It appears the Titan had a catastrophic failure where it could have imploded. Wouldn’t SOSUS pick this up?
You'd certainly think so. This implosion in "The Abyss" was similar, though far FAR less energetic. I suspect that the air was compressed hot enough to begin dissociating, though there wasn't time for it.
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Well, no ᛋᚺᛁᛏ. You can always rely on people saying the blatantly obvious and the blisteringly inane in situations like this. Or when someone gets arrested.
I'd expect so, but then you'd have to get the data out of the USN and to the USCG.
There's no such thing as a slow leak under than much pressure!!!!!
Sure there is. Not 1/4", but damn near molecular-scale. Leaking past a *slightly* imperfect seal. Or, hell, between the fibers in a fiber-wound hull.
Having personally seen just how much water flows out of a 1/4" hole at 325+psi in the submarine flooding Damage Control trainer, yes, I am confident in those numbers I posted.
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Any implosion happens faster than the brain can process the information. under (edit) 0.002sec for total event time. That's (edit) 2 milliseconds, if you prefer that unit.
Well, *something* is squirrely. I used exactly the setup you gave, but changed the density to 1 gram per cubic centimeter... which is the same as 1000 kg/cubic meter, and lo and behold, the computer dun had isself a brain fart:
Did you match the units I used for each entry? because I had to change units on several of those fields.
Edit:
375atm starting pressure
1atm ending pressure
0.25" diameter
4" length
.0018 Pa*s dynamic viscosity
1000 kg/m^3 liquid density
Flow Rate Calculator (Pipe flow calculator)
Free online Flow Rate calculator which helps you calculate the flow rate of any pipe given its diameter and liquid/gas velocity or its height and width (for a rectangular pipe) and velocity. ➤ Calculate flow rate from pressure. Fluid flow rate through pipe given pressure difference at two...
okay, need to find a new calculator for this, as that calc is obviously fubar.Well, *something* is squirrely. I used exactly the setup you gave, but changed the density to 1 gram per cubic centimeter... which is the same as 1000 kg/cubic meter, and lo and behold, the computer dun had isself a brain fart:
Did you match the units I used for each entry? because I had to change units on several of those fields.
Edit:
375atm starting pressure
1atm ending pressure
0.25" diameter
4" length
.0018 Pa*s dynamic viscosity
1000 kg/m^3 liquid density
Flow Rate Calculator (Pipe flow calculator)
Free online Flow Rate calculator which helps you calculate the flow rate of any pipe given its diameter and liquid/gas velocity or its height and width (for a rectangular pipe) and velocity. ➤ Calculate flow rate from pressure. Fluid flow rate through pipe given pressure difference at two...
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Expected as much. SOSUS is incredibly capable. "The combination of location within the ocean and the sensitivity of arrays allowed the system to detect acoustic power of less than a single watt at ranges of several hundred kilometres." (from wiki) Tom Clancy said that the Ohio-class subs radiated about as much energy as a 40 watt lightbulb into the water, and Ohios are ghosts.
Or, you know, they needed to get "yes we detected an implosion" declassified so they could say it to the news. The very existence of SOSUS arrays was classified until 1991, and it had been operational since the mid 1950s.
MSFC worked with these clowns?
I‘m not a lawyer, but I gotta imagine that the liability waiver wouldn’t stand up. Like, it’s one thing to have a waiver that says, “I know that what I’m doing is extremely dangerous, if not probably fatal, even under the most advantageous circumstances, and I won’t sue if things go wrong on the ‘things will probably go wrong’ mission.” It’s quite another to say the piece of paper you yourself drafted indemnifies you from the consequences of what looks like obvious neglect on your part. Especially in light of the fact that they fired the engineer who raised red flags about the design.I do hope they savagely savage the company and the co-founder. Waivers my sorry a$$, if that submarine was a coffin, they have to pay. So far we know they cut corners on things like
- composites instead of steel or titanium
- the window not build to the correct depth pressure
- the hatch that couldn't be opened from the inside
Titanic sub: victims' families could still sue despite liability waivers
Liability waivers signed by passengers on a submersible lost at sea during a dive to the Titanic wreck may not shield the vessel's owner from potential lawsuits by the victims' families, legal experts said.www.reuters.com
There will be blood.
Indeed. Rather than being a "carbon fiber" structure, for all practical purposes it was a "phenolic resin" or "epoxy resin" structure. Which I would not go underwater in on a dare.
