Luft '1919 ?

From what I have available, there were three Macchi M.16's that were purchased by the US Navy in 1922 for submarine scout training. The aircraft were not designed to be broken down and then deployed from a sub as in the case of the Heinkel-Caspar U-1. It would it make a good addition to a lineup of Luft 19' or WWI 19' aircraft.

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Airborne2001 said:
Pfalz D.XV

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All info is from this source (I know it is not the best source, sorry.):
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Pfalz D.XV - Wikipedia

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General characteristics

  • Crew: One
  • Length: 6.50 m (21 ft 4 in)
  • Wingspan: 8.60 m (28 ft 3 in)
  • Height: 2.70 m (8 ft 10 in)
  • Wing area: 20.00 m2 (215.3 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 738 kg (1,627 lb)
  • Gross weight: 918 kg (2,024 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × BMW IIIa 6-cylinder water-cooled inline engine, 138 kW (185 hp)
  • Propellers: 2-bladed
Performance

  • Maximum speed: 203 km/h (126 mph, 110 kn) at 4,000 m (13,215 ft)
  • Endurance: 1.5 hr
  • Time to altitude: 2.0 min to 1,000 m (3,280 ft)

The Pfalz D.XV was a fighter entered into the October 1918 D-Type contest. The fighter had excellent performance qualities; they actually in many ways matched those of the Fokker D.VII. The Pfalz D.XV is definitely among the best fighter aircraft produced during the First World War. The D.XVf had ailerons that were not aerodynamically balanced, and the D.XV (Spezial) had ailerons that were balanced and overhung. Over all, it is an amazing aircraft, though unfortunately it was tested too late to enter combat in time before the Armistice was signed.
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iverson said:
lordroel said:
Reminds me of the What if: the Armistice hadn't happened, Plan 1919
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Which is an unaccredited use of an article that I wrote in my webzine Chandelle years ago. The authorized archival version is here: http://www.worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/1919.html
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Did post this in the end of the article:

Majority of article was previous posted on world at war.net and was called: Plan 1919 , also a good link to Plan 1919 is: Fuller's Plan 1919 – First Edition; May 24, 1918
 
lordroel said:
iverson said:
lordroel said:
Reminds me of the What if: the Armistice hadn't happened, Plan 1919
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Which is an unaccredited use of an article that I wrote in my webzine Chandelle years ago. The authorized archival version is here: http://www.worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/1919.html
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Did post this in the end of the article:

Majority of article was previous posted on world at war.net and was called: Plan 1919 , also a good link to Plan 1919 is: Fuller's Plan 1919 – First Edition; May 24, 1918
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Sorry, I missed that. Glad you found it interesting in any case.
 
iverson said:
lordroel said:
iverson said:
lordroel said:
Reminds me of the What if: the Armistice hadn't happened, Plan 1919
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Which is an unaccredited use of an article that I wrote in my webzine Chandelle years ago. The authorized archival version is here: http://www.worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/1919.html
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Did post this in the end of the article:

Majority of article was previous posted on world at war.net and was called: Plan 1919 , also a good link to Plan 1919 is: Fuller's Plan 1919 – First Edition; May 24, 1918
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Sorry, I missed that. Glad you found it interesting in any case.
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It was interesting to read, a lot of detail.
 
Chandelle! Wow that brings back memories, one of the first aircraft sites that I regularly read.
 
Thanks. Chandelle was almost a one-man operation, except for my long-serving review editor and occasional guest contributions. It finally got to be too much. My only regret is that I let the domain name go during a period of financial austerity (it became a parked redirect for porn sites for bit and is still parked and for sale for some exhorbitant price, last time I checked).

World at War did some selective archiving early on. But I've never gotten around to looking into a host for the full archive.
 
On this topic, the US was also developing unmanned aircraft as weapons and I could see a continuing WW I as bringing those into play.
 
Remote control aircraft had already begun in WWI, in the UK and US. As early as 1916 Archibald Low had developed the secret "AT" aerial torpedo to fly into Zepplins. This was followed by a number of other designs including the British Aerial Target, which flew in March of 1917. The US flew remote controlled Hewitt-Sperry aircraft in 1917 and the Sperry gyro-stabilized autonomous Kettering Bug in October 1918.

I do not know of an account of a German RC aircraft in WWI. I suspect that if the UK and US drones had been deployed that the Germans would have done likewise in 1919.
 

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Justo Miranda said:
I do not have anything interesting about Luft 19 projects but you will be able to find some prototypes with great development potential

Junkers D.I
Pfalz D.XII
Roland D.II
Priesel DD/KEP
Dornier D.I
Fokker V.23
Fokker V.7
Junkers J.2
Fokker V23

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I have also found a drawing by Pye Palm representing a RAF SE4 with bubble canopy
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lordroel said:
Reminds me of the What if: the Armistice hadn't happened, Plan 1919
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I came across the enclosed drawings in a very old "Air Trails" magazine from the early thirties, showing the Dornier Do.X as a military aircraft. I know that the actual aircraft was more of a WIG type like the Eckranoplan, but the design is interesting.
 

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Tomac said:
Justo Miranda said:
I do not have anything interesting about Luft 19 projects but you will be able to find some prototypes with great development potential

Junkers D.I
Pfalz D.XII
Roland D.II
Priesel DD/KEP
Dornier D.I
Fokker V.23
Fokker V.7
Junkers J.2
Fokker V23

in the following urls











I have also found a drawing by Pye Palm representing a RAF SE4 with bubble canopy
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lordroel said:
Reminds me of the What if: the Armistice hadn't happened, Plan 1919
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I came across the enclosed drawings in a very old "Air Trails" magazine from the early thirties, showing the Dornier Do.X as a military aircraft. I know that the actual aircraft was more of a WIG type like the Eckranoplan, but the design is interesting.
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Given the low power of 1919 vintage engines, it might have needed half an ocean to climb out of ground effect.
Hah!
Hah!
 
It should also be noted that during WW1, the Germans bought an electric helicopter design (from some Checzs believe it or not) to replace their observation blimps... which led to Germany getting ahead in helicopter development (which led to designs like the Fl-282 'Hummingbird' and the Fa-223 'Dragon').
 
The PKZ 1 (electric) and PKZ 2 (rotary) tethered helicopters were privately funded in Austria-Hungary, not Germany. The PKZ 1 failed after a few flights and the PKZ 2 was taken to Italy after the war. The designer of the rotor system, Okszar von Asboth, built a series of unstable helicopters in Hungary before working for Blackburn on unsuccessful designs in the 30s.

Focke and Flettner both derived their successful helicopters from autogyros (Focke built Ciervas under license, Flettner turned to autogyros after his first overly-complicated helicopter failed) and their aircraft had absolutely nothing in common with the PKZs except spinning rotors.

This forum has a search function, and anyone using it can see why practical helicopters owe nothing to the Asboth designs.

Dynoman said:
Remote control aircraft had already begun in WWI, in the UK and US. As early as 1916 Archibald Low had developed the secret "AT" aerial torpedo to fly into Zepplins. This was followed by a number of other designs including the British Aerial Target, which flew in March of 1917. The US flew remote controlled Hewitt-Sperry aircraft in 1917 and the Sperry gyro-stabilized autonomous Kettering Bug in October 1918.

I do not know of an account of a German RC aircraft in WWI. I suspect that if the UK and US drones had been deployed that the Germans would have done likewise in 1919.
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Germany was experimenting with guided glide bombs and torpedoes, and there was some effort put into RC aircraft beginning in 1914. Siemens and Mannesmann-Mulag worked on a project analogous to the Kettering Bug called Fledermaus late in the war but very little information has survived.
 
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Yes, fortunately it wasn't used from what I understand, only tested.
 

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