[PhR]

Hi,

in early stage (pre-1945),there are many missing designs,included; NC.620 to NC.690,NC.710 to NC.790 ?.

No, they are not missing, unlike you find some documents showing these designations.

 

[PhR]

For which competition it was intended ?.

None. The Air Ministry never launched high altitude program.
However, some French manufacturers proposed their own projects and prototypes out of program, using private funds.

 

[hesham]

No, they are not missing, unlike you find some documents showing these designations.

I don't have anything about them,so I am asking.