richard B
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Specifically, the first prototype before it was rebuild as floatplane, 1913.Early variant of "Ilya Muromets":
How many of these designs flew?
Re: Multi-Wings Airplanes & Projects
Hi,
here is a two unknown Italian designers,Mr. Lachman and Mr. Robiola,they invented
amazing multi-wing airplane Projects.
Yes the editor(s) noticed some similarities with the Robiola multiplane (1911, tested without success in Turin) and sent the photos to Robiola himself... he states that it is a shameless copy of his own project and the discussion continues about the possibilities of an almost-VTOL aircraft in a period where no helicopter had been successfully tested.I think , but I am not sure , that Mr.Lake was the designer : We must wait for more info from an italian speaking member ...
Fascinating and very well-informed piece, a brilliant find. Thank you.
But weren't there any biplane projects from the jet era? Featuring jet engines and or delta or swept wings?
Maybe not for fighters but for those planes which need to lift large amount of mass like bombers and cargo planes?
My knowledge on aircraft related technologies seems limited. But I thought biplanes offered the extra surface area for flight when power or speed was scarce so I though increasing the power but remaining with biplane layout you could increase the transportable weight without using long and wide wings.
The airplane in this drawing was actually designated P.1101/XVIII-108 by Messerschmitt (see drawing in Dan Sharp's book Secret Projects of the Luftwaffe Volume 1: Jet Fighters 1939-1945). The designation P.1109 is chronologically intermediate between the P.1108 and P.1110 designed in January 1945, and the P.1101/XVIII-108 drawing is dated July 17, 1944, so it's far too early for the P.1101/XVIII-108 to have been given a new project number coming after P.1101. The oblique slewed wing is meant to reduce drag at high speed (with the wing swept) without sacrificing performance at low speed (with the wing perpendicular).The Messerschmitt P.1109/2 could be thought of a jet-powered biplane. This project was one of a number of radical proposals put forward to the Luftwaffe, towards the end of WW2. Given the complications created just by using a slew-wing in the first place, having two of them - so that one could off-set the other - did made sense. It does seem to be a very particular solution, to a very particular set of needs, though.
Cheers,
Paul