McDonnell Douglas Model 210 STOL

[blackkite]

Grumman study.Some relation to Grumman/Shinmaywa design #487 ? Too large and too small for American Airlines requirement?
Large one's size was almost same as McDonnell Douglas Model 210?
Wing, engine nacelle and tail stabilizer are very similar to PS-1/US-1.
Small one had fixed landing gear?
Source : SPF

 

[starviking]

Now Canadair was a subsidiary of Convair - so we can assume that this is the Convair proposal. More info here:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13862.0.html

Just a little more information. According to this post on the Convair 15 thread: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2878.msg23155.html#msg23155
"further turboprop development was assigned to Canadair"
So Convair turboprop airliner development in the CV880 & CV990 era = Canadair.

 

[blackkite]

Oh Convair model 15. Thanks!

 

[hesham]

Some relation?
Source : SPF

Here is the source;


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3153.msg30164.html#msg30164

 

[blackkite]

Wow thanks. You mean this one? Radical design,too.

 

[fightingirish]

McDonnell Model 188E Booklet
A copy of an early McDonnell Aircraft Model 188E Booklet for the “Americanized” Breguet 941. Dated June 15 1963.
From the booklet: “The Breguet 941 is the only truly satisfactory STOL transport flying today by virtue of its outstanding controllability and safety at the low airspeeds associated with very short take-ofl‘ and landing distances. Prompted by appreciation of this outstanding accomplishment and by a recognition of the need by the U. S. Military for a truly safe STOL transport, McDonnell executed a license agreement with Société Breguet in 1962. This permits the use of the flight-proven Breguet 941 design in an American produced STOL transport, the McDonnell 188E. Built to U. S. Military Standards, the McDonnell 188E will take full advantage of the more than nine years of research and development effort already invested in the basic design, as well as the flight experience gained since June 1961.”
Download here or here or here (1.7 Megs)

Source: www.aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2019/08/mcdonnell-model-188e-booklet.html

 

[taildragger]

Here's a post-merger concept obviously based on the 188E/210/Breguet 94. I have no background information on it but it looks optimised for passenger service with a slimmer fuselage than the 188 and the landing gear moved to pods in order to maintain the wheel track.
The background seems based on the Mississippi River at St. Louis but is missing the Gateway Arch which was completed at roughly the same time as the Douglas acquisition.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

This design was already posted in this topic: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mcdonnell-douglas-model-210-stol.6979/#post-164879

A copy of the Model 210 brochure Mark posted images from earlier:

McDonnell Douglas Model 210E/G STOL

A copy of company report No G521for the proposed model 210E/G STOL aircraft for the 1970’s plus 3-views. Dated December 1968. Credit: The G...

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[Mark Nankivil]

Good Day All -

Artwork I picked up an estate sale earlier today - nice art of the Model 210.

Enjoy! Mark

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Good Day All -

Artwork I picked up an estate sale earlier today - nice art of the Model 210.

Enjoy! Mark

You have much more interesting estate sales than in New Zealand.

 

[yasotay]

Good Day All -

Artwork I picked up an estate sale earlier today - nice art of the Model 210.

Enjoy! Mark

Eh Ghad! What happened to St. Louis!

 

[Orionblamblam]

Eh Ghad! What happened to St. Louis!

Buy n large it looks pretty good.

 

[taildragger]

Old Mac must not have been too impressed with the Long Beach operation. You'd think that any airliner bring pitched by the combined McDonnell Douglas would carry the DC badge or the later MD. Instead it's identified in a way that screams "designed by fighter plane specialists". This was during the same period that the DC-10 wing design was being assigned to St. Louis, which must have been an already busy place with the F-15 work going on.
On the other hand, the tight aerospace labor market in the LA area was a big factor in Douglas' collapse, so maybe it was just a matter of efficiency. Still, DC-11 makes more sense to me.