FighterJock
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Let's wait and see who buy's the SABRE technology from Reaction Engines, it will be very interesting to see where the technology ends up.
35 years without managing to create a sellable product was pretty good going for a supposed manufacturing company.Surprised it took this long
The same heat exchanger on a different type of engine that no engine manufacturer is planning to make for an aircraft that may or may not start development in another 5-10 years time?Article has a picture of something that shows how far they had come from the Skylon dream.
I remember having a tour a few years back and thinking 'woo hoo space planes' and then they talked about kettles.35 years without managing to create a sellable product was pretty good going for a supposed manufacturing company.
They were really a research company though. Hopefully their SMEs in HX design etc. find employment in other companies and carry their expertise with them to find exploitation routes.
Everyone needs a hand made Inconel heat exchanger in their kettle...I remember having a tour a few years back and thinking 'woo hoo space planes' and then they talked about kettles.
I would like to know, what kind of propulsion we see on this pic, maybe a wet cycle gas turbine?Also this: https://breakingdefense.com/2024/10...chains-after-collapse-of-hypersonic-supplier/
Article has a picture of something that shows how far they had come from the Skylon dream.
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Let's be frank; there weren't much to save. Their progress for 35 (!) years was next to nonexistent. Basically all they have is an engine concept - not even prototype! - and a probably-innovative heat exchanger that kinda sorta seems to work on testing. That's all they got for third-of-century and hundred of millions worth of time and efforts. Whatever their ideas may be, their engineering process was extremely inefficient and disorganized; they moved on literally glacial pace, and doesn't seems to find this alarming at all.Yeah, let's face it, why sweep in and save the company when you can wait and buy all the IP for sod all
Well, I believe that they were sincere enough when they started, but quickly realized that SSTO space jet idea is too great to handle, and decided to concentrate their efforts on the engine concept - basically hoping that they would be able to attract commercial and government interest by mere idea, and got enough money to somehow make engine work.They have been running a scam for many years but many did not want to hear it.
I got attacked here many times by aggressive fanboys for pointing that out.
"Didn't work" is, I believe, an incorrect reading of what's out there about RE. It seems more like their architecture worked in testing, but it needed substantial investment to bring from laboratory to high-TRL. RE had money, at times, but not anything like what was required. Their partners seemed to hope they'd scrape it together, possibly from the UK itself, but none was willing to be the one carrying the financial load themselves.In later years - when the funding run dry and they still produced absolutely nothing worthy of 100+ millions spent - they tried to present the heat exchanger (apparently the only thing developed to some meaningful extent) basically to anyone who may be interested. Apparently it didn't work.
The concept was sound; the problem was with developers, who simply did not know how to organize the development process.REL precooler and Skylon design were validated by an ESA assessment study.
Until now, we don't know how the de icing should worked, is there no patent for it?
The anti icing invention is patented (over several patents) and is deliberately presented in a defensive way to make the solution they’re using difficult to establish. This is quite a commonly used practice to balance protection and confidentiality. I have a thought on what their anti icing approach but absolutely no validation.Until now, we don't know how the de icing should worked, is there no patent for it?
I would also like to know, how to seal the turbines, so that no mixing of air/H2/lO2/He would happen as well as no leakage of Helium.
In the video (#64) Mr. Bond talked about building a prototype engine (as I understand it, only for the thermodynamics) in the 3. step of the developing process, did it ever happen?
I read it, very likely you didn't read my reply...I suggest you and others reread all my previous posts which started here:
The only reason I started posting about the REL fraud in may 2022 was because I picked up a rumour that they were planning an IPO (Initial Public Offering) in order to seize 1 to 2 billion pounds from institutional and private investors by selling them basically worthless shares, because the original stakeholders (BAe, RR, UKSA, ESA, ....) no longer wanted to drop money into that black hole.
A couple of months later they officially announced that there would be an IPO in 2024. Luckily that never happened.
Let's wait and see who buy's the SABRE technology from Reaction Engines, it will be very interesting to see where the technology ends up.
Their heart exchangers are used in f1.35 years without managing to create a sellable product was pretty good going for a supposed manufacturing company.
They were really a research company though. Hopefully their SMEs in HX design etc. find employment in other companies and carry their expertise with them to find exploitation routes.
Mr DaggerI suggest you and others reread all my previous posts which started here:
The only reason I started posting about the REL fraud in may 2022 was because I picked up a rumour that they were planning an IPO (Initial Public Offering) in order to seize 1 to 2 billion pounds from institutional and private investors by selling them basically worthless shares, because the original stakeholders (BAe, RR, UKSA, ESA, ....) no longer wanted to drop money into that black hole.
A couple of months later they officially announced that there would be an IPO in 2024. Luckily that never happened.
It was in the media in august 2022, a couple of months later.Mr Dagger
You refer to the IPO as a “rumour” but it was a public domain statement, reported in numerous media outlets including SkyNews. You seem to be distorting information to justify your role as some kind of Robin Hood*.
BAE Systems, which company records indicate held 1.15 million ‘B Ordinary’ shares, says: “We recognise this is a difficult time for everyone at Reaction Engines and we’re keen to explore potential employment opportunities which may be of interest for those affected.”
I've no doubt the administrators will be delighted if BAE want to take on the IP as well as the staff, but I've no doubt they'll want a few pounds for it.They can grab as many of the former employees as they like and also take the technology too
But how many pounds will the administrators want? That is the question. I suppose that you cannot get the technology for free, there has to be some sort of agreeement between the administrators and BAE Systems as to how much money they are willing to pay.