Myasishchev M-50 and M-52 concepts

[foiling]

These images bring tears of happiness to my eyes. For me the Myasishchev M-50/M-52, in all its variants, is the most beautiful aircraft of all.

 

[blackkite]

These images bring tears of happiness to my eyes. For me the Myasishchev M-50/M-52, in all its variants, is the most beautiful aircraft of all.

I think so,too.

http://www.google.co.jp/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjg3I3mvKvSAhWKT7wKHQC-DWEQjxwIAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmilitaryrussia.ru%2Fforum%2Fdownload%2Ffile.php%3Fid%3D24270&psig=AFQjCNGxf4qjAMRKPgbsGOPHBvudy6esdQ&ust=1488119397362844&cad=rjt

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/m50.html

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/m50aiv.html

http://karopka.ru/community/user/11492/?MODEL=222406

http://testpilot.ru/russia/myasishchev/m/52/m52.htm

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft20505.htm
"Project m-60 nuclear powerplant was based largely on exhaust m-50."

http://testpilot.ru/russia/myasishchev/m/50/m50.htm
"Problematic turned sozdaniesilovoj installation. Since the plane must bylsovershat' a long flight to sverhzvukovojskorosti, required engines with thrust bezforsazha not less than 17000 kgf. Most podhodjashhimokazalsja engine developed in OKBP. B. Barb. His M16 engines-17» (RD16-17) promised imet'udel'nyj fuel consumption is not more -1.12 kg/1.1 Dan * chpri flight speeds corresponding to m = 1.8, istaticheskuju cravings 166.7 kN (17000 kg)."

http://militaryrussia.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=256&f=290

http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Ru/Aircrafts/M_50.html

 

[SAustin16]

They are very beautiful aircraft. I have always found Myasishchev's designs intriguing.

What was the purpose of the ground vehicle launchers? If you had a "runway" long enough for the vehicle carrying a B-70 sized aircraft to accelerate up to takeoff speed (200 kts?), why wouldn't the aircraft take off on its own landing gear? JATO might help if necessary. I find it very "Thunderbirds are GO"...though a very cool concept. The illustrations are outstanding.

Cheers to all from Texas.

 

[Trident]

An attempt to reduce the level of preparation and paving required of the "runway" surface? The vehicles could be fitted with huge balloon tires for soft, boggy ground and elaborate suspension for bumpy surfaces that would penalize aircraft performance if carried in the airframe as part of the landing gear.

It certainly is rather "out there" though, which probably accounts for the fact that nobody has ever done anything of the sort in practice

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

They are very beautiful aircraft. I have always found Myasishchev's designs intriguing.

What was the purpose of the ground vehicle launchers? If you had a "runway" long enough for the vehicle carrying a B-70 sized aircraft to accelerate up to takeoff speed (200 kts?), why wouldn't the aircraft take off on its own landing gear? JATO might help if necessary. I find it very "Thunderbirds are GO"...though a very cool concept. The illustrations are outstanding.

Cheers to all from Texas.

It's JATO - look at the JATO rockets on both M-52s.

The ground vehicles presumably just taxi the aircraft from hangar to takeoff area.

 

[blackkite]

I really hope the book which include the detail of comprehensive M-50/52/60 project written in English.
Anyway I think that M-50 was too big.

 

[SAustin16]

Gentlemen,

Thank you for the explanation.

My eyes aren't what they used to be, and I missed some of the details.

 

[PlanesPictures]

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[blackkite]

Thanks a lot. Very beautiful. Japanese people surprised and shocked very much when seeing this aircraft in 1961 same as western people.

Someone said that this aircraft had nuclear jet engines. ;D

 

[blackkite]

Hi! M-52 model and M-52A model.
M-52 model.
http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&products_id=2737

M-52A model.
http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&cPath=28_39_38_102&products_id=2780

M-52 three side view.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10582.0;attach=574824;image

M-52A three side view.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10582.0;attach=574818;image

M-52A outside wing leading edge is extended for weight increase and to accomodete small outside landing gear without fairing.
Also M-52A had small wing outside of the outside engine nacell and had small exposed equipment at upper side of the fuselage.

 

[hesham]

From Le Fana 399,

here is a two drawings to a Myasishchev M-50 as a composite bomber Projects,also
little known bomber Projects.

 

[PlanesPictures]

next one

 

[fightingirish]

Great find, hesham and PlanesPictures!

 

[PlanesPictures]

next one

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears Rolf and PlanesPictures.

 

[hesham]

Also from Le Fana 400.

 

[hesham]

Also from Le Fana 400.

 

[Archibald]

Seems that the engineless, never-flown M-52 was still parked at Ramenskoye as late as July 1971. See the following document.

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2008/April%202008/0408ramenskoye.pdf

(I removed my previous post because the answer was in Yefim Gordon book. D'oh !)

 

[nuuumannn]

Wonderful information in this thread. Here is an image I snapped of the M-50 at Monino during a rainy day in the days of 35mm film.

 

[blackkite]

"Myasishchev's design consists of two evolutions, the M50A and M50B later redesignated to M52.
Key design elements of the M50A were two underwing Dobrynin VD-7F afterburning turbojet engines
and two Dobrynin VD-7 non-afterburning turbojet engines sitting on the tips of the Delta shaped wings
Combined these engines would accelerate the M50 to speeds of up to 1,950 km/h (1,210 mph) while being able to maintain a cruise speed of 1500Km/h (930mph)
The wings themselves were in shoulder configuration.
One of the major differences between the M50A and M52 is the two seated inline cockpit, on the later model it got changed to a side by side cockpit.

M50A measuring 57.48m (188 ft 7 in) in length and a wingspan of 35.10m (115 ft 2 in)

Important to note is only a single flying prototype has been built, the M50A, it's maiden flight was in 1959.
In 1961 the plane participated in a Soviet Aviation Day flyby.
Apparently the construction of a single M52 has been completed as well but not flown. As mentioned before, the M52 recieved a wider cockpit portion to accomodate for pilots sitting side by side. Furthermore the M52 carried Zubets 16-17 turbofans instead of the Dobrynin VD-7/F. Also a second tailplane has been added and engine mounting has been redesigned."

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
https://oldmachinepress.com/2014/03/26/myasishchev-m-50-m-52-bounder/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! These drawings shows before wingtip engines exchange. Inner engines were already exchanged to afterburning engine.
Wing span is about 25m.
http://alternathistory.com/eksperimentalnyj-dalnij-bombardirovshhik-m-50-izbavlenie-ot-illyuzij/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! M-52.
http://panssarivaunut.blogspot.com/2016/06/myasishchev-m-50.html
http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&products_id=2737

 

[blackkite]

M-50 did not have area ruled fuselage and outer engines did not have afterburner.
So M-50 could not break sound barrier.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! You can see following two types of M-50A in this video.
(1) M-50A with four non-afterburning Dobrynin VD-7BA turbojets.
(2) M-50A with two inner afterburning VD-7AM engines and two slightly derated VD-7BA engines installed on new wingtip
mounts.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIL3_eAp5E4

 

[riggerrob]

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Holy trebuchet Batman!
If it was good enough for the Tzar back during the middle ages, it is good enough for the USSR during the Cold War!
Hah!
Hah!

 

[blackkite]

Hi! M-50, base of M-50A.
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2020/05/24/myasishchev-m-50/
"The first ‘single aircraft’ designs were actually completed in February 1955 and on 19th July a new SovMin resolution upgraded the M-50 to a conventional long-range type with a powerplant of four VD-9 turbojets or NK-6 bypass turbofans, giving a maximum speed of 1,243mph (2,000km/h) and a service ceiling approaching 52,493ft (16,000m). I P Tolstykh was nominated as the chief designer and on 28th March 1956 another resolution was passed authorising the installation of 46,295 lb (205.8kN) Zubets RD16-17 engines or VD-9As. The RD16-17 could sustain supersonic flight without afterburning and it also offered a fuel consumption that did not exceed the requirements. Designed by OKB-16 led by P F Zubets, the engine offered 40,785 lb (181.3kN) of dry thrust and 46,295 lb (205.8kN) in reheat. The M-50 was to begin its state acceptance trials in the first three months of 1958."

 

[blackkite]

Hi! I got another M-50 three side view drawing.
What is this?

http://testpilot.ru/russia/myasishchev/m/50/

 

[PlanesPictures]

Hi! I got another M-50 three side view drawing.
What is this?

http://testpilot.ru/russia/myasishchev/m/50/

Pls see message from Dec 8, 2008 from Ucon

 

[blackkite]

Thanks Jozef-san!!
M-50 with different types of engines.

 

[StraGen410]

next one

This ZELL looks very risky in term of safety concern. I prefer a ZELL design in the style of FROG-7 Rocket Launcher system.

 

[Comandorul]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLg9OK6daCg

 

[Comandorul]

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[citizensnip]

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The Myasishchev M-50 Bounder) is a Soviet prototype four-jet engine supersonic strategic bomber, which never attained service. Only one flightworthy prototype was built, which was first flown in October 1959. The M-50 was constructed by the Myasishchev design bureau. - Myasishchev M-50 Bounder -...

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[TheOmnimercurial]

They are very beautiful aircraft. I have always found Myasishchev's designs intriguing.

What was the purpose of the ground vehicle launchers? If you had a "runway" long enough for the vehicle carrying a B-70 sized aircraft to accelerate up to takeoff speed (200 kts?), why wouldn't the aircraft take off on its own landing gear? JATO might help if necessary. I find it very "Thunderbirds are GO"...though a very cool concept. The illustrations are outstanding.

Cheers to all from Texas.

An attempt to reduce the level of preparation and paving required of the "runway" surface? The vehicles could be fitted with huge balloon tires for soft, boggy ground and elaborate suspension for bumpy surfaces that would penalize aircraft performance if carried in the airframe as part of the landing gear.

It certainly is rather "out there" though, which probably accounts for the fact that nobody has ever done anything of the sort in practice

They are very beautiful aircraft. I have always found Myasishchev's designs intriguing.

What was the purpose of the ground vehicle launchers? If you had a "runway" long enough for the vehicle carrying a B-70 sized aircraft to accelerate up to takeoff speed (200 kts?), why wouldn't the aircraft take off on its own landing gear? JATO might help if necessary. I find it very "Thunderbirds are GO"...though a very cool concept. The illustrations are outstanding.

Cheers to all from Texas.

It's JATO - look at the JATO rockets on both M-52s.

The ground vehicles presumably just taxi the aircraft from hangar to takeoff area.

Gentlemen,

Thank you for the explanation.

My eyes aren't what they used to be, and I missed some of the details.

There is of course another reason to attempt Rail Launched Bombers....

They can be Mobile as opposed to located at a Fixed Area, meaning that any Spy Aircraft, Balloon or Sattellite is unable to pinpoint it for Targetting.

So if the USA had ever thought about a First Strike, the moving Nuclear Bombers could still achieve a Retalliatory Strike. In theory anyway.

Making it a very useful MAD Deterrent as well as a Vengeance Option if it was not a sufficient MAD Deterrent.

I think Rail Mobile ICBM Launchers were later introduced for real, unlike the sadly never produced M-50.

 

[Archibald]

Seems there was one more M-50 / M-52 at least bits of it, that survived post 1962. This did not escaped the watcheful eyes of CORONA and GAMBIT spysats...

M-50 / M-52, Myasishchev 'Bounder'

OKB Myasishchyev began working on the supersonic intercontinental bomber M-50 in 1956. The aircraft was intended to be equipped with and the supersonic long-range M-61 cruise missile, also developed by OKB Myasishchyev.

www.globalsecurity.org

M-50/M-52 Bounder - Disposition


In November 1969 US analysis of satellite and ground photography revealed that the USSR's three known Bbounder aircraft, each of which had unique identification features, had been moved since late 1967.​

1. The Bounder which had been in the Myasishchev area of the Ramenskoye flight test center (55-33n 038-07e) since September 1963 was missing from that area in March 1968, and was now on display at the air museum at Moscow / Monino airfield (55-50n 038-10e).
   
2. The second Bounder aircraft, which had been at Moscow/Fili airfield (55-45n 037-29e) since March 1963, was now in the Myasishchev area of Ramenskoye. It was observed being disassembled at Fili on ground photography of September 1967 and was not present there on satellite photography of November 1967. It was seen at Ramenskoye in June 1968 and was still there in March 1968.​
3. The remnants of the third bounder (most of the wing and aft fuselage section) were moved probably from a hangar in the Myasishchev area at Ramenskoye, to the structural test / derelict area where they were then located. Movement of this third bounder was probably necessitated by the arrival of the second on from Fili. Because the Bounder now in the Myasishchev area at Ramenskoye had underg one several design modifications while it was at Fili, it was easily distinguishable from the Bounder moved from Ramenskoye to Moscow / Monino. The modifications consisted of: a) shorter engine nacelles, b) removal of a section of the trailing edge of each wing tip at which point pods were attached, c) tapered trailing edge of wing , d) swept trailing edge of vertical stabilizer.​

​

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP61S00750A000500030131-7.pdf

 

[Archibald]

I should have guessed it... on GAMBIT 1 foot resolution pictures of Ramenskoye airfield, the 200 ft long M-50 and M-52 stood like giant targets...

http://trajectorymagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/0916ramenskoye.pdf

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22bounder%22%22Ramenskoye%22%221967%22&source=lmns&bih=617&biw=1024&client=firefox-b-d&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil2bXx4PDwAhVIeRoKHQIIB4gQ_AUoAHoECAEQAA

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MMlFRD-r6LYJ:https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ramenskoye17.htm+&cd=12&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr&client=firefox-b-d

Zhukovskiy [Ramenskoye]

www.globalsecurity.org

So the obvious question: M-50 or M-52 ?

 

[Deltafan]

Hi,

As we cannot see the second tailplane on the top of the fin, M-50, I think. Wings seem to be of the M-50 too.

 

[Comandorul]

Hi to all!
Two more drawings of M-50
- variant #6 - start from the boat
- variant #7 - so called "point-start"
additional info will be soon in www.avicopress.ru
Regards

 

[foiling]

These images bring tears of happiness to my eyes. For me the Myasishchev M-50/M-52, in all its variants, is the most beautiful aircraft of all.

I think so,too.

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"Project m-60 nuclear powerplant was based largely on exhaust m-50."

M-50

"Problematic turned sozdaniesilovoj installation. Since the plane must bylsovershat' a long flight to sverhzvukovojskorosti, required engines with thrust bezforsazha not less than 17000 kgf. Most podhodjashhimokazalsja engine developed in OKBP. B. Barb. His M16 engines-17» (RD16-17) promised imet'udel'nyj fuel consumption is not more -1.12 kg/1.1 Dan * chpri flight speeds corresponding to m = 1.8, istaticheskuju cravings 166.7 kN (17000 kg)."

Отечественная военная техника (после 1945 г.) • Просмотр темы - М-50 - BOUNDER

http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Ru/Aircrafts/M_50.html

Thanks for sharing. Great images, especially the M50A