Kriegsmarine - KM Ship Plans/Discussion

Try adding details, like some ropes, cables, antennas, capstans, winches, bitts and fairleads, anchors, boats etc
 
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I have plans of a few kms ships and books about them
 
Seems to be, but my question is how were they supposed to place those twenty 127mm? They definitely would put 5 or 6 next to the bridge but what about the rest?
 
I think that is 20 barrels eg 10 twin mount so the rest would be on sponsons, or a single barrel mount was considered
 
Force Lord said:
Unfortunately no. At least, not published. If there's anything in the Kriegsmarine archives it's probably not yet digitized in Invenio.
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say armor wise, it probably was similar to the A-III C variant, or anything of the A series.
 
MrMemerMan said:
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say armor wise, it probably was similar to the A-III C variant, or anything of the A series.
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Whitley actually mentions that the German aircraft cruisers had variants that were pure carriers, however he gives no outlines of these versions.
 
goofygoober20000 said:
I think it could have been a SK C/34 (the only 127mm in kriegsmarine) or a completely different design
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The passage outright calls them "DP guns", so assumedly the author is not referring to the standard C/34 guns in SP mountings.
Of course, this doesn't narrow it down at all: this could be the LM/41 twin mounting for the DDs (although that one is only 52 degrees max elevation -- perhaps a different version would reach 70 degrees, as I recall the single mount did?)
It could also be the KM 40 (128/61), or the "12.7cm Doppelflak" whose documents are is in the weaponry folder.

(The fact they are called "127mm" in the passage is probably just a designation quirk, the same as British 113mm guns being called "114mm", and German 149mm guns being called "150mm".)
 
goofygoober20000 said:
Very interesting...
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So they were looking at what was effectively (in some respects at least) a Battlecarrier design though the alternate interpretation of it being a German equivalent to the Midway-class has merit as well, along with a 'Flight-deck cruiser' design, both for use in a post-war period following what was still then seen as a inevitable Axis victory.
 
Seeing as so much incorrect information was spread about the armor scheme of the Scharnhorsts, do we have any (verified) plans or drawings of the armor of the Bismarck class and the H class?
It seems odd that the Bismarck armor scheme would look so different from the Scharnhorst scheme.
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YourChair said:
Seeing as so much incorrect information was spread about the armor scheme of the Scharnhorsts, do we have any (verified) plans or drawings of the armor of the Bismarck class and the H class?
It seems odd that the Bismarck armor scheme would look so different from the Scharnhorst scheme.
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I don't think there is for H39. Either lost or buried somewhere in some container at BAMA.

There is a similar one to your Scharnhorst on Tirpitz, but that's probably "as planned", and not an "as fitted" plan.

Bismarck horizontal armour deck over the forward magazine wasn't 100 mm but 95 mm, or the main mast upper lookout wasn't 60 mm, but 55 mm by the time they finished construction. And who knows what else more was different.
 
De Grasse cruiser was one of my ship during year 1971 in Pacific "tour" for nuclear tests.
Some drawings made on different step... in french sorry ! :cool:
 

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goofygoober20000 said:
Information about O-39 and beyond (not the best quality but it still works)
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Old stuffs, you can find them on previous pages, beside O-39 (the original O-class) the rest are modified variants to fit some committee requirements while PI and PII are brand new designs (fully diesel powered machinery instead mixed, no torpedoes, no floatplane hangars and first German large warships to have unified DP guns).
 
alexi said:
Old stuffs, you can find them on previous pages, beside O-39 (the original O-class) the rest are modified variants to fit some committee requirements while PI and PII are brand new designs (fully diesel powered machinery instead mixed, no torpedoes, no floatplane hangars and first German large warships to have unified DP guns).
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Old stuff for some but not all of us. Are there any drawings or sketches of the PI and PII?
 
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Very very interesting. Has any information survived on the wargames themselves? What scenarios were being studied can provide interesting historical insights, the classic example (slight derail) being the 1905 wargame carried out by the British General Staff into what could be done to oppose a German invasion of Belgium in the event of a Franco-German war. The results of that fed directly into the establishment of the Entante and British planning for cross channel transport in the event of war. A discussion of this game in the context of the value of war planning can be found at the link below.

 

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