Russian jet collides with U.S. Reaper drone over Black Sea - drone crashes

[njiiaf]

US says 'Reaper' drone crashes into Black Sea after Russian intercept

A Russian Su-27 fighter jet intercepted and struck the propeller of a U.S. military MQ-9 "Reaper" surveillance drone on Tuesday, causing it to crash into the Black Sea in an incident condemned as "unsafe" by the U.S. military.

www.reuters.com

Russian jet collides with US drone over Black Sea

The US says its drone was operating in international airspace when Russian jets tried to intercept it.

www.bbc.com

 

[njiiaf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635691846977433616

 

[Archibald]

Hope the drone pilot is OK... wait forget that.

 

[njiiaf]

Hope the drone pilot is OK... wait forget that.

Let's hope he didn't hurt himself ejecting out of his office chair.

 

[Archibald]

ROTFL you nailed it !

 

[TomS]

Hope the drone pilot is OK... wait forget that.

Let's hope he didn't hurt himself ejecting out of his office chair.

Office chair? Best gaming desk ever...

 

[Forest Green]

Very difficult to argue that this wasn't a deliberate downing, regardless of whether a missile was used.

 

[TomcatViP]

Russian jet collides with US drone in international airspace over Black Sea, official says

A Russian fighter jet collided with a U.S. military drone in international airspace over the Black Sea on Tuesday, according to defense officials.

www.foxnews.com

Reaper crash landed at sea. Not yet recovered .
Su-27 rtb. Status unknown.

Su-27 tried to dump fuel on the MQ-9 before that but with no results.

My guess is that Russians have already dried down their supply of stolen Swedish speed camera and are looking for an upgrade.

 

[TomS]

Very difficult to argue that this wasn't a deliberate downing, regardless of whether a missile was used.

Culpable, not necessarily intentional. Could be a deliberate close pass that was misjudged, as this researcher suggests. I mean, the fuel dump certainly suggest they wanted to impair the drone, but not necessarily destroy it. And EUCOM throws some shade by suggesting the incident indicates incompetence as well as unsafe and unprofessional practices.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635704403729457153

View: https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1635704403729457153

 

[Forest Green]

Culpable, not necessarily intentional. Could be a deliberate close pass that was misjudged, as this researcher suggests.

Black Sea Fleet working to recover wreckage. Wonder whether they'll give it back.

Russian Ministry of Defense claimed U.S. drone crashed into the sea on its own when Russian jet approached it, there was no contact. Black Sea fleet on the site working to retrieve debris Black Sea - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on

Russian Ministry of Defense claimed U.S. drone crashed into the sea on its own when Russian jet approached it, there was no contact. Black Sea fleet on the site working to retrieve debris. Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site dedicated...

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[Forest Green]

Black Sea Fleet working to recover wreckage. Wonder whether they'll give it back.

Russian Ministry of Defense claimed U.S. drone crashed into the sea on its own when Russian jet approached it, there was no contact. Black Sea fleet on the site working to retrieve debris Black Sea - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on

Russian Ministry of Defense claimed U.S. drone crashed into the sea on its own when Russian jet approached it, there was no contact. Black Sea fleet on the site working to retrieve debris. Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site dedicated...

liveuamap.com

 

[Dreamfighter]

Culpable, not necessarily intentional. Could be a deliberate close pass that was misjudged, as this researcher suggests. I mean, the fuel dump certainly suggest they wanted to impair the drone, but not necessarily destroy it.

Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.

 

[Forest Green]

Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.

Indeed, by analogy I wonder how people would feel about NATO aircraft dumping chaff and flares in the intakes of Tu-160s next time they're flying by Scandinavia.

 

[TomS]

Culpable, not necessarily intentional. Could be a deliberate close pass that was misjudged, as this researcher suggests.

I prefer "analysis of competing hypotheses."

 

[TomS]

Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.

I never said otherwise. A close pass is also intentional and aggressive. But it's not a deliberate downing.

I'm not attached to any specific theory of what the Russians intended. Just reminding people not to jump to conclusions too quickly.

 

[TomcatViP]

Very difficult to argue that this wasn't a deliberate downing, regardless of whether a missile was used.

Perhaps we should say a Deliberate drowning?

 

[Forest Green]

So conundrum. Suppose there is no response this time, what happens next time?

 

[Dreamfighter]

Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.

I never said otherwise. A close pass is also intentional and aggressive. But it's not a deliberate downing.

I'm not attached to any specific theory of what the Russians intended. Just reminding people not to jump to conclusions too quickly.

If my fighter-jets are dumping fuel on your drone, then I´m trying to disable or impair your drone.

 

[snne]

Russian jet collides with US drone in international airspace over Black Sea, official says

A Russian fighter jet collided with a U.S. military drone in international airspace over the Black Sea on Tuesday, according to defense officials.

www.foxnews.com

Reaper crash landed at sea. Not yet recovered .
Su-27 rtb. Status unknown.

Su-27 tried to dump fuel on the MQ-9 before that but with no results.

My guess is that Russians have already dried down their supply of stolen Swedish speed camera and are looking for an upgrade.

Not gonna lie, the first thing that came to my mind was this:

 

[Manuducati]

So conundrum. Suppose there is no response this time, what happens next time?

In October 2022, a RAF RC-135W was involved in an incident where a Su-27 "accidentally " released a missile, the consequence being subsequent Rivet Joint flights were escorted by Typhoons.
So the logical answer would be to escort the MQ-9 too? Or equip them with Sidewinder as a deterrence?

 

[sferrin]

Next time. . .

 

[F.L.]

Equip them with Sidewinder as a deterrence?

I don't think a poor little Sidewinder can scare the Flankers !!!

 

[F.L.]

L'histoire est un éternel recommencement...
History is an eternal restarting...

On 23 December 2002, an Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a U.S. Air Force unmanned MQ-1 Predator drone, which was performing armed reconnaissance over Iraq. This was the first time in history that an aircraft and an unmanned drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter aircraft, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of the Stingers, which missed, while the MiG's missile did not.

 

[Michel Van]

Equip them with Sidewinder as a deterrence?

I don't think a poor little Sidewinder can scare the Flankers !!!

let that the Sidewinder to decide...

 

[sferrin]

Equip them with Sidewinder as a deterrence?

I don't think a poor little Sidewinder can scare the Flankers !!!

Do you really think Flanker pilots are that stupid?

 

[Manuducati]

As a reminder...

Heat-Seeking Missile-Armed MQ-9 Reaper Shot Down Target Drone During Exercise

The late 2017 drill was another step toward giving the unmanned aircraft their own air-to-air capabilities.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Michel Van]

Do you really think Flanker pilots are that stupid?

nope, just matter of reaction time, a game a Sidewinder mostly wins

A example how much time, a pilot has between missile comes and ejection (note subsonic and not sidewinder)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g5yvlAbrCk

 

[aonestudio]

Russian Fighter Strikes U.S. Unmanned Aircraft

A Russian Su-27 aircraft struck an Air Force MQ-9 unmanned aerial vehicle's propeller, causing U.S. forces to bring the MQ-9 down into international waters of the Black Sea.

www.defense.gov

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635766881628876800

View: https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1635766881628876800

 

[Forest Green]

Do you really think Flanker pilots are that stupid?

Have you seen their driving?

 

[njiiaf]

Do you really think Flanker pilots are that stupid?

Have you seen their driving?

Not great, apparently...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635766881628876800

View: https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1635766881628876800?t=tlr4QY4rv3ZyRuNMve0Wyg&s=19

The absolute state of the Russian Air Force. They struggle to gain air superiority over a smaller, weaker nation equipped with ‘80s vintage aircraft, can’t do basic SEAD/DEAD against outdated versions of their own air defenses, and are now accidentally crashing into large, subsonic drones. I almost feel 2nd hand embarrassment.

 

[Foo Fighter]

Was it a crash for cash insurance scam? I know they are short of readies in Russia lately.

 

[Moose]

Was it a crash for cash insurance scam? I know they are short of readies in Russia lately.

Most likely it was the most dreaded of all pilot states in aviation, the "Hey, watch this!"

 

[Orionblamblam]

Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.

Indeed, by analogy I wonder how people would feel about NATO aircraft dumping chaff and flares in the intakes of Tu-160s next time they're flying by Scandinavia.

Flares and chaff are kinda crude and obvious. A better solution: release clouds of Icelandic volcanic ash to deal with tailgaters. I wonder how well TU-160's land with limited pilot visibility and gritted-up turbines?

 

[Justo Miranda]

L'histoire est un éternel recommencement...
History is an eternal restarting...

On 23 December 2002, an Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a U.S. Air Force unmanned MQ-1 Predator drone, which was performing armed reconnaissance over Iraq. This was the first time in history that an aircraft and an unmanned drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter aircraft, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of the Stingers, which missed, while the MiG's missile did not.

First time?

Spitfire Pilots Had An Amusing Method Of Intercepting Flying Bombs

Tipping Point. Towards the end of World War II Germany was on the losing side, so desperate times called for desperate measures. This allowed some of Germany's greatest minds to create innovative technology in an attempt to drive back the Allied Forces. Among those innovative weapons was the V1 Fly

worldwarwings.com

 

[southwestforests]

A better solution: release clouds of Icelandic volcanic ash to deal with tailgaters. I wonder how well TU-160's land with limited pilot visibility and gritted-up turbines?

Brings to mind the Sandcaster weapon from the Traveller RPG.

 

[jeffb]

ISW:


Rybar:

 

[publiusr]

Hope the drone pilot is OK... wait forget that.

Let's hope he didn't hurt himself ejecting out of his office chair.

Office chair? Best gaming desk ever...

He dropped a crisp, and his belly hit the stick as the close pass started him.

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635896384279703552

View: https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1635896384279703552

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635902838101651457

View: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1635902838101651457

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635916218203795456

View: https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1635916218203795456

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA10MmgaXjI

 

[F.L.]

Transmitted by a Ukrainian twitty. Nothing proves that the video is recent.
And I think the drone looks a bit 3d...
History has already shown rigged events precipitating the world into war.