Nieuport Designations

[hesham]

Hi,
some little known aircraft:

Nieuport Ni-13 :two seat school trainer aircraft powered by
Rhone 80 ch engine.

,, Ni.15 :two seat trainer monoplane.

,, Ni.18 :single seat fighter with radial engine.

,, Ni-19 :two seat twin engined bomber powered by
Hispano 150 ch engines.

,, Ni.20 :single engined two seat fighter.

,, Ni.26 :single engined two seat day bomber aircraft.

Nieuport-SNCAO ACA-5: single seat fighter.

 

[AM]

hi all

 

[hesham]

Also we can add;

Nie.VIII was a two seat sporting airplane
Nie.IX was a single seat airplane for Russia
Nie.18 was a twin engined three seat bomber,powered by two 150 hp Hispano-Suiza engines
Nie.19 was a twin engined three seat bomber,powered by two 150 hp Clerget engines
NiD.53M was a twin engined multi-place combat airplane Project.
NiD.92 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter Project
NiD.102 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter Project.

 

[hesham]

Need confirm on this;

Nie.22 was a single seat fighter Project,developed from Nie.23 ?.

 

[hesham]

Via my dear Tophe,

and from many sources,included TU magazine;

1908 was a monoplane,powered by one 20 hp engine
Ni.I was anther monoplane of 1910,powered by one 28 or 32 hp engine
Ni.II was a two-seat monoplane,also intended to use from the sea,it variants was,IIN with
the original Nieuport engine,IIA with 40 hp Anzani engine,IIB with 20 hp
Darracq engine and IIC with Gnome 50,70,100 hp engine
Ni.IIIA was a two-seat monoplane,powered by 40 Anzani engine
Ni.IVG was based on Type-II,but larger and with one,two or three seat,used as a seaplane,
powered by Gnome engine
Ni.VIM was a military version,monoplane with 50 hp Anzani engine
Ni.V maybe developed in this series,but no details
Ni.VI two/three seat sporting seaplane,powered by 100 hp Gnome engine
Ni.VII was a variant of Ni-VI,intended for Turkey
Ni.VIII was a two-seat sporting monoplane,developed from Type-VI for Turkey
Ni.IX was a single seat version of Ni.10,intended for Russia
Ni.10 was a single/two seat recce and fighter/trainer biplane,powered by different kind
of engines
Ni.11 was a single seat biplane fighter,powered by one 80 hp Rhone engine
Ni.12 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 110 Clerget 9Z engine
Ni.13 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,developed from Type-12,powered by one 140 hp HS
8 engine
Ni.14 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 175 hp HS 8Aa engine
Ni.15 was a two-seat sesquiplane light bomber,powered by one 220 hp Renault 12 engine
Ni.16 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 110 hp Rhone 9J engine
Ni.17 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one of different engines kind
Ni.18 was a twin engined sesquiplane bomber,powered by two 150 hp HS engines
Ni.19 was a twin engined sesquiplane bomber,the same as Type-18,but powered by two
150 hp Clerget engines
Ni.20 was a rwo-seat recce sesquiplane,developed from Type-12,powered by 110 hp
Rhone 9J engine
Ni.21 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 80 hp Rhone 9C engine
Ni.22 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 200 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,need confirm
Ni.23 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 110 hp Rhone 9Ja engine
Ni.24 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 130 hp Rhone 9Jb engine
Ni.25 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 200 hp Clerget 11E engine
Ni.26 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,developed from Type-24,with HS8A engine
Ni.27 was a single seat sequiplane fighter,powered by 130 hp Rhone 9Jb engine
Ni.28 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 160 hp Gnome 9Nc engine

to be continued

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I complete the last post to Type-28,and begin with Nieuport-Delage;

NiD-29 was a single seat biplane fighter,powered by 300 hp HS 8Fb V-8 piston engine
NiD-30 was a 4/6 passenger light airliner biplane,powered by one 350 hp Sunbeam Matabele engine,also called NiD-30T
NiD-31 was a single seat sequiplane or monoplane fighter,powered by 180 hp Rhone 9R engine
NiD-32 was a single seat shipboard biplane fighter,powered by 180 hp Rhone 9R engine
NiD-33 was a two-seat shipboard recce biplane,powered by one HS engine
NiD-34 was a single seat racer sequiplane Project,powered by one 500 hp Sumbeam-Coatalen engine,for Coupe Deutsch of 1922
NiD-35 was a three-seat recce float biplane,powered by one 150 hp Hispano-Suiza 8 Aa engine
NiD-36 ? was a two-seat torpedo bomber airplane of 1920/21,powered by one 500 hp Salmson engine,two were under construction for AT-2 category,but with terminating the program made then unfinished.
NiD-37 was a single seat fighter and racer monoplane,powered by one 300 HS 8Fb engine
NiD-38 was a two-passenger touring and light transport biplane,powered by one 180 hp HS 8Ab engine
NiD-381 was a developed version of Type-38,but powered by one 240 hp Renault 8Gd engine
NiD-390 was a four passenger light transport biplane,powered by one 180 HS 8Ac engine
NiD-391 was a main production version,powered by one 200 hp Armstrong Siddeley Lynx IVC engine
NiD-391/2 was NiD 391 with 30 cm (12 inch) fuselage stretch
NiD-391/3 was an ambulance version,intended for CAF
NiD-392 was a developed version of Type-391,remained a Project only
NiD-393 was a version,powered by one 240 hp Lorraine 7Ma engine
NiD-40 was a single seat high altitude fighter biplane,based on Type-29 for 1921 C.1 contest


to be continued

 

[hesham]

Hi,

NiD-41 was a single seat sesquiplane racer,powered by one 400 hp Wright-Hispano H-3 engine
NiD-42 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 450 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hb engine
NiD-43 was a two-seat shipboard or a float biplane,powered by 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hb engine
NiD-44 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 450 hp Lorraine 12Ew W-12 engine
NiD-450 was single seat float monoplane racer,powered by a 1200 hp HS 18R engine
NiD-45 was a six-passenger monoplane transport Project of 1924,powered by 500 hp Renault engine
NiD-450/II was a eight-passenger high-wing single engined light transport monoplane Project of 1928,never materialized
NiD-46 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Gb engine
NiD-47 was a twin engined two-seat fighter (C.2),with fuselage of Type-42,two in-line engines resting on the lure in tractive position
NiD-48 was a single seat parasol wing lightweight fighter monoplane,powered by 400 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Jb engine
NiD-481 was a single seat monoplane fighter,developed from Type-48,but powered by 240 hp Lorraine Algol Junior engine
NiD-49 was a single seat lightweight fighter Project of 1926,powered by 550 hp Renault V12 engine
NiD-49/II was a three engined amphibian seaplane biplane,accommodated eight-passenger,remained a Project,1929
NiD-50 was a four-seat torpedo bomber monoplane Project,powered by two 480 hp Gnome-Rhône 9A Jupiter engines

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I modify the description of NiD-34,to be more clearer.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

NiD-51 was a marine airplane Project of 1926,no more details
NiD-510 was a single engined transport airplane Project of 1929
NiD-52 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hb engine
NiD-53 was a multi role military and attack bomber Project,based on Type-50,powered by two 650 hp Lorraine Kd engines
NiD-540 was a single engined eight-passenger light transport biplane,powered by one 580 hp Renault 12Ki V-12 engine
NiD-541 was an improved version,powered by one 600 hp Lorraine 14Ae Antarès engine
NiD-542 was a Project version of Type-540,powered by one 600 hp Lorraine 14 Ae engine
NiD-545 was a Project version of Type-540,but fitted with guyed wing
NiD-550 was a sesquiplane postal transatlantic flying boat Project,powered by three Hispano engines
NiD-560 was a colonial transport monoplane Project,powered by single engine
NiD-570 was a colonial transport monoplane Project,but powered by three engines
NiD-580 was a two seat recce parasol wing monoplane,powered by one 650 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Nb engine
NiD-590 was a high-wing colonial transport monoplane,powered by three 300 hp Lorraine Algol engines
NiD-60 was a four-seat torpedo bomber monoplane Project,based on Type-50,powered by two engines
NiD-600 was a developed version of Type-60,but powered by four 240 hp Lorraine 7 Me Mizard engines

 

[hesham]

Hi,

NiD-61 ? was unknown,but may it was a single seat monoplane fighter project, submitted to Jockey program of 1926 or 1928 ?
NiD-62 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hb engine
NiD-621 was a twin floats,fighter trainer version,powered by one 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hb engine
NiD-622 was version,powered by 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Mdsh piston engine
NiD-623 was a converted version of Type-622 for speed record,powered by 600 hp Lorraine 12Fd Courlis engine
NiD-624 was a converted version of Type-622 for racer,powered by one 600 hp Lorraine 12Fd Courlis engine
NiD-625 was one Type-622 converted for parachute experiments,powered by 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Mdsh piston engine
NiD-626 was An exported version of Type-622,powered by 500 hp Lorraine 12Hdr engine
NiD-627 was a Project version of Type-622,powered by 300 hp Lorraine 9 Na engine
NiD-628 was an improved version,powered by 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Mc engine
NiD-629 was a version with modified wing and ailerons, powered by a 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Mdsh engine
NiD-63 ------?
NiD-640 was a high-wing four-seat light transport monoplane,powered by one 220 hp Wright J-5C radial engine
NiD-641 was a production version,powered by one 240 hp Lorraine 7M Mizar radial engine
NiD-642 was a anther version,powered by one 235 hp Armstrong Siddeley Lynx Major engine
NiD-650 was a single seat floatplane racer monoplane,powered by one 680 hp Hispano-Suiza 18 R engine
NiD-651 was a single seat floatplane racer monoplane,powered by 2200 hp Lorraine 12 Rcr engine,but the engine never arrived
NiD-652 was a single seat floatplane tacer monoplane,powered by 2000 hp Renault Ncr engine,but the airplane was never completed
NiD-660 ------?
NiD-670 ------?
NiD-680 ------?
NiD-690 was a high-wing colonial transport monoplane,powered by one 300 hp Lorraine Algol engine
NiD-700 ------?,speculative design maybe


To be continued

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I add NiD-651 & NiD-652 to the list.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


NiD-71 ------?
NiD-72 was a single seat sequiplane fighter,improved Type-52,powered by 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hb engine
NiD-73 ------?
NiD-740 was a postal and night mail high-wing monoplane,powered by three 95 hp Salmson 7Ac engines
NiD-741 was a version of Type-740,but powered by three 120 hp Salmson engines
Ni-75 ? could be a twin engined aircraft project,1934,may it was a transport
NiD-76 to NiD-79 probably not used
NiD-80 was a two-seat sesquiplane trainer,developed from Type-10,powered by 80 hp Rhone engine
NiD-81 was a single/two seat sesquiplane trainer,developed from Type-12,powered by 80 hp Rhone engine
NiD-82 was a single/two seat sesquiplane trainer,based on Type-12,powered by 80 hp Rhone engine
NiD-82/II was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,developed from Type-52,powered by 500 hp Lorraine 12 Ha engine,aircraft of 1930
NiD-83 was a single/two seat sesquiplane trainer,based on Type-80,powered by 80 hp Rhone engine
NiD-84 was a single fighter/trainer biplane,differs from Type-80,looks like Fokker D.VII,powered by 80 Rhone engine,remained a Project only
NiD-84/II was a convertiplane of radical design by that time (1932),powered by one 120 hp Lorraine engine
NiD-85 was a two-seat trainer biplane Project,in the same class as Type-33,powered by one 150 hp Hispano-Suiza 8Aa engine
Ni-85/II ? could be a 5000 kg weight aircraft project,1937
NiD-86 to NiD-91 probably not used
NiD-92 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter Project,tested at the Eiffel blower tunnel
NiD-93 problaby not used
NiD-940,NiD-941 & NiD-942 was a two-passenger tailles touring airplane,powered by one pusher 120 hp Lorraine 5Pc,120 hp Lorraine Pcs or 135 hp Salmson 9Nc respectively
Ni-95 ? could be a four engined aircraft project of 1938,may it was a transport
NiD-96 to NiD-101 probably not used
NiD-102 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter Project,tested at the Eiffel blower tunnel
NiD-103 & NiD-104 probably not used
NiD-105 was mentioned in Goerge Messier's site,with no more details

to be continued

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Ni-110 was used by Macchi as built under licence the Type-11
NiD-120 was a single seat parasol wing monoplane fighter,powered by one 650 hp Hispano-
Suiza 12 Nb engine
NiD-120H was a floatplane version of it
NiD-121 was a version of Type-120,but powered by 670 hp Lorraine-Dietrich 12H engine
NiD-122 was a version of Type-120,but powered by 690 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Xbrs engine
NiD-123 was a version of Type-120 for Peru,but powered by 720 hp Lorraine-Detrich 12Hdrs
engine
NiD-124 was a version of Type-122,with some modifications,including in particular aerodrome
compensation balance,powered by 690 hp HS 12 Xbrs engine
NiD-125 was improved version of Type-120,but powered by 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs
engine
Nie.130 was a single seat low-wing monoplane fighter Project,led to develop Type-160
Nie.140 was a two-seat inverted gull wing dive-bomber shipboard monoplane,powered by one
690 hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Xbrs
Nie.141 was a single seat version of Type-140,but powered by one 820 hp Hispano-Suiza
12 Ycrs engine,later became Lore-Nieuport LN-40
Nie.150 was a three seat low-wing fighter monoplane Project in C.3 category,led to develop
Loire-Nieuport LN-20
Nie.160 was a single seat low-cantilever wing monoplane fighter,powered by one 690 hp
Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine
Nie.161 was a second prototype of Type-160,but powered by one 860 hp Hispano-Suiza
12Ycrs engine
NiD-220,NiD-221,NiD-222,NiD-223 & NiD-224 was a development versions of Type-120,as
a single seat fighter Projects,fitted with various shape of parasol wings and high-wing
in different configurations with fuselage
NiD-225 was a single seat high-wing fighter monoplane,with improved visibility to the pilot,
powered by one 680 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs engine
NiD-226 was a single seat fighter Project,improved version of Type-122,with stretched
fuselage and more features
NiD-320 was an improved version also with good visibility to the pilot,Project only

to be continued

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is some little known variants;

NiD-29C.1 was a production version of Type-29
NiD-29C was a racer version of Type-29C.1
NiD-29C-1 was a high altitude version of type-29
NiD-29V was a racer aircraft version,has a four variants,No.1 was normal,No.2 was larger
in span and length,No.4 had a stretch low wing span and No.4 had a low cockpit
position
NiD-42HC1 was a single seat fighter seaplane version,on floats
NiD-42C-2 was a two-seat version,intended as a multi-role fighter,with a turret
NiD-42S was a larger version as a racer airplane,powered by one 600 hp Hispani-Suiza 12 Hb
engine,intended for Coupe Beaumont of 1924
NiD-72H was a floatplane version
NiD-120H was a floatplane Project version

to be continued

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a non-standard and un-named Nieuport aircraft and Projects;

1913 was a twin-boom single engined mounted in mid of the fuselage behind cockpit,seaplane
on floats,and in a high-wing monoplane configuration,had three seats
Nieu-Dunne was a floatplane tailless biplane,a Dunne design with a pusher engine,1913,
brought in France
1910 was anther monoplane of 1910,powered by one 28 or 32 hp engine
1916 was a two-seat recce biplane of 1916,powered by one 150 hp Rhone engine
Tri-1 was a triplane version of Type-10,powered by one 80 hp Rhone engine,1916
Tri-2 was a triplane version of Type-17,powered by one 110 hp Rhone 9J engine,1916
Tri-3 was a triplane version of Type-17,powered by one 130 hp Clerget engine,1916
Recce-1 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 150 hp Hispano-Suiza engine
Recce-2 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,improved from above,with 180 hp Lorraine-Dietrich
engine
Recce-3 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 200 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,some
sources suggested it was Ni-22
Bomber-1 was a two-seat sesquiplane light bomber of 1916,powered by one 160 hp Renault
engine
Bomber-2 was a twin-fuselage bomber biplane,powered by two 110 hp Clerget engines,1915
Bomber-3 was a two-seat bomber and attack sesquiplane,powered by one 10 hp Hispano-
Suiza engine
Fighter-1 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 150 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,
1916
Fighter-2 was a single seat sequiplane fighter of 1916,powered by one 150 hp Clerget engine
Fighter-3 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 250 hp Clerget engine,1917,
but no one know if it was built or not
Fighter-4 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter of 1917,powered by one 230 hp Rhone 9L
engine
Fighter-5 was a two-seat sesquiplane fighter of 1917,powered by one 370 hp Lorraine-Dietrich
12Da engine
Fighter-6 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter of 1918,powered by one 275 hp Lorraine-Dietrich
8Bd engine
Fighter-7 was a single seat high-wing monoplane fighter,powered by one 150 hp Gnome
monosoupape 9N engine,1918,called Madon
Fighter-8 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 300 hp Hispano-Suiza 8Fb
engine,1918
Racer-1 was a single seat sesquiplane racer airplane,intended for Coupe Deutch of 1921,
powered by one 300 hp Hispano-Suiza 8Fb engine
Racer-2 was anther single seat sesquiplane racer to 1923 contest,powered by one 410 hp
Wright H-3 engine
NiD C-1 Cellule was a high altitude single seat biplane,based on Type-29,in 1922
Biplane was a single seat racer biplane,based on Type-29,powered by 380 hp engine,intended
for Coupe Beaumont of 1924
A Low-Wing was a low-wing long range and raid monoplane Project,appeared in early 1930s,
powered by single engine and fixed main landing gear
A High-Wing was the same as above,intended for long distance record,but had a high-wing,
also powered by single engine and fitted with fixed landing gear,Project

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Nieuport-Tellier;

Type-BM was the same as Tellier T.5
Type-S was the same aircraft as Tellier T.6
Type-TM was the same as Tellier T.8
4R 450 was a transatlantic flying boat Project,powered by four 450 hp
Renault engines
Vonna was a transatlantic flying boat triplane Project,powered by four
325 hp Panhard-Levassor engines
Amphibian was a amphibian flying boat based on Tellier design,
powered by one 430 hp Darracq-Coatalen 12A engine,remained a
Project only


Note,I add anther two Projects to the non-standard list.

 

[hesham]

Finally,

here is the sources and references to this jop;

- TU (Trait d'Union) magazine
- Les avions Nieuport (1909-1950 )
- French Aircraft of the First World War
- Nieuport aircraft of World War One
- A-Z magazine
- The Complete Book of Fighters
- French Aeroplanes Before Great War
- Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1913
- Le Fana magazine some issues
- L'Aviation De Chasse Francaise 1918-1940
- Les Ailes journal
- http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/index.php
- https://www.aviafrance.com/constructeur.php?ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=960
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieuport

Please,any additions or corrects are welcome

 

[AM]

Via my dear Tophe,

and with many sources,included TU magazine;

1908 was a monoplane,powered by one 20 hp engine
Ni.I was anther monoplane of 1910,powered by one 28 or 32 hp engine
Ni.II was a two-seat monoplane,also intended to use from the sea,it variants was,IIN with
the original Nieuport engine,IIA with 40 hp Anzani engine,IIB with 20 hp
Darracq engine and IIC with Gnome 50,70,100 hp engine
Ni.IIIA was a two-seat monoplane,powered by 40 Anzani engine
Ni.IVG was based on Type-II,but larger and with one,two or three seat,used as a seaplane,
powered by Gnome engine
Ni.VIM was a military version,monoplane with 50 hp Anzani engine
Ni.V maybe developed in this series,but no details
Ni.VI two/three seat sporting seaplane,powered by 100 hp Gnome engine
Ni.VII ------?
Ni.VIII was a two-seat sporting monoplane,developed from Type-VI for Turkey
Ni.IX was a single seat version of Ni.10,intended for Russia
Ni.10 was a single/two seat recce and fighter/trainer biplane,powered by different kind
of engines
Ni.11 was a single seat biplane fighter,powered by one 80 hp Rhone engine
Ni.12 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 110 Clerget 9Z engine
Ni.13 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,developed from Type-12,powered by one 140 hp HS
8 engine
Ni.14 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 175 hp HS 8Aa engine
Ni.15 was a two-seat sesquiplane light bomber,powered by one 220 hp Renault 12 engine
Ni.16 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one 110 hp Rhone 9J engine
Ni.17 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one of different engines kind
Ni.18 was a twin engined sesquiplane bomber,powered by two 150 hp HS engines
Ni.19 was a twin engined sesquiplane bomber,the same as Type-18,but powered by two
150 hp Clerget engines
Ni.20 was a rwo-seat recce sesquiplane,developed from Type-12,powered by 110 hp
Rhone 9J engine
Ni.21 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 80 hp Rhone 9C engine
Ni.22 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 200 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,need
confirm
Ni.23 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 110 hp Rhone 9Ja engine
Ni.24 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 130 hp Rhone 9Jb engine
Ni.25 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 200 hp Clerget 11E engine
Ni.26 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,developed from Type-24,with HS8A engine
Ni.27 was a single seat sequiplane fighter,powered by 130 hp Rhone 9Jb engine
Ni.28 was a single seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by 160 hp Gnome 9Nc engine

to be continued

in my list:
Ni.IIB Ni.IID -Darracq
Ni.IIC Ni.IIG -Gnome
also Ni.IVH -2-seat floatplane
also Ni.VIH -3-seat sport floatplane and Ni.VIM -military observation landplane
Ni.XB (1st Ni.X) -3-seat sport monoplane project
Ni.X.AV -2-seat GP biplane. The pilot was seated in the rear
Ni.X.AR -2-seat GP biplane. The pilot was seated in the front
Nie.10 A2 -2-seat reconnaissance a/c, same as Type X.AR
Nie.10 C1 -Single-seat fighter
Nie.10 triplane -Testbed for triplane with unusual wing stagger
Ni.XI (1st Ni.XI) -Single-seat sport monoplane (x1)
Nie.12 A2 -2-seat artillery spotter and Nie.12bis C2 -2-seat reconnaissance fighter
Nie.14 A2 -2-seat artillery spotter and Nie.14 E2 -2-seat trainer and Nie.14bis -2-seat bomber
Nie.17 as Nie.17 and Nie.17bis
Nie.24 as Nie.24 and Nie.24bis

 

[hesham]

Many thanks my dear AM,

and I add anther two racer aircraft to the non-standard list.

 

[Nieuport]

Some clarifications:
The early sequence used for monoplanes up to XII or XIII was Nieuport's own numbering. This was then replaced by the SFA numbering system. The first (confirmed) aircraft in the SFA sequence was the 10 - the 9 for Russia was the designation the Russians used and was not necessarily Nieuport's. To distinguish between the late monoplanes, (X/XI/XII/XIII) Nieuport added a suffix, so the 10 "biplane" was Xb, the 11 was the XIb and the 12 was the XIIb - which seems to have only gone until XIII, at which time they dropped the b. Combined with the French SFA also using a designation system for classifying aircraft which assigned a B to the 11, that became the XI bB - or when pronounced in French, bebe.

Nieuport's drawings used the format of XXnnn, where XX was the model number (say 27) and the nnn was the part number, so that the base GA drawing is 27000, but the rudder (which didn't change from the 24) is part 24540.

The VII was a variant of the VI, ordered by Turkey, only one was delivered, while the Turks also captured a French VI or X.H. There is a lot of confusion over the difference between the VI.H and the X.H (late pre-war monoplane floatplane) - there is the possibility that hasn't been explored that one of those designations may have been Nieuport's (X.H) and the other the SFA's (VI) for the same aircraft. Some but not all of the aircraft identified as X.Hs have constant chord wings. That still needs more research.

A series of purpose-built trainers were assigned designations starting with 8 (probably for the 80hp LeRhone used)- creating:
80: based on the 12, with dual controls
81: based on the 12, with single controls for the rear cockpit only
82: based on the 14/14 E.2
83: based on the 10 E.2
All of these had significant detail differences from the original operational versions before them.

Because of the similarity of many designs, the wing areas (in square meters) were commonly used to describe various types during the war -
13m (or mq): Nieuport 11 and 16
15m: 17/17bis/21/23/24/24bis/27
18m: 10 and 83
23m: 12/80/81
30m: 14/82

Then there is this not-so little gem - a triplane bomber with no known designation:

 

[Nieuport]

The IV.G was based on the III.A but fitted with a Gnome instead of the Anzani - both are of similar size and share the same three Vee undercarriage, while the IIs all had a pair of Vees.

 

[hesham]

Amazing additions,many thanks Nieuport,

and welcome aboard,and do you have some Project drawings,or Info about NiD-36 or NiD-105 ?.

 

[hesham]

Then there is this not-so little gem - a triplane bomber with no known designation:

And maybe this triplane Project was NiD.36 ?.

 

[hesham]

What about Ni-V ?.

 

[Nieuport]

I have never come across a 36 or 105 (sorry), but there are several possibilities for the V (I favour the Nieuport-Dunne, "Carton-Pate" pusher, or another monoplane) - but I could not say which is most likely.

 

[hesham]

Thank you Nieuport,

and maybe the first suggesting is possible.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I think I get NiD-36,from L'Aeronautique journal and TU magazine,maybe I am right;

NiD-36 was a two-seat torpedo bomber airplane of 1920/21,powered by one 500 hp Salmson engine,two were under construction for AT-2 category,but with terminating the program made then unfinished.

 

[hesham]

From Aerophile 1913,

I think it was Nieuport Ni.V ?.

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplano 21,

here is a mention of Ni-5 or Ni-V as a military aircraft,maybe it was derivative of Ni-IV ?.

 

[hesham]

From Le Fana 619,

the Nieuport VII was a two seat monoplane.

 

[hesham]

Ni.22 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 200 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,need confirm

From Aviation magazine 1977,

the proof.

 

[Apophenia]

Ni.22 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 200 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,need confirm

From Aviation magazine 1977,

the proof.

Proof of the existence of a type XXII ('Ni.22') design. But refuting the type XXII being a single-engined reconnaissance type and no confirmation of crew size.

The text says bombardier bimoteur (Type XXII), so we know that it was a 'twin-engined bomber' (not a single HS-powered recce aircraft). By association with the type XB (and other types mentioned), we can assume a sesquiplane layout. But there is no mention of crew numbers.

 

[hesham]

Ni.22 was a two-seat recce sesquiplane,powered by one 200 hp Hispano-Suiza engine,need confirm

From Aviation magazine 1977,

the proof.

Proof of the existence of a type XXII ('Ni.22') design. But refuting the type XXII being a single-engined reconnaissance type and no confirmation of crew size.

The text says bombardier bimoteur (Type XXII), so we know that it was a 'twin-engined bomber' (not a single HS-powered recce aircraft). By association with the type XB (and other types mentioned), we can assume a sesquiplane layout. But there is no mention of crew numbers.

So weird.

 

[Whiterabbit72]

Some nice views of the Nieuport 1913 floatplane from Getty Images. It is odd that the aircraft is often referred to as a monoplane. The German drawing correctly describes it as a sequiplane. It is also variously described as a sport plane and a reconnaissance plane.

 

[hesham]

NiD-61 ------?

Was unknown,but may it was a single seat monoplane fighter project,submitted to Jockey program of 1926 or 1928 ?.

 

[hesham]

As Stargazer mentioned about three unknown projects for Nieuport, and I
assumed that, there were;

Ni-75 ? could be a twin engined aircraft project,1934,may it was a transport
Ni-85/II ? could be a 5000 kg weight aircraft project,1937
Ni-95 ? could be a four engined aircraft project of 1938,may it was a transport

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/sncao-designations-cao.19291/#post-717686

 

[Stargazer]

As Stargazer mentioned about three unknown projects for Nieuport, and I assumed that, there were;

Ni-75 ? could be a twin engined aircraft project,1934,may it was a transport
Ni-85/II ? could be a 5000 kg weight aircraft project,1937
Ni-95 ? could be a four engined aircraft project of 1938,may it was a transport

I don't know where I wrote as much... Indeed, there are A LOT MORE Nieuport designations that are unknown to me... Perhaps you could fill in some blanks here?

• Nieuport 22? (a recce aircraft derived from Nieuport 12?)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.61?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.63?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.66 to 68?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.70? NiD-71?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.73?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.75 to 81? (the list jumps from NiD-741 to Ni-D 82)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.83?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.86 to 91?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.93?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.95 to 99 (may not have existed)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.100? Ni-D.101? (the list jumps from Ni-D.942 to Ni-D.102)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.103 to 109? (may not have existed)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.110? (the list jumps from Ni-D.102 to Ni-D.120)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.111 to 119? (may not have existed)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.44? LN.45? (the list jumps from LN.43 to LN.46)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.47 to 49 ? (may not have existed)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.50? (LN.46 is followed by LN.560)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.51 to 55? (may not have existed)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.57 to 59? (may not have existed)
• S.N.C.A.O. CAO.100 (skipped because of LN.10?)

 

[hesham]

I don't know where I wrote as much... Indeed, there are A LOT MORE Nieuport designations that are unknown to me... Perhaps you could fill in some blanks here?

• Nieuport 22? (a recce aircraft derived from Nieuport 12?)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.61?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.63?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.66 to 68?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.70? NiD-71?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.73?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.75 to 81? (the list jumps from NiD-741 to Ni-D 82)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.83?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.86 to 91?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.93?
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.95 to 99 (may not have existed)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.100? Ni-D.101? (the list jumps from Ni-D.942 to Ni-D.102)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.103 to 109? (may not have existed)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.110? (the list jumps from Ni-D.102 to Ni-D.120)
• Nieuport-Delage Ni-D.111 to 119? (may not have existed)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.44? LN.45? (the list jumps from LN.43 to LN.46)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.47 to 49 ? (may not have existed)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.50? (LN.46 is followed by LN.560)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.51 to 55? (may not have existed)
• Loire-Nieuport LN.57 to 59? (may not have existed)
• S.N.C.A.O. CAO.100 (skipped because of LN.10?)

See the link,and the allocation of the designations are only my guess.