It looks imaginary to me--like a cross between a PZL.23 Karas and an Il-2.
Again ?,

from, Samoloty Wojskowe w Polsce 1924-1939;

PZL SALMON

Eng. Stanisław Prauss started in 1939, work on the design of the next light bomber,
intended, inter alia, down attack from a diving flight. The work was undertaken on
the initiative of the same constructor. The construction of the airframe referred to
the liner plane PZL Sum. But he had more compact silhouette, smaller dimensions,
two-man crew and undercarriage retractable in flight. The under-fuselage gondola
has been decommissioned. The drive was a Hispano-Suiza in-line engine. The technical
conditions for the aircraft have not yet been established and some details of Ing. Prauss
he consulted on an ongoing basis with Col. pil. obs. Eng. Tytus Karpinski
- Chief of Aviation Factory Management (KFL) at the Aviation Command.
In August 1939, the project was at a stage early work and sketches
conceptual.
 

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PZL-42 test prototype before PZL-46 SUM
 

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1934 ....PZL-22The first and only Polish tailless aircraft...He has not been flown.......
 

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1934 ....PZL-22The first and only Polish tailless aircraft...He has not been flown.......
The wing planform looks flyable, but I question if it has enough vertical fin for directional stability (yaw).
 
PWS-19 second prototype
 

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Hello again

I'm still working in free time to make some renders of Polish Projects before 1939.

Some examples (old and new):

PZL-48 Lampart
http://www.szymonkot.cal.pl/rendery/PZL-48 Lampart.jpg

PZL-55 (PZL-62)
http://www.szymonkot.cal.pl/rendery/PZL.55 Na trawie.jpg
http://www.szymonkot.cal.pl/rendery/PZL.55 Shark.jpg

RWD-22
http://www.szymonkot.cal.pl/rendery/RWD-22 na wodzie.jpg
http://www.szymonkot.cal.pl/rendery/RWD-22.jpg

PZL-49 Miś (Teddybear) - under construction
http://www.szymonkot.cal.pl/rendery/PZL-49 Mis.jpg

In future planes: PZL-3, PZL-18 and TS-16 Grot
its been 11 years but do you uh have the renders
 
Hi,
A.Glass in his books gives information about the preliminary design of the PZL P.28 fighter with an in-line engine for Yugoslavia, implemented in cooperation with the French engine manufacturer Loraine. The construction of the prototype did not take place because the Yugoslavs chose the Hawker Furry. I built a cardboard model of this fighter based on the descriptions in the mentioned books. Below is a picture of this model.
 

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Hi,
A.Glass in his books gives information about the preliminary design of the PZL P.28 fighter with an in-line engine for Yugoslavia, implemented in cooperation with the French engine manufacturer Loraine. The construction of the prototype did not take place because the Yugoslavs chose the Hawker Furry. I built a cardboard model of this fighter based on the descriptions in the mentioned books. Below is a picture of this model.
http://www.samolotypolskie.pl/samoloty/2402/126/PZL-P-28

From the beginning of the 1930s, the State Aviation Works tried to obtain an order from the military aviation of Yugoslavia for fighter aircraft of its own design. In June 1931, the PZL P-6 fighter aircraft was presented in Belgrade . In December 1933, a proposal was made to deliver 20 PZL P-11 fighter aircraft to Yugoslavia and to grant a license for their production. In September 1934, a squadron of eight PZL P-7a and two Lublin R-XIII aircraft visited Yugoslaviaunder the command of General L. Rayski. On September 12, General Rayski flew to Bucharest and Lwów, the next day the rest of the squadron left Belgrade, heading home. However, Lt. pil. Mieczysław Medwecki, who was to conduct a series of tests and demonstrations of the PZL P-7a aircraft . Unfortunately, on September 18, 1934, these attempts ended in disaster. The plane was heavily damaged and Lt. pil. M. Medwecki wounded.
Unfortunately, the summary of the PZL P-7a tests was not very optimistic. The advantages of the Polish machine were emphasized, such as maneuverability, maneuverability, ease of piloting. Many shortcomings were also reported, e.g. insufficient speed and ceiling, poor visibility from the cabin due to the large diameter of the engine and its arrangement. The PZL P-7a aircraft had no chance for export success, so it was necessary to come up with a new, defect-free previous proposal.

In May 1935, the Yugoslav Air Command suggested offering Yugoslavia the latest PZL P-24 fighter , equipped with the Lorraine Dietrich "Petrel" 12 HD.RS engine equipped with a compressor, with more power than the version used to drive the P-8/II . With the new engine, the P.8 was supposed to reach a maximum speed of 400-420 km/h. The Polish side considered the presentation of the PZL P-8/II aircraft with the "Petrel" engine in Belgrade . The aircraft was equipped with a Lorraine engine, older than the type suggested by the Yugoslav side, and in its existing condition did not meet military requirements. Therefore, it was proposed to present PZL P-11c aircraft in Yugoslavia or to develop a project for the PZL P-28 fighter, equipped with a Lorraine Dietrich "Petrel" engine. It was a further development of the PZL P-8 aircraft , using assemblies from the PZL P-24 (wings, empennage, landing gear). The design of the PZL P-28 aircraft was developed by Wsiewołod Jan Jakimiuk . If a potential contractor is interested, this machine could be made within six months. However, the cost of implementing the P-28 project , which would have to be covered by the Yugoslav side, would have to be quite high. In relation to the already produced PZL P.11c aircraft (because it is he, not PZL P-24it was to become the basis for possible modifications) only the wings, part of the landing gear, the empennage, the pilot's seat and part of the cockpit equipment could remain without significant changes. However, they would have to be replaced, e.g. fuselage, covers, tanks, radiators, propeller. In contrast, the engine was to be supplied free of charge by Lorraine Dietrich .

However, it was found that the performance of the PZL P-28 aircraft could not be better than that of the PZL P-24 . Therefore, the delivery of PZL P-11c aircraft with the French Gnôme Rhône K9 engine or the English Bristol "Mercury VI" or the PZL P-24 fighter was offered . The Polish proposals were not accepted. The postulate of financing the cost of making the PZL P-28 aircraft was considered impossible to meet. Ultimately, Yugoslavia did not purchase Polish fighters. Also PZL P-28 remained only in the project. Work was stopped in 1935.

Construction :
Single-seat strutting high-wing monoplane with a metal structure.
Cabin covered.
Classic tailplane, horizontal stabilizers supported by struts.
Classic fixed landing gear.

Armament - 2 fixed 7.9 mm Vickers E machine guns in the front of the fuselage and (optionally) 2 fixed 20 mm Oerlikon cannons in the wings. Bombs - four light bombs weighing 12 kg each on the outer hooks under the wings.

Equipment - radio station, equipment for night flights.

Engine - in-line V-type Lorraine Dietrich "Petrel" 12 HD.RS with a maximum power of 570 kW (775 HP).

Technical data of the PZL P-28 (according to [3]):
Wingspan - 10.5 m, length - 7.56 m, height - 2.75 m, carrying area - 18.00 m 2 .
Curb weight - approx. 1130 kg, total weight - 1755-1816 kg.
Estimated max speed - 420 (according to [1] - 425) km/h, climb - 12 m/s, climb time to 5000 m - 6', range 750 km.
 
Hi,
A.Glass in his books gives information about the preliminary design of the PZL P.28 fighter with an in-line engine for Yugoslavia, implemented in cooperation with the French engine manufacturer Loraine. The construction of the prototype did not take place because the Yugoslavs chose the Hawker Furry. I built a cardboard model of this fighter based on the descriptions in the mentioned books. Below is a picture of this model.
That is a very nice model, built in a difficult medium.
 
Hi,

Col. Ludomila Rayski of October 11, 1932 states that Poland should have multi-seat combat machines armed with cannons, which would be able to fight bombing aircraft both day and night, and to cover our daytime bombing expeditions.

One of the considered concepts was the construction of a turret fighter based on the design of the PZL-23 "Karaś" aircraft. It can be assumed that it appeared relatively early, as early as 1932. However, traces of it can be found even in 1934. In the paper Aviation - after the first year of expansion from April 1934, there was information that the Department of Aviation has in its studies [...] an airframe thought. two-seater with cannon. This may be the first information about the already considered PZL-38 "Wilk" aircraft, which, however, seems unlikely given the relatively early stage of this work, only the PZL-23 remains known from the known constructions.

Other clues indicating the work on the aircraft in this configuration are provided by the preserved information about the planned installation of a retractable gun turret on the PZL-23 in 1933, designed by Eng. Zbysław Ciołkosz and the purchase of a Vickers aviation plot for him. In the conditions of the early 1930s, installing such weapons to combat land targets was out of the question - it would be a solution completely unrelated to the then Polish tactical views on the use of aviation, as well as probably a world sensation in technical terms. The only justification for the cannon on the PZL-23 seems to be the function of a fighter armed with cannons.

 

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From this book.
 

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Hi, my name is Jacek Rajewski and I have just joined this forum. For many years I have followed all available news on projects of pre-war Polish aircraft, especially those planned in late 30-ties. Thanks to data presented on this forum my knowledge of these secrect project has definitele become more complete, THANKS :)
However, I still have some missing pieces and I hope someone could help me to solve these. One of them is a planned development of Nikol's A-2 flying boat - its two-engine version A-4. Anyone got any more data on this project?
 
Welcome aboard Jacek,

and for Nikol A.4,please see;

Thanks for your feedback. I also have info on A-2 from two sources - A.Glass - Polish airborne constructions 1893-1939 and A.Morgala - Polish military aircraft 1918-1939, but they only indicate that the A-4 project was started and dropped after outbreak of war with practically very limited info and no possible plans. Indication in your reference that A-4 could look as smaller scale of Short Sealand flying boat seems very interesting, especially including othe comments on the plane shape.
Do you have any idea of possible source of such info by the author (by the way what book is it?)?
Maybe you also came across such A-4 imaginary plan?
 
I have also another source, Polskie Samoloty Wojskowe 1918-1939
 

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I have also another source, Polskie Samoloty Wojskowe 1918-1939
Yes, this is one of the books I have mentioned earlier. The A-4 is also mentioned in Lotnictwo morskie II Rzeczypospolitej by A.Olejko, but again just an indication and no data. The article you sent me earlier gives most technical data including this on possible engines and similarity to Short Sealand, that's why I wondered if the author had some access to some new source of info?
 
Nikol A-2 finisch-captuted airplane...
 

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Nikol A-2 finisch-captuted airplane...
Thanks, I have seen these and some more nice photos of the single constructed plane. You may also know that A-2 was planned to be used as a catapult seaplane for our minelayer Gryf and our newest destoyers of Grom-class, but finally the idea was dropped. If you are interested I have a formal drawing of such catapult with A-2 that was to be fitted amidships for both ship classes.
However this still leaves unsolved our issue with A-4. I have checked for Short Sealand plane and now I can imagine how A-4 could look like, but if any original plans for this plane were available, I would appreciate any help ;)
 
It sounds like Jerzy Nikol's unbuilt A 1 design was similar to the A 2. According to Flieger-web, design work began when Nikol returned from France to Poland in 1929. The A 1 was the be a twin-engined, 4-seat amphibian with retractable beaching gear. The plan was to use the A 1 for pilot training as well as for an air taxi service (on planned Gdynia-Gothenburg and Gdynia-Copenhagen routes). Lack of funds killed the A 1 project.

In May 1929, Jerzy Nikol got the Polish Navy's interested in a multi-purpose amphibian. Based on A 1, this new flying boat concept would emerge as the A 2. (The description of the A 4 project as a twin-engined 4-seater makes me wonder if Jerzy dusted off and moderized his A 1 plans to create the A 4?)

That A 1 designation raises another question. We know what the Nikol A 1, A 2, and A 4 designs were. So, was there a 'Nikol A 3' design? Or was that designation skipped over in favour of a 2-seat A2 and 4-seat A 4?
 
It sounds like Jerzy Nikol's unbuilt A 1 design was similar to the A 2. According to Flieger-web, design work began when Nikol returned from France to Poland in 1929. The A 1 was the be a twin-engined, 4-seat amphibian with retractable beaching gear. The plan was to use the A 1 for pilot training as well as for an air taxi service (on planned Gdynia-Gothenburg and Gdynia-Copenhagen routes). Lack of funds killed the A 1 project.

In May 1929, Jerzy Nikol got the Polish Navy's interested in a multi-purpose amphibian. Based on A 1, this new flying boat concept would emerge as the A 2. (The description of the A 4 project as a twin-engined 4-seater makes me wonder if Jerzy dusted off and moderized his A 1 plans to create the A 4?)

That A 1 designation raises another question. We know what the Nikol A 1, A 2, and A 4 designs were. So, was there a 'Nikol A 3' design? Or was that designation skipped over in favour of a 2-seat A2 and 4-seat A 4?
Have you seen/ do you have any access to any drawings/ design of A-1, or A-4? In one of Hesham's documents there is an indication that A 4 , with a two-step hull, could externally resemble a scaled-down version of Short Sealand, but then it would have a totally different design to A-2?
 
Alas, I have not seen any drawings for the Nikol A 1 or A 4 projects. However, I am sceptical of that Short Sealand comparison.

The Sealand had a single-step hull. A better analogy might be the Grumman G-44 Wideon - which as a 5-seater would also have been closer in scale.
 
Welcome aboard Jacek,

and for Nikol A.4,please see;

Can you please specify identity of the source, ie. book or article author/ editor/ year etc that you have scanned, because it seems it is so far the only indication of A-4 link with Short Sealand? As you could see another analogy with Grumman G-44 Widgeon was proposed, but I can imagine your original author must have seen some A-4 drawing/ design to have proposed analogy with Short Sealand?
 
Can you please specify identity of the source, ie. book or article author/ editor/ year etc that you have scanned, because it seems it is so far the only indication of A-4 link with Short Sealand? As you could see another analogy with Grumman G-44 Widgeon was proposed, but I can imagine your original author must have seen some A-4 drawing/ design to have proposed analogy with Short Sealand?

It's, Polish Aircraft 1893-1939 [Putnam]
 
It's, Polish Aircraft 1893-1939 [Putnam]
Can you also please specify name of the author and year of edition? I have a Polish book Polskie konstrukcje lotnicze 1893-1939 by A. Glass, covering as you see the same period, but the English description of A-4 is not the same as Polish, so most probably the author had also access to other sources of info. Maybe I could try to approach him with this question? :)
 
Can you also please specify name of the author and year of edition? I have a Polish book Polskie konstrukcje lotnicze 1893-1939 by A. Glass, covering as you see the same period, but the English description of A-4 is not the same as Polish, so most probably the author had also access to other sources of info. Maybe I could try to approach him with this question? :)

Here it's
 

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