That kind of penetration is really only useful against a subset of land targets. I would not think that relevant for what is nominally an anti ship missile.
 
That kind of penetration is really only useful against a subset of land targets. I would not think that relevant for what is nominally an anti ship missile.
NSM gets atleast with Block 1A development new Land target capabilitys as for many they don't have mutch more other except there jets which may have a limited cruise missile arsenal. And yes this probaly has more use for JSM but i would guess many countries would take them on NSM too which can be ground /ship or helicopter launched.
 
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Italian Navy geting JSM for F-35B....

I do wonder if the UK will eventually go for a small buy...even 50 would address a big capability gap.

 
Italian Navy geting JSM for F-35B....

I do wonder if the UK will eventually go for a small buy...even 50 would address a big capability gap.


JSM is turning out to be a very successful missile (in terms of sales).
 
JSM is turning out to be a very successful missile (in terms of sales).

Yes and No. It took some time to get going (likeNSM). The big prize was obviously the US order. But I'd be surprised if more than 400 are actually on order at present (by 'on order'I mean contracted or in a multi year requirement like the US 268).

The demand for air launched AShM is never enormous, for the simple fact there are only so many targets out there, they're mainly used as a threat rather than actual use. The big orders would come if it got some traction as a land attack munition...
 
Yes and No. It took some time to get going (likeNSM). The big prize was obviously the US order. But I'd be surprised if more than 400 are actually on order at present (by 'on order'I mean contracted or in a multi year requirement like the US 268).

The demand for air launched AShM is never enormous, for the simple fact there are only so many targets out there, they're mainly used as a threat rather than actual use. The big orders would come if it got some traction as a land attack munition...
Tought JSM also is designed for quite good Land Attack capabilitys. Maybe not the most powerful but enough for a lot of targets
 
Yes and No. It took some time to get going (likeNSM). The big prize was obviously the US order. But I'd be surprised if more than 400 are actually on order at present (by 'on order'I mean contracted or in a multi year requirement like the US 268).

The demand for air launched AShM is never enormous, for the simple fact there are only so many targets out there, they're mainly used as a threat rather than actual use. The big orders would come if it got some traction as a land attack munition...

I thought Japan also placed a large order??? Maybe I'm wrong.
 
Tought JSM also is designed for quite good Land Attack capabilitys. Maybe not the most powerful but enough for a lot of targets

It does. But people buying it to date have been after its anti-ship capabilities, which will never be the largest market. For Land Attack more range and a larger warhead...or just cheaper will probably win out. Perosnally I thought that SOM-J was going to do good business on F-35, but Turkey leaving made that moot.
 
They've placed an order. But size isn't clear. US will be biggest customer with a requirement for 268.

I think long term the USAF has a 500 missile requirement, but I doubt we ever actually get to that. JSM is I think a couple million dollars; it seems likely SiAW will be cheaper if only because it will likely be built at 600/yr at the new facility built for the purpose. And I suspect it will have a secondary AShM capability, given that AGM-88E (and by extension G) already does.

That said there are so many F-35 customers and JSM is the only internal cruise missile town. I suspect there will be a mild but steady market for the missile, particularly dual capability missiles.
 
That said there are so many F-35 customers and JSM is the only internal cruise missile town. I suspect there will be a mild but steady market for the missile, particularly dual capability missiles.

Problem is is that it won't be a particularly good land attack missile. Like I said earlier its not cheap, not very long ranged or has a large warhead. You could hang a far more capable JASSM off a wing pylon and have far greater range and effect for similar cost. The loss of stealth hardly matters when you can fire it off from well outside any AD systems range.

Don't get me wrong I think JSM is a good idea, and I'd hope the UK buys a small number, but I don't think its going to set the world alight.
 

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Defense Updates has just uploaded a video about the USS Fitzgerald test-firing an NSM against a target ship:


The U.S. Navy has confirmed that an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer fired a Naval Strike Missile (NSM) during the recent Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) military exercises.
In a statement released on October 23, 2024, the Navy announced, “Among the flurry of fleet activities in the recent (RIMPAC exercise in Hawaii was a milestone that Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division (NSWC PHD) spearheaded — the first demonstration firing of a NSM from a U.S. Navy destroyer.”
On July 18, the USS Fitzgerald participated in a sinking exercise (SINKEX) as part of the multi-national RIMPAC drills, targeting a decommissioned amphibious ship about 55 miles or 88 km off Kauai. Viewers may note that the warship was photographed with an NSM launcher in a photo taken around June end.
In this video, Defense Updates analyzes why USS Fitzgerald firing NSM is a big deal ?
Chapters:
00:11 INTRODUCTION
02:12 INSTALLATION
03:05 NAVAL STRIKE MISSILE
05:36 ANTI SHIP CAPABILITIES IN ARLEIGH BURKE WARSHIPS
08:53 ANALYSIS
 
New Defense Updates video about the USMC's new NMESIS system:


US Marines from the 3d Marine Littoral Regiment (3d MLR), part of the 3d Marine Division, now have a powerful new weapon in their arsenal. The regiment has received the Navy-Marine Expeditionary Ship Interdiction System (NMESIS), an advanced anti-ship missile system.
Beyond the menacing name, the NMESIS is designed to boost the Marine Corps’ anti-ship capabilities, particularly for potential conflicts in the Pacific theater, where Marine units would be expected to deploy to several islands throughout the ocean.
This marks the first deployment of the NMESIS in the field, following years of testing and development. The system will be operated by the regiment's Medium-Range Missile Battery, based in Oahu, Hawaii.
In this video, Defense Updates analyzes how the US Marine Corps is getting a major capability boost with NMESIS ?
Chapters:
00:11 INTRODUCTION
01:59 NEMESIS OVERVIEW
03:56 NAVAL STRIKE MISSILE (NSM)
06:43 ANALYSIS
 
Anyone knows if there has been any progress on the submarine, torpedo launch version of the NSM/JSM??
 
Anyone knows if there has been any progress on the submarine, torpedo launch version of the NSM/JSM??

No very recent news. It apparently was going to be developed as a quid pro quo for arming the German and Norwegian 212CD submarines. But then Germany and Norway also announced development of the 3SM Tyrfing ramjet powered missile. Apparently this will complement NSM. We don't know a huge amount about Tyrfing. We know it should be launched from canisters, and perhaps Mk.41 VLS. But we don't know its dimensions to see if it will fit in a 21 inch encapsulated torpedo round.

Truth is we just don't know....212CD is in build at the moment and the first boat should be finished in 2029...but of the 4 'new' weapons posited for it, CHWT, IDAS, Sea Spider and NSM-SL none have actually been developed and fired....its likely it enters service with the Hake HWT only at present.
 
No very recent news. It apparently was going to be developed as a quid pro quo for arming the German and Norwegian 212CD submarines. But then Germany and Norway also announced development of the 3SM Tyrfing ramjet powered missile. Apparently this will complement NSM. We don't know a huge amount about Tyrfing. We know it should be launched from canisters, and perhaps Mk.41 VLS. But we don't know its dimensions to see if it will fit in a 21 inch encapsulated torpedo round.

Truth is we just don't know....212CD is in build at the moment and the first boat should be finished in 2029...but of the 4 'new' weapons posited for it, CHWT, IDAS, Sea Spider and NSM-SL none have actually been developed and fired....its likely it enters service with the Hake HWT only at present.
Just to note Germany just announced development of IDAS funding...
 
In 2023, there was apparently Spanish Navy funding to study integration of NSM-SL into the S-80 submarines. But that doesn't mean the missile exists beyond a paper study.
 
Australian manufactured NSM launcher has been tested for the first time. Australia is making some progress towards domesticating the NSM.

 

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