New China rules allow detention of foreigners in South China Sea

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In South China Sea dispute, Philippines' bolder hand tests Beijing

Huddled in the presidential situation room in February last year, senior Philippines officials faced a stark choice. Military and intelligence leaders watched as coast guard officers showed photos of what the agency said was a military-grade laser that China had pointed at a Philippines ship in...
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Military and intelligence leaders watched as coast guard officers showed photos of what the agency said was a military-grade laser that China had pointed at a Philippines ship in disputed waters days earlier.
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Oh dear...

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North Koreans face increasing repression and threat of starvation, U.N. says

“People are becoming increasingly desperate,” the U.N. rights chief told the Security Council in its first open meeting on human rights in North Korea since 2017.
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sferrin said:
Imagine the outrage if the US started hauling anybody it wanted to prison for the crime of sailing in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Probably the equivalent claim for the US would be insisting on sovereignty over anything claimed under the Guano Islands Act. Which, in the Caribbean, would look a bit like this, not allowing for median lines etc.

It would put the US in dispute with most of the Caribbean, and its neighbouring states, plus France, the United Kingdom, and the Netherlands. I suspect that China wouldn't give a damn, making it useless as a retaliatory measure
 
Yellow Palace said:
Probably the equivalent claim for the US would be insisting on sovereignty over anything claimed under the Guano Islands Act. Which, in the Caribbean, would look a bit like this, not allowing for median lines etc.

It would put the US in dispute with most of the Caribbean, and its neighbouring states, plus France, the United Kingdom, and the Netherlands. I suspect that China wouldn't give a damn, making it useless as a retaliatory measure
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Yes, but no. Once we dropped our lines around the entire West Coast, East Coast, Alaska, Hawaii, Midway, the Johnston Atoll, etc. Well, I think we know what kind of tantrums we'd hear out of China. Especially if we started attacking all comers with water cannon and ramming. Any Chinese fishing vessels would be fair game.
 
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Once we dropped our lines around Alaska, Hawaii, Midway, the Johnston Atoll, etc.
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The US already claims territorial waters and an exclusive economic zone based on those territories. Much more aggressive maritime law enforcement in those waters would probably raise eyebrows, but nobody really questions that they're United States territory. If you look at a shipping traffic density map, you'll see a lot of arcs with a radius of about 200 nautical miles. That's the fishing fleets avoiding other people's territory.

The various uninhabited islands once claimed under the Guano Islands Act - list here - are a better analogy for what the Chinese are up to in the South China Sea. Not quite equivalent, but still basically amounts to 'uninhabited island of no real value that we're insisting is ours'.

The way they enforce their position under international law isn't nearly as concerning as the fact that they seem to think anywhere a Chinese foot once stood belongs to them.
 
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The US already claims territorial waters and an exclusive economic zone based on those territories. Much more aggressive maritime law enforcement in those waters would probably raise eyebrows, but nobody really questions that they're United States territory. If you look at a shipping traffic density map, you'll see a lot of arcs with a radius of about 200 nautical miles. That's the fishing fleets avoiding other people's territory.

The various uninhabited islands once claimed under the Guano Islands Act - list here - are a better analogy for what the Chinese are up to in the South China Sea. Not quite equivalent, but still basically amounts to 'uninhabited island of no real value that we're insisting is ours'.

The way they enforce their position under international law isn't nearly as concerning as the fact that they seem to think anywhere a Chinese foot once stood belongs to them.
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Need to mirror China and have our own 10-dash line around all of our territory. (We could let everybody, except China, continue business as usual.)

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New Chinese 10-Dash map sparks furor across Indo-Pacific: Vietnam, India, Philippines, Malaysia - Breaking Defense

The new map sparked sharp reactions from India, Nepal, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan. The new document was released one week before the G-20 summit in India. President Xi Jinping was to attend but news reports now indicate he will not.
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Ah well, they're making the classic mistake of turning of their neighbours against them. Who else made that mistake recently?
 
Wonder how long before some US folks get picked up?

And I don't mean USN sailors, I mean actual civilian merchant ship crew or captains.
 
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Wonder how long before some US folks get picked up?

And I don't mean USN sailors, I mean actual civilian merchant ship crew or captains.
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If they keep this up their neighbours will likely start playing chicken with them using anonymous naval drones packed with high explosive.
 
Yellow Palace said:
Probably the equivalent claim for the US would be insisting on sovereignty over anything claimed under the Guano Islands Act. Which, in the Caribbean, would look a bit like this, not allowing for median lines etc.
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Monroe Doctrine to Manchu Doctrine

When was the last time folks got 'pressed at sea in any numbers--Barbary Coast?

Impressment used to be rather common.

I wonder how well the QBZ-191s will compare with Krags against the sons of Moro.

What was left there, outside of Pinatubo ash and lots of women's shoes?
 
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Philippines, Japan to hold security talks next month

Manila (AFP) June 28, 2024 - Japan and the Philippines will hold high-level defence talks next month, Manila said Friday, as the two countries seek to boost ties in the face of an increasingly confrontational China.
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Death penalty among China's punishment guidelines for Taiwan independence advocates

Beijing (AFP) June 21, 2024 - China included the death penalty for particularly serious cases among judicial guidelines on criminal punishments for diehard supporters of Taiwanese independence published on Friday, state media reported.
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