Potez and Potez-CAMS flying boats and seaplanes

[Justo Miranda]

Potez CAMS 160 and 161

Model and prototype
source
-le fanatique de l'Aviation unknown issue

 

[Justo Miranda]

Potez 453

French fighter flying boat prototype
source
-le fanatique de l'Aviation unknown issue

 

[Avimimus]

Well, that could easily outfly the fighter variant of the Shavrov Sh-2 ;D

Though, If I recall correctly, the Shavrov was better armed.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Potez-CAMS 170

French fighter seaplane project
-unknown source

 

[flying-finn]

I'm found out that there are still nobody posting anything about this beautiful flying boat!

Potez-C.A.M.S. 141 Antares

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some additional info from
-Warplanes of the Second World War-Volume Five- by William Green
-Unknown source

 

[airman]

Potez CAMS 160 and 161

Model and prototype
source
-le fanatique de l'Aviation unknown issue

this is new for me : i suppose are civil and military variant ( 160 and 161)

 

[Stargazer]

The 160 was the sub-scale flying model of the 161 as shown here:

 

[Apophenia]

Nice Stargazer' ... where is that from?

A bit more on the 160 from Flight...

 

[Stargazer]

The collage is by me, but the artwork is by Jean Molveau, a French author and photographer who did several very good books on French aircraft. Now where did I get these scans from? I thought it was from this very forum, but then perhaps not!

 

[flying-finn]

I don't remember where i got this picture, but it seems to me it would be appropriately to post it here.
May be anyone of you can tell some words about it,

 

[Jemiba]

I've seen this picture before on the Nexusboard, were it was described as a large
Mistel, intended for an attack on the US homeland. Besides the doubtful source,
there are other points of criticism, I think. It would have been purely a one-off
combination, so a one-off mission, but quite a large effort for it. A float plane version
of the Bf 109 was never developed and why it would have been used here is hard to see,
I think. It just would have increased drag and reduced performance. For saving the pilot,
additional flotation gear would have done the same. But perhaps the intention was to land
right in New York harbour after the demolition of the Statue Of Liberty. And then, landing
a floatplane and leaving it at the pier, saluting in front of hundreds of reporters would have
looked much better, of course !

 

[Stargazer]

The profile is so poorly done that it is dubious from the start.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Fake :-\

 

[flying-finn]

The sponsons of the Me-109 are looking too small for it.

 

[Justo Miranda]

I'm found out that there are still nobody posting anything about this beautiful flying boat!

Potez-C.A.M.S. 141 Antares

In Luftwaffe service

 

[Apophenia]

Justo: despite its caption, that photo (from the Musée de Sartrouville) is not the four-engined 141. It is the prototype Potez-CAMS 161 (marked VE+WW) preparing for its maiden flight on the Seine near Sartrouville.

The prototype Potez-CAMS 161 was planned with four 2200hp Gnome & Rhône 18s or 1600hp GR 14Ns. Instead, it was finished with six of the more readily available 920hp HS-12Y-36/37s.

The Potez-CAMS 161 was destroyed by USAAF 1st Lt Urban Drew who claimed a "BV 222 destroyed on the waters of Schaal See" (later changed to be the Bv-238 prototype). The CAHS Journal (Summer 2008. p.73) details the problem with Drew's Bv-222 claim and identifies the aircraft involved as the Potez-CAMS 161. BTW, the Potez-CAMS 141 flew with E4 out of Dakar and was scrapped sometime in 1944.

 

[hesham]

From l'Aeronautique 1936,


I think those projects are the CAMS-100,CAMS-130 & CAMS-150,you can compare
with TU magazine Info.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the CAMS-59 was three engined torpedo bomber Project version of CAMS-52,with third
500 hp engine in the nose.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the CAMS-41 was a long range recce-bomber flying boat project of 1923,with two 400 hp
Lorraine 12Db engines,and the CAMS-41bis powered with two 450 hp engines.

 

[airman]

Fake :-\

Surely because BF-109W was a proposed floatplane version that i don't know if is fake o real project !

 

[hesham]

Hi,


I don't know what was this flying boat from Potez-CAMS of 1937 ?.



Brochure réalisée pour la conférence de Vitrolles (juin 2013)
Les hydravions à Vitrolles
(de CAMS à la SNCASE)

 

[hesham]

the CAMS-41 was a long range recce-bomber flying boat project of 1923,with two 400 hp
Lorraine 12Db engines,and the CAMS-41bis powered with two 450 hp engines.

The CAMS-43 was developed from CAMS-41,but powered by two 420 hp Gnome-Rhone
Jupiter 9A engines.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the CAMS-162 & CAMS-163 was derivative of CAMS-161,but no details are known,the CAMS-164
was also derivative of CAMS-161,accommodated 40 soldiers,39 ton weight and powered by six
950 hp Hispano Y engines.


TU magazine 169

 

[hesham]

Hi,


CAMS E32 (was different from CAMS-32) was a large flying boat monoplane project of 1932,
powered by four Gnome-Rhone 9Kbr engines in tandem position,63m span and metallic hull,
lost in a competition Loire-70 and Breguet Bizerte.

 

[hesham]

Also;


CAMS-71 was a large monoplane transatlantic flying boat of 16 ton,long range military
patrol powered by either four 500 hp or two 1000 engines.


TU magazine 169

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the CAMS-142 was a commercial version of CAMS-141,intended for South Atlantic.


TU magazine 169

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the CAMS-55/5 was a version of CAMS-55 with 500 hp Hispano 12Xbrg engines.

 

[blackkite]

Another three side view drawing and pictures of Potez-C.A.M.S. 141 flying boat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potez-CAMS_141

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2528079-Potez-CAMS-141

https://www.aviarmor.net/aww2/aircraft/france/potez_cams_141.htm

 

[hesham]

CAMS E32 (was different from CAMS-32) was a large flying boat monoplane project of 1932,
powered by four Gnome-Rhone 9Kbr engines in tandem position,63m span and metallic hull,
lost in a competition Loire-70 and Breguet Bizerte.

From Le Fana 231.

 

[Boxman]

This newsreel wartime compilation of gun camera footage appears to show the partially sunk Potez-CAMS 161 being strafed by 2nd Lt. Ronald M Howard (USAAF), 55th Fighter Squadron, 20th Fighter Group, on October 6, 1944.

See between the 4min 44sec to 4 min 50sec mark.
YouTube - British Pathe: "Combat Footage Aircraft (1944)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXUs3PWH6es

 

[Caravellarella]

A lovely scale model (not mine) of the Potez-CAMS 141 Antarès......



Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[hesham]

A lovely scale model (not mine) of the Potez-CAMS 141 Antarès......

Very nice my dear Caravellarella.

 

[Bazinga]

http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/cams.pdf

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Potez CAMS 161.
Please take care retractable stabilizing floats and retractable radiators.
Surprisingly this flying boat had wing skin cooler!!
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/flyboat/pcams161/
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Potez-CAMS_161
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Potez-CAMS_161_cutaway_L'Aerophile_December_1941.jpg

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
https://www.39-45.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=17408

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Potez-CAMS 141.

Review: French Flying Boats of WWII | IPMS/USA Reviews

When one looks at French aircraft of the period immediately before and during World War Two, it is evident that there were two schools of thought when it came to aircraft design! One school was to design elegant, graceful and beautiful aircraft.

web.ipmsusa3.org

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Potez 453.
https://www.facebook.com/Bruyneel.Patrick/photos/potez-453-1935-france-hydravion-de-chassele-potez-453-était-un-hydravion-monopla/2244367925781029/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! More CAMS 141.
https://www.passionair1940.fr/Aeron...le/Appareils/Hydravions/CAMS-141/CAMS-141.htm
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/BregeriePierre/10335.htm

 

[blackkite]

Hi! CAMS 110.
Cockpit shape is impressive.
"The CAMS 110 maritime reconnaissance biplane flying boat had wooden wings and a metal hull, and was powered by two 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Ydrs engines placed in in tandem, driving a push and a pull propeller. Its armament consisted of four 0.295 in (7.5 mm) Darne machine guns mounted in side ports, and a bomb load of 2,25 lb (1,000 kg) could be carried. Yves-Marie Lantz flew the aircraft on its first flight from Sartrouville in July 1934. Despite excellent performance the French Navy did not order the type."
Span: 73 ft 9.8 in (22.50 m)
Length: 53 ft 5.7 in (16.30 m)
Height: 19 ft 8.2 in (6.00 m)
Wing area: 1238.39 sq.ft (115.05 sq.m)
Weight empty: 12,170 lb (5,520 kg)
Loaded weight: 20,393 lb (9,250 kg)
Max speed: 149 mph (240 kmh)
Service ceiling: 21,325 ft (6,500 m)
Range: 1,678 mls (2,700 km)
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/BregeriePierre/10118.htm
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2008/07/05/french-flying-boats-and-amphibians/
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6553876m/f3