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Triton said:I know about the L-300 designation for the C-141 Starlighter.
circle-5 said:And I was under the impression the L-200 was the early version of the Lockheed XFV-1, as identified on the side of this factory model (which came directly from Skunk Works).
Skyblazer said:I thought this had been made abundantly clear previously in this thread, but anyway...
Skyblazer said:You mean Starlifter, not "Starlighter"...
I have L-200 for the commercial Starlifter and L-300 for the military one, but I'll have to verify this.
The L-200/L-300 Starlifter designations are part of a very limited set of strictly commercial designations introduced much later, in the 1960s.
pometablava said:Does anybody knows which was the 2 February 1951 RFP GOR number won by the Lockheed CL-206 Model 82 C-130 Hercules?
Thanks in advance,
Antonio
hesham said:does anyone hear about Lockheed CL-1147 STOL transport aircraft project ?.
Skyblazer said:hesham said:does anyone hear about Lockheed CL-1147 STOL transport aircraft project ?.
No, I haven't. I'd be delighted to know more about this.
PaulMM (Overscan) said:I can confirm the designation is correct.
CL-1007 : Mach 2.2 version, in fact a hybrid CL-901/984 version with different avionics and radar (F15J)
L-1010 : Mach 2.4 version with R21G Nasarr and increased range capability (CL-901 based)
Skyblazer said:L-402 LASA-60 small civil STOL transport (2 ex.,1959); license-built by Lockheed-Azcarate SA in Mexico
petebutt43@hotmail.com said:From:
Journal, American Aviation Historical Society, 1999, Summer: page 102-112, Winter: page 288-297. 2000, Spring: page 53-63
petebutt43@hotmail.com said:L-330 VZ-10 or XV-4A HUMMINGBIRD VTOL research aircraft
L-331 XV-4B HUMMINGBIRD VTOL research aircraft
CL-800 either a variant of the ELECTRA or a four-jet transport based on the STARLINER
L-995 S-3A VIKING
CL-330 VZ-10A (XV-4A) HUMMINGBIRD (L-331 being the XV-4B)
CL-351 U-2R (later TR-1) high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft
CL-351 either a STARFIGHTER-related project or as the U-2R (TR-1) DRAGON LADY
proposed STOL version of HERCULES (GL-298-6/-7)
PaulMM (Overscan) said:Note the XV-4A HUMMINGBIRD was Lockheed Georgia. I think it was Model 330 - someone has assumed it was L-330.
Favourable review of this proposal (Temporary Design Designation GL-224) led to the award in September 1961 of a $2·5 mn contract for the design . construction and testing of two VZ-10 prototypes (Model 330, serials 62-4503 and 62-4504).'
Three-view drawing of the L-204, anyone?hesham said:CL-204 single seat fighter developed from
Northamerican F-93
Isnt it L-204? Final development of P-80/F-94... Three view is in appendix B in Lockheed Skunk Works book by Jay Miller.
nvm, looks like you have the drawings for the L-204, However, where's the three-view for the L-204-3?Jay Miller said:L-204—By the time F-94C contractor trials had been completed and the flight test program was assimilated by the Air Force, the Skunk Works, as it existed at that time, had become involved in a totally different aircraft program. Concurrently, Hall Hibbard and "Kelly" Johnson had elected to carry the basic F-94—and by default, the original P-80 configuration - to its ultimate level of development. The resulting L-204 variants, though stillborn, are worthy of mention. These studies, initiated during July of 1950, and assigned temporary design designations from L-204-1 to L-204-3, were conducted by Willis Hawkins with the intent of improving the aircraft's performance (specifically top speed and range). The resulting designs were all single-seat configurations with the normal back seat position replaced with a 143.5 gallon (543l) saddle tank. All three configurations were equipped only with air-to-air rocket armament, an E-5 fire control system, and Pratt & Whitney's 8,750 Ib. thrust J48-P-5 engine. The L-204-2 was to be equipped with a new 6% thickness/chord ratio wing similar in planform to its predecessors, while the L-204-3 was to have a 6% thickness/chord ratio wing with a low-aspect ratio and high taper ratio. Even more interesting was the L-204-1 which was to be equipped with a variable-geometry wing having a 0°- to 55° sweep capability. At each pivot point the sweep angle was to be controlled by a hydraulically-operated screw drive. Two horizontal tail configurations were proposed. In one, the single-piece horizontal tail was to be mounted at the extreme end of the empennage above the exhaust; in the other, the horizontal tail was to be rigidly attached to the vertical tail, which in turn was hinged and hydraulically moved around a hinge point—thus changing the horizontal tail incidence.Source: Books about Lockheed Martin an their aircraft from Jay Miller & R. J. FrancillonJay Miller said:Principle characteristics and calculated performance were as follows:
Model L-204-1 L-204-1 L-204-1 L-204-2 L-204-3
Wing Sweep 0° 35° 55° n.a. n.a.
Length (feet/inches) n.a. n.a. n.a. 42,70 42,50
Span (feet/inches) // (mtcm 37,60 30,90 25,30 37,30 31,00
Wing area (square feet) 233,00 254,00 271,00 392,00 275,00
Zero fuel weight (pounds) 14.573,00 n.a. n.a. 13.316,00 12.305,00
Combat weight (pounds) 18.330,00 18.380,00 18.750,00 18.390,00 16.190,00
Max. Takeoff weight (pounds) 22.186,00 n.a. n.a. 24.098,00 20.345,00
Internal fuel (gallons) 665,00 665,00 665,00 812,00 730,00
External fuel (gallons) 460,00 n.a. n.a. 750,00 460,00
Vmax at sea level (mph) 654,00 739,00 765,00 704,00 706,00
Combat climb rate (feet/minute) 3.500,00 3.800,00 6.200,00 4.100,00 4.150,00
Combat ceiling (feet) 50.000,00 48.800,00 44.500,00 49.500,00 49.000,00
Combat radius (miles) 575,00 560,00 455,00 760,00 540,00
Hi,
does anyone hear about Lockheed CL-1147 STOL transport aircraft project ?.
19 CL-1147 configurations documented. Several of these are Electra variations, others clean-sheet STOL designs. Only drawing I have is -15 which is a STOL Electra version.