MBDA Future Cruise / Anti-Ship Weapon (FC / ASW)

[TylrrTylrr]

The long hypothesised SEAD nature of RJ10 confirmed...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895062266825093289

View: https://x.com/Gabriel64869839/status/1895062266825093289

does anyone else think this is slightly overkill for SEAD? RJ10 is likely to cost a lot so I do not see this swarming a SAM site.

 

[kqcke for you]

does anyone else think this is slightly overkill for SEAD? RJ10 is likely to cost a lot so I do not see this swarming a SAM site.

Yeah but then again a radar / Sam cost a lot more. I do hope we see a RCM² version for SEAD. Then the RJ10 would only be needed

 

[Forest Green]

does anyone else think this is slightly overkill for SEAD? RJ10 is likely to cost a lot so I do not see this swarming a SAM site.

Based on some of the concept videos the missile has not one warhead but 3, so that could be highly effective in a SEAD role.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9YKsNfkQ8

 

[kqcke for you]

Based on some of the concept videos the missile has not one warhead but 3, so that could be highly effective in a SEAD role.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9YKsNfkQ8

Thats Perseus a concept of a conceptional next generation weapon where hypersonics we're also an option

 

[Forest Green]

Thats Perseus a concept of a conceptional next generation weapon where hypersonics we're also an option

I think it's also one of the suggested concepts for FC/ASW.

 

[timmymagic]

I think it's also one of the suggested concepts for FC/ASW.

It's not. Perseus was one of several MBDA concepts 15+ years ago. No submunitions on RJ10 or TP15.

It was also the first time we saw 'effector' in the wild...

 

[Forest Green]

Effector?

 

[timmymagic]

does anyone else think this is slightly overkill for SEAD? RJ10 is likely to cost a lot so I do not see this swarming a SAM site.

Depends what SEAD....

If you include shooting down AWACS at extreme range, or destroying a large radar station then no....but these are going to be very expensive and won't be around in large numbers...

But...destroying S-400? You might get 1 of the 2 radars, but without a cluster munition warhead you're unlikely to get much more...

As a 'golden bullet' it makes some sense, but realistically you would need more, and cheaper, missiles/munitions for other targets.

The UK has this covered to an extent with Spear/Spear-EW, but that doesn't give you real speed. Not sure what the French plan is as Smartglider will have too short a range for the sort of AD targets you really want to kill.

Obviously the sensible solution, alongside RJ10 and TP15, would be a new 'Armiger' based on the Meteor propulsion unit.

 

[timmymagic]

Effector?

Basically munition....though effector covers a wider range, like electronic attack, than just going bang...

 

[kqcke for you]

Depends what SEAD....

If you include shooting down AWACS at extreme range, or destroying a large radar station then no....but these are going to be very expensive and won't be around in large numbers...

But...destroying S-400? You might get 1 of the 2 radars, but without a cluster munition warhead you're unlikely to get much more...

Or an pantsir /Buk Unit. There a lot of possible options which could require SEAD or DEAD.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Depends what SEAD....

If you include shooting down AWACS at extreme range, or destroying a large radar station then no....but these are going to be very expensive and won't be around in large numbers...

But...destroying S-400? You might get 1 of the 2 radars, but without a cluster munition warhead you're unlikely to get much more...

Yeah, it really takes cluster munitions to effectively SEAD or DEAD these days due to datalinks allowing a distant radar to guide missiles from a whole separate battery.

Okay, thermobarics might work, I doubt many TELs/radars can survive the overpressure.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Don't forget tactical nukes.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Don't forget tactical nukes.

As someone who slept not 3 feet from nukes, I'd rather they not be used.

 

[NMaude]

As someone who slept not 3 feet from nukes

You slept in "Sherwood Forest"?

 

[Forest Green]

That's a reference to the area of an SSBN with the missile tubes by the way.

 

[Scott Kenny]

You slept in "Sherwood Forest"?

Yes, Enlisted berthing is in the missile compartment on Tridents. 9-man bunkrooms between the tubes (well, outboard of them, access between the tubes), 3x triple bunks.