MiG-29 and its modifications

Does it mean that the guidance commands are sent over wires to JDAM-ER in these MiG-29s? Is the avionics upgrade difficult to implement given the confined spaces in the MiG-29? Is there a possibility of wireless programming target's coordinates to JDAM-ER?
 
yahya said:
Does it mean that the guidance commands are sent over wires to JDAM-ER in these MiG-29s? Is the avionics upgrade difficult to implement given the confined spaces in the MiG-29? Is there a possibility of wireless programming target's coordinates to JDAM-ER?
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I think it's a kludge to have a western GPS to tell the JDAM where it's starting from, when the MiG doesn't have the right data bus. Think of it as a babelfish, able to turn the Russian/Ukrainian data into something that the JDAM can read.
 
... Ukraine's MiG-29s and Su-27s do not have the kind of integrated GPS/INS capability and a NATO-compatible data bus that is needed for JDAM-ER. So, the fixture at the end of the pylon could be a GPS antenna that feeds key information into the bombs before they are released. Mounting it on the protrusion would help ensure it has a clear line of sight to the satellite constellation and is not shadowed by the aircraft's wing structure.
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Good old mig-29. It has moxy. The Ukrainians are doing the best they can with these old birds. Thry are still providing good service to the nations that fly them.
 
TMA1 said:
Good old mig-29. It has moxy. The Ukrainians are doing the best they can with these old birds. Thry are still providing good service to the nations that fly them.
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Interesting if they considered integration of western fire control/defensive avionics.
The war is two years old by now - a lot could be done in that time.
 
Ainen said:
Interesting if they considered integration of western fire control/defensive avionics.
The war is two years old by now - a lot could be done in that time.
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Requires keeping a couple of planes back to do the fitting and testing, plus however long it takes to install the Western parts on the existing planes. A super-simplified setup with the NATO data bus set up in the pylon with some translation software to turn whatever the Russian avionics say into NATO-standard for the JDAM to land on makes more sense than a total refit.

Besides, how long do we think Ukraine will have any MiG29s in service?
 
By chance does anyone have reliable empty weight figures for the Mig-29M (any version) Mig-29k (any version) and SMT?
 
Thanks Paralay

With that weight and the unstable fly by wire 9.15 might have been the best performing fulcrum even with the slightly lower thrust to weight.
 
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I have questions about numbers in @paralay post.
MiG-29K, that was converted from 9.15 have MTOW 18.2t. Also 5.6t fuel. Compared to 22t MTOW of 9.15 and 4.6t of fuel.
How come it has less MTOW and where additional 1t of fuel came?
Also, why MIG-35 has 400kg less fuel than 29K? And smaller MTOW.
 
Deck planes are always heavier. From +500 kg for Rafal-M to 2300 kg for Su-27K

Some hard data as per Russians at Aero India

- crew - 1 or 2
- take off wt 17500 kg normal
-maximum-23500kgs
-max landing wt - 16800 kgs
-max combat load 6500 kgs
-max speed at sea level-1400km/hr
-at high altitude- 2100km/hr
-max altitude- 17500 mtr
-max g load - 9.0
max range 2000 km
with 3 drop tanks-3000km
with 3 drop tanks +one mid air refueling - 6000 kms

Engine RD 33 MK or thrust vectoring RD 33 MKV WITH 9000Kgf
life engine - 4000 hrs
1st overhaul-1000 hrs

quadrapole redundant three axis digital fly by wire control
Zhuk AE muli mode active phased array radar detection range more than 140 km ( 250 km??) with upto 30+targets on track while scan mode operation

integrated in flight refueling system

OLS UEM forward looking optronic search and track system with IR TV Laser range finder cum target illumination channel

cockpit information management system

upper air intake eliminated

fuel capacity 1.5 times compared to mig 29

10 weapon hard points and may come with Kh 31 anti ship missile,RVV AE,Integrated Gsh 301 with ammo 150 rounds,KAB 500TV guided bombs,KH 35 anti ship missile,Kh 31P anti radiation missile,

three multifunctional colour LCDs and wide angle HUD,four MFDS in second cockpit if incorporated.

VK 100 turbine starter


MIL STD 1553 B compliant multiple data bus

Full HOTAS capability

OLS UEM forward looking IRST SYSTEM

OLS K 360 degree look down IRST

thrust vectoring plus/minus 20 degree all aspect (more than su-30 mki)
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Anduriel said:
I have questions about numbers in @paralay post.
MiG-29K, that was converted from 9.15 have MTOW 18.2t. Also 5.6t fuel. Compared to 22t MTOW of 9.15 and 4.6t of fuel.
How come it has less MTOW and where additional 1t of fuel came?
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That's probably due to having to fly off a ski-jump carrier. Can't get enough speed up on the carrier deck to safely take off at 22000kg, but can safely take off at 18,200kg.

As to the extra fuel, they probably found a few new spots to store fuel. My personal suspicion is that the new avionics take up less volume, so MiG was able to add another structural bay to hold fuel instead of avionics.
 
thrust-to-weight ratio of at least 1 - takeoff from the "first technical position" (95 meters)
thrust-to-weight ratio of less than 1 - takeoff from the "second technical position" (180 meters)
such a takeoff is possible at any speed of the ship
 
Ironic how the Mig's best days for exports potential are canceled by the Kremlin's leaders policies.

Who wouldn't have bought cheap Migs with AMRAAM, Harm, Scalp and SDB (not all are supported right now)?
 
TomcatViP said:
Ironic how the Mig's best days for exports potential are canceled by the Kremlin's leaders policies.

Who wouldn't have bought cheap Migs with AMRAAM, Harm, Scalp and SDB (not all are supported right now)?
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It's an ersatz. This implementation doesn't provide full munition capabilities, as plane doesn't have proper WCS and essentially is a glorified truck. You could arm Su-22 or MiG-23 for the same result.

And there were cheap upgrade variants (and still are for that matter, as Russia or Belarus didn't discontinue), but MIG-29 is not cheap in operation due to being twin engined light/medium fighter. And it is main issue that made it unpopular.
 
Anyone in the DC area? The national air and space museum archive has the following which may or may not have interesting information.

AM-501072-01: MiG MiG-29SE Fulcrum-C [Documents]
 
TomcatViP said:
Technically, LE slats appear to be Blue and Yellow. Yellow on the outboard section.

Notice that this particular aircraft carries no AAM.
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Thank you!

Can't trust my half-colorblind eyes on things like that...

I may have to build a model of one of the Ukrainian MiG29s with those Ground ID markings.
 
The problem with using colours for visual ID is that they depend on good lighting, which often won't be available on the underside of an aircraft.

Contrasting patterns, such as D-Day / Suez stripes or those on USAAF form-up bombers, are much more effective.
 
F.L. said:
I found this on X, is it real or a photoshop ?!! Edited : it's a photoshop.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1800064075080356344
View: https://x.com/Macaskeel/status/1800064075080356344?t=wpfNoYIZa2mDmFQK2zsfKg&s=19[
F.L. said:
I found this on X, is it real or a photoshop ?!! Edited : it's a photoshop.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1800064075080356344
[URL='https://x.com/Macaskeel/status/1800064075080356344?t=wpfNoYIZa2mDmFQK2zsfKg&s=19']View: https://x.com/Macaskeel/status/1800064075080356344?t=wpfNoYIZa2mDmFQK2zsfKg&s=19
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Photoshop we don,t have Mig-29 only Su-27/30 was Russia fighter can fly today
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jsport said:
www.defensenews.com

Slovakia’s F-16 top-up plans reopen political battles over Ukraine aid

The country's Moscow-friendly government has walked back on a combat-helicopter deal for Bell AH-1Z Vipers, championed by the previous Cabinet.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
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This is not related with the the thread. This thread isn't about MiG-29 general news, as a possible aircraf transference from Slovakia to Ukraine, it's about improvements or technical modifications on existing MiG-29 models.

Ukrainian MiG-29 modified to accept Western hardware could be, to at some debatable extent, relevant here.

Please read the tittles and try to adjust to it. Otherwise, if you think you have a relevant information not related to any existing thread, feel free to open a new specific thread.
 

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