Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)

Kaanere said:
www.bangkokpost.com

Air force eyes F-35 stealth jets

The Royal Thai Air Force is eyeing the procurement of eight US-made F-35 stealth jets, the world
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The Royal Thai Air Force is eyeing the procurement of eight US-made F-35 stealth jets, the world's most advanced warplane, to strengthen national defence, said its commander-in-chief ACM Napadej Dhupatemiya.

ACM Napadej said the air force needs a new fleet of fighter jets as the ageing F-5 and F-16 aircraft have been in service for more than three decades.
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ACM Napadej said the budget planning for an F-35 acquisition project will be initiated in the 2023 fiscal year, which started in October, and the air force is prepared to answer all questions if it chooses to press ahead with the purchase.

A panel will be set up to study the aircraft procurement programme to justify the air force's request for funding, he said.
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I am surprised that some of these countries considering the F-35 don’t consider the KF-21 as an alternative especially on longer delivery timescales for the F-35.
 
It seems unlikely that KF-21 gets delivered much sooner than an F-35 order. Has the F-35 officially passed into full rate production yet?
 
Josh_TN said:
It seems unlikely that KF-21 gets delivered much sooner than an F-35 order. Has the F-35 officially passed into full rate production yet?
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There's a problem with integrating F-35 to JSE and with that declaring Milestone C. Also, it seems to be (ie. imo) that the higher ups of the pentagon are willing to wait for block 4 and possibly the new engine before reaching FRP. Though on long term Pentagon and LM plans to ramp up to 220 airframes per year, or in other words around 80 airframes more than what LM currently manufactures, which I think would be the case of mid 2020s. There were also reports that the current rate of production will be kept "for a while" as well.

Had written about it a while ago if you're interested : https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...-35-news-only-topic.17732/page-67#post-490497

There are other articles by AF Mag from last year regarding it, too.
 
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South Korean F-35 Conducts Emergency ‘Belly Landing’ | Air & Space Forces Magazine

A South Korean air force F-35 pilot made an emergency “belly landing” but escaped unharmed Jan. 4, according to multiple media reports.
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A South Korean air force F-35 pilot was forced to make an emergency “belly landing” but managed to escape unharmed Jan. 4, according to multiple media reports.

The incident was caused by “avionic system issues,” South Korean air force officials told news agency Yonhap, which caused the landing gear to malfunction and resulted in the pilot landing on a runway with the gear up.

Before the landing, a fire engine deployed a special foam on the runway, “which prevented the jet’s fuselage from sustaining any serious damage,” officials added. The full extent of the damage has not been reported.
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aonestudio said:
www.airforcemag.com

South Korean F-35 Conducts Emergency ‘Belly Landing’ | Air & Space Forces Magazine

A South Korean air force F-35 pilot made an emergency “belly landing” but escaped unharmed Jan. 4, according to multiple media reports.
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A South Korean air force F-35 pilot was forced to make an emergency “belly landing” but managed to escape unharmed Jan. 4, according to multiple media reports.

The incident was caused by “avionic system issues,” South Korean air force officials told news agency Yonhap, which caused the landing gear to malfunction and resulted in the pilot landing on a runway with the gear up.

Before the landing, a fire engine deployed a special foam on the runway, “which prevented the jet’s fuselage from sustaining any serious damage,” officials added. The full extent of the damage has not been reported.
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Some Korean News reported Pilot heard boom! sound then electric devices were out except engine and control force
 
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rooster said:
GTX said:
Over 750 delivered!!

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Does anyone have the USA breakdown? Can't locate online
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They don't provide that sort of breakdown but a good estimate would be around 500 across the AF (300+) and DON (150-200). The 4 aircraft delivered to RAF Lakenheath mid December included the 304th USAF F-35A.
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Sooo we've only gotten around 50 for the Marines? And they are in the worst shape with their Hornets held together with tape and bubble gum.
 
rooster said:
bring_it_on said:
rooster said:
GTX said:
Over 750 delivered!!

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Does anyone have the USA breakdown? Can't locate online
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They don't provide that sort of breakdown but a good estimate would be around 500 across the AF (300+) and DON (150-200). The 4 aircraft delivered to RAF Lakenheath mid December included the 304th USAF F-35A.
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Sooo we've only gotten around 50 for the Marines? And they are in the worst shape with their Hornets held together with tape and bubble gum.
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100+ F-35B's for the Marines, and then there are F-35C's for them as well.
 
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Germany reconsiders the F-35 to replace the Tornado - AeroTime

The new German coalition government is reportedly considering the Lockheed Martin F-35A as a possible replacement for the nuclear-capable Panavia Tornado. The Panavia Tornado strike aircraft, which entered service in the 1970s, is the designated aircraft of the Luftwaffe to carry the 20 US-made...
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F-35, Eurofighter ECR back in the mix for Germany

Germany is again eyeing the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and Eurofighter Electronic Combat Role (ECR) as potential solutions to its Tornado...
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Germany is again eyeing the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and Eurofighter Electronic Combat Role (ECR) as potential solutions to its Tornado replacement requirement.

It was reported on 8 January that the country's newly installed Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht had told Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz that the previously discounted F-35 and overlooked Eurofighter ECR were again being considered as replacements for the Luftwaffe's Panavia Tornado Interdiction and Strike/Electronic Combat Reconnaissance aircraft.

“The aim is to clarify again whether buying the more modern F-35 aircraft could be an alternative, and whether the Eurofighter [Electronic Combat Role (ECR)] could [also] be considered for a second task for the Tornado fleet [of] electronic combat,” Lambrecht was reported by the Deutsche Presse-Agentur to have told Scholz.
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I don't understand why you wouldn't employ F-35 in both the nuclear delivery and ECR roles. As I understand it their ECR requirement is more of a SEAD/DEAD aircraft than a broadband escort/standoff jammer, in which case the F-35 could easily fill the role without modification. But there probably is a desire to buy European for any requirement that doesn't require a US aircraft (nuclear delivery).
 
Josh_TN said:
I don't understand why you wouldn't employ F-35 in both the nuclear delivery and ECR roles. As I understand it their ECR requirement is more of a SEAD/DEAD aircraft than a broadband escort/standoff jammer, in which case the F-35 could easily fill the role without modification. But there probably is a desire to buy European for any requirement that doesn't require a US aircraft (nuclear delivery).
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I imagine it’s more a political consideration than anything to buy both a US & European aircraft.
 
Josh_TN said:
I don't understand why you wouldn't employ F-35 in both the nuclear delivery and ECR roles. As I understand it their ECR requirement is more of a SEAD/DEAD aircraft than a broadband escort/standoff jammer, in which case the F-35 could easily fill the role without modification. But there probably is a desire to buy European for any requirement that doesn't require a US aircraft (nuclear delivery).
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Germany has a programme called LuWes which aims to have something more advanced than just the Tornado ECR replacement for SEAD:

The German Air Force programme is known with the acronym LUWES (Luftgestätze Wirkung im Elektromagnetischen Spektrum), that is airborne action in the electromagnetic spectrum and includes three main elements, a Stand-Off Jamming attack platform, an Escort Jamming platform, and Stand-In jamming system
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The Eurofighter ECR and the Luftwaffe Electronic Attack concept - EDR Magazine

The Eurofighter ECR in its 3 configurations will exploit all what is on board including obviously all those passive part of the Escort Jammer
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That's why they want the Growler. On the other hand, if they choose the F-35A they could develop the ECR version of the Eurofighter with new electronic attack pods for stand-off jamming.
 
Potential Thailand buy is moving a (small) step forward:
www.reuters.com

Thailand approves $414 mln budget for fighter jets upgrade

Thailand's cabinet has backed a plan to buy four fighter jets starting in the next fiscal year, an air force spokesman said on Wednesday, with a budget of 13.8 billion baht ($413.67 million) set aside for the procurement.
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They wouldn't for sure. However, I'm curious if it was indeed the intake cover and the circumstances involved.
 
Is that airframe repairable? I know there will be lots of equipment that salt water is unkind to be a ready made airfame might be cheaper than buying another.
 
It has like a week underwater. They were able to locate the wreckage at Dec 1. Salvage operation completed at Dec 7.

It's just no image released on the condition of the airframe after salvage.

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F-35 fighter jet that toppled off Big Lizzie's deck is recovered

The £100million F-35 fighter jet plunged into the Mediterranean Sea last month while conducting routine flying operations in the region, triggering an underwater race against Russia.
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Grey Havoc said:
I seriously doubt they will be able to salvage much, if anything, out of that.
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Flyable no, not worth while. Although there were the Israeli F16's that got flooded, they flew again. But worthwhile as a groundcrew training etc. You can get the systems working, you just wouldnt be able to rely on them. Also Battle damage repair would be happy to get a real modern airframe to make some instructional video's on.

Having said that - if we are at $100M for a replacement, if it costs $50M to repair, and takes 4 years, you are still $50M ahead......complete stripdown, new engine, new avionics, dunk it in fresh water for a week etc. Given the photo, its pretty complete, doable.....
 
Fluff said:
Grey Havoc said:
I seriously doubt they will be able to salvage much, if anything, out of that.
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Flyable no, not worth while. Although there were the Israeli F16's that got flooded, they flew again. But worthwhile as a groundcrew training etc. You can get the systems working, you just wouldnt be able to rely on them. Also Battle damage repair would be happy to get a real modern airframe to make some instructional video's on.

Having said that - if we are at $100M for a replacement, if it costs $50M to repair, and takes 4 years, you are still $50M ahead......complete stripdown, new engine, new avionics, dunk it in fresh water for a week etc. Given the photo, its pretty complete, doable.....
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And if it's built to USMC/USN standards it's damn near dipped in sealant for corrosion resistance.
 
sferrin said:
Fluff said:
Grey Havoc said:
I seriously doubt they will be able to salvage much, if anything, out of that.
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Flyable no, not worth while. Although there were the Israeli F16's that got flooded, they flew again. But worthwhile as a groundcrew training etc. You can get the systems working, you just wouldnt be able to rely on them. Also Battle damage repair would be happy to get a real modern airframe to make some instructional video's on.

Having said that - if we are at $100M for a replacement, if it costs $50M to repair, and takes 4 years, you are still $50M ahead......complete stripdown, new engine, new avionics, dunk it in fresh water for a week etc. Given the photo, its pretty complete, doable.....
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And if it's built to USMC/USN standards it's damn near dipped in sealant for corrosion resistance.
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We lost an F-14 in the drink during our 82/83 WestPac, as far as I know it got recovered, overhauled/refurbished then eventually put back into service.
 
One F-14 was lost in 1976 and its recovery was pretty... memorable, not least because Soviets trawlers hanged around. Think it was in the Mediterranean sea.
 

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