McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies

[overscan (PaulMM)]

McDonnell-Douglas and General Dynamics both had contracts in 1980 for "1995 Fighter Technology Study" which helped define ATF concepts.

An 11 page article by McDonnell-Douglas' Don Kozlowski was published as SAE Technical Paper 811096, 1981.

http://papers.sae.org/811096/

The characteristics of an advanced air superiority fighter for the year 2000 are described. New features of the fighter include improvements in SPEED, STEALTH, STOL and SUPPORT, concurrent with credible weapon system capabilities. Preliminary findings of the 1995 Fighter Technology Study are described. Typical performance and capability goals are presented as a suggested starting point for further work.

 

[Stargazer]

A sepia-colored version of the illustration posted by Mark Nankivil in Reply #57, straight from a McDonnell Douglas publication:



Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/mcdonnell-aircraft-40th-year-booklet.html

 

[flateric]

it was McGraw Hill print shop that cropped right side, sorry
AWST Jan 29, 1979

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

This tail and canards design seems to be an ATS related study - ATAMS (Advanced Tactical Attack Manned Systems). Weight was 41,000 lb and payload = 4000 lb.

The McDonnell-Douglas ATAMS weapon system concept shown in Figure 7 resulted from a comprehensive air-to-surface technology and integration study. Study results included a mission definition and a vehicle concept that is affordable, able to penetrate enemy defenses, survive, and destroy important targets in large numbers in both fair and adverse weather conditions. The design mission of the ATAMS is a low altitude interdiction mission for a NATO/Warsaw Pact conflict in central and northern Europe. The ATAMS is powered by two augmented turbofan engines.

Source: AIAA Paper 1981-1503 Progress Toward a Long-Range Propulsion Plan, C.F. Baerst, R.C. Gunness,and S.W. Mitnik, Garrett Turbine Engine Co

The Advanced Tactical Attack Manned System is a tactical fighter having both air-to-air and air-to-ground roles. Mission is the air-to-ground strike mission (Figure 15) in which the aircraft cruises
subsonically to the forward edge of the battle area (FEBA) and dashes at Mach 1.7 to the weapons release point. Since STOL is not a requirement for the ATAMS. the aircraft is somewhat imaller than those being considered for ATF/STOL missions.

Source: AIAA Paper 1981-1502 ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY ENGINE STUDIES (ATES) A STATUS REPORT William S. Wlllis General Electric Company

 

[Stargazer]

Various McDonnell Douglas pre-ATF designs from TsAGI's Tekhnicheskaya Informatsiya (No.13, 1984):

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a drawing to SF-1107 fighter.


http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.46088

 

[Stargazer]

here is a drawing to SF-1107 fighter.

The SF- prefix was used by Vought (LTV) for their "Superfly" series of designs. The air intakes are very different from the SF-106 and SF-120/121, but are you positive this is McDD?

 

[hesham]

Yes my dear Skyblazer,


and I will send to you the file now.

 

[Retrofit]

here is a drawing to SF-1107 fighter.

The SF- prefix was used by Vought (LTV) for their "Superfly" series of designs. The air intakes are very different from the SF-106 and SF-120/121, but are you positive this is McDD?

Indeed, the MDD SF-1107 is already mentioned in this same topic (as well as the MDD SF-1302)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,399.msg69229.html#msg69229

 

[Stargazer]

Thanks folks. Interesting designations, with "SF-" probably meaning "Supersonic Fighter" for McDD.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a study for Nonaxisymmetric nozzles installed on hypothetical fighter,
may be based on McDonnell-Douglas F-15,and done by MD and co-operate by Pratt & Whitney
Aircraft,I am confuse from that; is it suitable in this topic or not,I read the article,
but I don't know what to do ?.


http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.58740?journalCode=ja

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

It's not in any way F-15 related. Looks like a notional fighter derived from Model 263 configuration. Probably part of early ATS studies.

 

[hesham]

It's not in any way F-15 related. Looks like a notional fighter derived from Model 263 configuration. Probably part of early ATS studies.

Yes my dear Paul,


very close to it.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a study for wing configurations done in McDonnell Douglas during 1984,
and help in advanced tactical fighter project.

AIAA Aerospace Research Central

 

[hesham]

More pre-ATF designs

My dear Paul,


here is the MDD-CCV with a little info.


Flygvapennytt 2-1973

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the McDonnell-Douglas ATS fighter.


http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a111940.pdf

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Thanks, but already posted by Quellish

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,399.msg122040.html#msg122040

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Paul,and sorry for this double post.

 

[hesham]

More pre-ATF designs

A clearer view to MDD CCV Fighter,with a unknown lightweight fighter Project Model ?.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19721016/25/2

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19730820/8/2

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Greetings All -

Like the Lockheed Model numbers, the designs at times are all over the place. Here's a few variants that are titled under the 252 series. The RCS Mach 1.8 Penetrator is intriguing...

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Mark - that stealthy concept is very interesting. Some of the other designs look familiar from 70's ATS studies, will try to unite any other information here.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

The canard design (Model 252-109A) seems to be the same design featured in the "ATAMS" concept and nearly identical to this artwork.

Model 252-109A ATS

ATAMS

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Model 252-111B seems a lot like this, previously identified as Model 269-F2 ATS study:


Model 252-111B

Model 269-F2

I believe Model 252 represents Phase 1 of McDonnell-Douglas ATS work and Model 269 Phase 2. Clearly Phase 2 reused and refined configurations from Phase 1.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Model 252 designation was assigned in 1970 with this entry in the McDonnell Project List:

USAF Advanced Tactical Strike Aircraft (SX) (13/02/1970 D. Redden)

Model 269 designation was assigned in 1975

USAF Tactical Fighter "Battlefield superiority fighter tailored to ground attack and reconnaissance roles with alternate capability as air superiority - deep strike - strategic" (13/10/1975 P. Czysz)

 

[Sundog]

Thanks for sharing, now I have at least two more designs for the book I'm putting together.

 

[Pioneer]

A 1971 USAF project, probably strike oriented, via Mark Nankivil.

(A belated) nice find Mark!!

It has a somewhat fixed-wing TFX/F-111 look to it

Regards
Pioneer

 

[hesham]

Amazing find my dear Mark.

and good Infos my dear Paul.

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Good Day All -

Another McAir design - Model 272-6000 ATF concept. Note the missiles being mounted to the outboard of the canted vertical fins.....

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[Sundog]

Another great find, you're on a roll Mark. Thanks.

The sidewinders mounted to the outboard face of the vertical tails is interesting, to say the least.

 

[galgot]

It's beautiful ! That wing shape shouts SCAT nasa studies.

 

[sienar]

Good Day All -

Another McAir design - Model 272-6000 ATF concept. Note the missiles being mounted to the outboard of the canted vertical fins.....

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Front view made from combining the cross sections

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Excellent work there sienar

 

[aim9xray]

It's beautiful ! That wing shape shouts SCAT nasa studies.

Well, there's note to the left of the drawing data block that says:

Note:
1. Modified DAC AST Airfoil t/c 4% (ref NASA CR 145094)

 

[hesham]

Hi,

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a185224.pdf

 

[ivran]

Any connections whith photo
xD4C 97224 from Aug-1972, or xD4C 97574 from Aug-1972?

 

[hesham]

Hi,

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a040189.pdf

 

[hesham]

Hi,

was this a McDonnell-Douglas ATF design ?.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/6c/40/e66c4060e1375f9372d59e515ea99c15.png

 

[Sundog]

Hi,

was this a McDonnell-Douglas ATF design ?.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/6c/40/e66c4060e1375f9372d59e515ea99c15.png

No, well, not their actual submission for the program.

It was from the design study right before the ATF program began. You've seen the graphic here plenty of times that shows this design to scale with the Northrop, Grumman, Rockwell, Lockheed and Boeing designs in planform.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Sundog.