M1 Abrams Developments and News

[paralay]

The reality is that humans are completely unsuitable for modern warfare. Take the tanks away and you're just left with humans being gunned down by machine guns and having drones or artillery air-burst over their heads.

I didn't want to upset you, but according to Russian data, Ukraine has lost 1,800 tanks...

 

[Forest Green]

I didn't want to upset you, but according to Russian data, Ukraine has lost 1,800 tanks...

Is that the same data that determines friendly fire incidents? There's no independent source that agrees with Russian stats, none.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Attack On Europe: Documenting Ukrainian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Meanwhile, this is no longer even considered newsworthy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762447135549665508

View: https://x.com/astraiaintel/status/1762447135549665508?s=20

 

[Anduriel]

Note for some reason crew hasn't bothered putting additional protection agains FPV drones. And that concerns lot of other western tanks too.
Also, in this conflict main advantage of Abrams and Leo might be it's main disadvantage - ammo in rear turret is very vulnerable against drones due to low armor.

 

[Forest Green]

Note for some reason crew hasn't bothered putting additional protection agains FPV drones. And that concerns lot of other western tanks too.
Also, in this conflict main advantage of Abrams and Leo might be it's main disadvantage - ammo in rear turret is very vulnerable against drones due to low armor.

And yet I haven't seen any sudden turret tosses.

 

[Anduriel]

And yet I haven't seen any sudden turret tosses.

Crew can die w/o turret toss. And there were Leos w/o turrets, BTW.

 

[Colonial-Marine]

It seems pretty clear that these FPV drones would be able to penetrate into the ammo stowage of the M1 with a solid hit to the side, rear, or top of that area but considering that they've also managed to penetrate down to the T-90's autoloader with a hit in the right area I don't think the Abrams is at more of a disadvantage here. From the crew's perspective the odds of surviving are a lot better even if the tank is knocked out or destroyed.

Seems like everything is called an FPV drone these days but to be more precise I am guessing these are mostly loitering type munitions like Lancet, Switchblade, or that budget Iranian one? How capable are the HEAT warheads they are usually carrying? I'd have to guess the charge itself isn't very powerful but their ability to hit the right spot very much offsets that. The roof mounted ERA casettes on the T-series might prevent penetration if they get hit but it is simply impossible to cover every part of the tank with this. The issue is that these munitions are usually able to get the best angle for a hit. They can circle around unopposed because there is a lack of assets to knock them out the sky. As for additional protection like the so-called "cope cages", those are probably only useful against the cheap drones dropping RPGs, grenades, or whatever sort of submunitions they strap to them.

If anything there must be a huge demand on both sides for short-range air/drone defense systems. While less than ideal for numerous reasons I've got to wonder why we haven't seen more examples of digging old systems like the Shilka or SA-9 out of storage, which is better than nothing. Despite thousands of Shilkas having been built they seem to have been pretty rare and most spotted are lacking their radars.

 

[Forest Green]

Crew can die w/o turret toss. And there were Leos w/o turrets, BTW.

Pictures?

 

[Anduriel]

Pictures?

Quick search gave this.'

Spoiler: spoiler

Ukraine

Syria:

 

[Forest Green]

There's nothing to say what kind of device caused that though.

 

[DWG]

I didn't want to upset you, but according to Russian data, Ukraine has lost 1,800 tanks...

Ukranian tank strength
Pre-War: c1000
Russian donations: c5-600
Western donations: c800

Known Lost*: 749+ (Oryx)

So by Russian claims they've destroyed Ukraine's pre-war tank strength almost twice over and Ukraine should be down to 5-600 tanks.

* Includes lost, captured, and c115 damaged/abandoned that might have made it back into service.

 

[paralay]

c5-600 - What are these numbers, I did not understand?

Here are the data for February 2024, 87 tanks of Ukraine. 87 * 12 months = 1044 tanks per year, of course approximately

 

[Arjen]

c5-600 - What are these numbers, I did not understand?

DWG says somewhere between 500 and 600 Russian tanks were captured by Ukraine, then put into Ukrainian service.
Disclaimer: I do not accept the claims from either combatant party blindly. If I had to trust any source in this matter, I would choose Oryxspioenkop.

The truth is the first casualty in any war.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

abrams x is not a good tank

 

[GTX]

abrams x is not a good tank

And that 'gem' is based upon what exactly??

 

[quinn whitsitt]

the gun systems and a lot of the technology has not been combat proven

 

[GTX]

the gun systems and a lot of the technology has not been combat proven

Right... You do understand that the AbramsX is a technology demonstrator don't you? Besides, if your only measure of something being good/bad is if proven in combat than I guess a lot of weapons systems must be bad...

 

[sferrin]

the gun systems and a lot of the technology has not been combat proven

Neither was Abrams - until it was. And it was the same tank before it was "combat proven" as after.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

well i do not think its a bad tank but i would say some pepole may be over indulging the tank with good luck kinda like the zumwalt
not only that a lot of the technology is from a failed program and as a matter of a fact the tank got reffused by the army
its still not a 100 percent chance though

 

[quinn whitsitt]

what i am saying is do not get your hopes up to fast

 

[GTX]

well i do not think its a bad tank

And yet that is basically what you did say

not only that a lot of the technology is from a failed program

And which failed program would that be?

and as a matter of a fact the tank got reffused by the army

It was never really offered - as already stated it is a Concept Demonstrator and indeed has already been overtaken by the M1E3 program

its still not a 100 percent chance though

100% chance of what?

 

[GTX]

what i am saying is do not get your hopes up to fast

Who has any hopes up re Abrams X??

 

[quinn whitsitt]

future combat systems from the 2003 to 2009

 

[quinn whitsitt]

its main gun is from that system same with the 30mm

 

[quinn whitsitt]

search up future combat systems

 

[GTX]

How about you try to put something coherent together in a single post rather than random disconnected statements without any references, context or data.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

i m putting my bets on the new trophy systems on the m1 a 2 since they have been proven in combat by isreal

 

[quinn whitsitt]

okay i will

 

[GTX]

i m putting my bets on the new trophy systems on the m1 a 2 since they have been proven in combat by isreal

And learn to use some friggen punctuation/spelling. It's really not that hard.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

by 2009 future combat system had spent 18 billion with very little ,and some ,of those systems did not function on land vehicles, and 200 billion in total.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

I didn't want to upset you, but according to Russian data, Ukraine has lost 1,800 tanks...

the infantry are to protect the tanks from infantry anti tank infantry with anti tank systems and tanks have problems with fox holes exception being merkava mbt because it uses a mortar to deal with those problems not to mention there cheap meaning you can have a whole lot of them and for remote controlled systems i have 1 word for emp well no actually 3 elctromagnetic pulse my piont is infantry are not obsolete they just need to not have stupid officers

 

[DWG]

a lot of the technology is from a failed program

FCS was terminated for 1) cost and 2) technology readiness. That's not the same as 'failed', particularly if you're trying for 'didn't work' as the meaning of 'failed'.

The technology in the laptop I'm writing this on would have been too expensive and not ready 15 years ago.

It's not 15 years ago.

 

[Foo Fighter]

I smell horse apples, definite whiff of Troll. Tovarich.

 

[Forest Green]

DWG says somewhere between 500 and 600 Russian tanks were captured by Ukraine, then put into Ukrainian service.
Disclaimer: I do not accept the claims from either combatant party blindly. If I had to trust any source in this matter, I would choose Oryxspioenkop.

The truth is the first casualty in any war.

Yes. Some people might not like Oryx, but it's the closest thing to a trustworthy, verifiable and neutral source that exists for this war.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

never trust the dod the have lied several times same thing with genral dynamics its a propagnda

 

[quinn whitsitt]

Yes. Some people might not like Oryx, but it's the closest thing to a trustworthy, verifiable and neutral source that exists for this war.

you are correct but is still do not trust the hole systems not at least until you test it in combat heck we do not even no the composition or armor for the abrambs x all the tank was a propaganda and technology testing vehacle heck it might not even have armor.

 

[MihoshiK]

you are correct but is still do not trust the hole systems not at least until you test it in combat heck we do not even no the composition or armor for the abrambs x all the tank was a propaganda and technology testing vehacle heck it might not even have armor.

We do not know the armor for a regular Abrams either, on account of it being secret....

And would it kill you to use proper spelling and punctuation?

 

[quinn whitsitt]

uuh that not nesscairly true garyes place /wiki leaks

 

[Arjen]

uuh that not nesscairly true garyes place /wiki leaks

Please have pity on a non-native English speaker and repeat in intelligible English.

 

[quinn whitsitt]

also there are several pixel messurments that i did on destroyed abrambs tank and by use

 

[quinn whitsitt]

Please have pity on a non-native English speaker and repeat in intelligible English.

that is the name of the website i am not kidding