Jaguar kills off its model line, with no clear plan for the future

i have impression to see crossover of a brick and soap bar,
this not good from aesthetic sale point

the front is simply ugly, look more closed Air intake of old soviet Fighter.
the lights are wrong, so wrong positions they increase the high of fake intake even more !
the Wheels are far to big for the Car from proportion side.
Also the car is too low for practical driving, try to drive that car over Belgium highway...
what i think of back side of type 00, i keep quiet for politeness.

Let me gess
DEI play a role for hiring the designer of type 00 ?
To be fair, it's not a prototype but a concept car. Concept cars have the role of introducing ideas and the more shocking they are the better. One article said that it still didn't look real in daylight, more like a simple render of itself. I agree. The only prototypes we've seen have been heavily disguised. That said, it has been said that the production car will look as much like the concept as possible.

I like sf, so I'm seeing an artefact from the planet Fashion. OK, that's... very interesting. Tell me more about your customs.

Personally, I'll be glad if enough people buy it because I want to see Jaguar's name about. However, I like Morgan's philosophy, which used to be Lotus': light weight, small footprint, timeless design, tweed outfit essential, only technology that's necessary, and who cares if it looks funny. If I had the money...
 
However, I like Morgan's philosophy, which used to be Lotus': light weight, small footprint, timeless design, tweed outfit essential, only technology that's necessary, and who cares if it looks funny. If I had the money...
Don't forget the rogueish moustache; Dirk Dastardly or Graham Hill style. You can't drive a Jaaaaaaaaag without one.
 
Personally, I'll be glad if enough people buy it because I want to see Jaguar's name about. However, I like Morgan's philosophy, which used to be Lotus': light weight, small footprint, timeless design, tweed outfit essential, only technology that's necessary, and who cares if it looks funny. If I had the money...
Caterham Super 7.
 
The non-British options would be a Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ or Mazda Miata.

Miatas are ridiculously fun to drive, absolutely giggle-inducing whether you're carving up a twisty road or drifting it around a parking lot. And you can get a detachable hardtop if you don't like a canvas convertible top.
 
Yeah I never got on with the MX5. My mum had one and it was possibly the most unenthusiastic engine I've ever had the displeasure of driving.

Seems they copied the MGB a little too thoroughly.

Now a Porsche Cayman 3.4S is another story. But we're digressing, and somewhat off-topic.

Having worked at Gaydon for the majority of the last 15 years, at both JLR and AML I've been lucky enough to drive pretty much everything they've built over the last 20 years. For me, the first gen XF and final XJ are probably the best offerings of the lot. The XF-RS was just fantastic around the Nurburgring, as was the XJR. And for both, the base models were just a great place to be on a journey in the real world, and they were peak JLR quality and reliability too. So at least on par with German efforts of the time.
 
Yeah I never got on with the MX5. My mum had one and it was possibly the most unenthusiastic engine I've ever had the displeasure of driving.

Seems they copied the MGB a little too thoroughly.

Now a Porsche Cayman 3.4S is another story. But we're digressing, and somewhat off-topic.

Having worked at Gaydon for the majority of the last 15 years, at both JLR and AML I've been lucky enough to drive pretty much everything they've built over the last 20 years. For me, the first gen XF and final XJ are probably the best offerings of the lot. The XF-RS was just fantastic around the Nurburgring, as was the XJR. And for both, the base models were just a great place to be on a journey in the real world, and they were peak JLR quality and reliability too. So at least on par with German efforts of the time.

There's nothing especially wrong with Mazda's engines. I do know that Mazda sells a 1.5 liter MX5 in the UK, and that engine has a very long stroke, which always makes an engine reluctant to pick up RPMs.

As far as JLR, Tata's ownership has been better than Ford's. Admittedly, German reliability is not a very high benchmark by North American standards. BMWs, Mercedes and Audis are the sort of cars that are fine to lease new but will eat a second or third owner alive with repair bills. I The real problem with Jaguar is that saloons, otherwise known as sedans, just don't sell well outside of China. In America, the Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7-series have the worst resale value of any vehicles sold. What chance did the last generation XJ have as an also ran? Or for that matter the bland second gen XF or well reviewed XE? Diesel Ingenium aside, Jaguar was selling better cars than they had historically, albeit into a market that just didn't want cars at all, but SUVs and trucks.
 
The MX-5 is a bit old school, it's all about maintaining momentum and revs.

Try to drive any engine like that, as you would the 3.4 et al Boxster engine and you will be disappointed every time. Drive it like an old school Lotus 7 or a mini and you will get it completely.

Watch an adept driver in a Citroen 2CV, see how they manmage to carve through traffic with ease for inspiration.
 
Oh I understand it completely. I have had 3 Citroen AXs over the years. All 1.0L, sub 600kg with only 45bhp. Probably the most fun cars I've had in my life. But the MX-5 just didn't do it for me. The 1990 Honda Civic 1.6 - 16v I had however, ticked all the right boxes; lightweight, zingy engine, darty steering.

A car needs to deliver one of two things for me to enjoy it; either a) its so slow you can drive it flat out everywhere, but light enough that you can embarrass much more expensive cars (aka Citroen AX :) ), or b) its got significantly more power than grip so that you have to tame The Beast, otherwise it'll kill you.

Currently, I'm in b.... :D
 
Oh I understand it completely. I have had 3 Citroen AXs over the years. All 1.0L, sub 600kg with only 45bhp. Probably the most fun cars I've had in my life. But the MX-5 just didn't do it for me. The 1990 Honda Civic 1.6 - 16v I had however, ticked all the right boxes; lightweight, zingy engine, darty steering.

A car needs to deliver one of two things for me to enjoy it; either a) its so slow you can drive it flat out everywhere, but light enough that you can embarrass much more expensive cars (aka Citroen AX :) ), or b) its got significantly more power than grip so that you have to tame The Beast, otherwise it'll kill you.

Currently, I'm in b.... :D
If you can find an older Miata with the 1.8L, those are fun. I don't think they were ever offered in the US with a 1.5L. I think the new Miatas in the US are up to a 2.4L that is still super rev-happy. 8500rpm redline kind of fun.

All the road-racers I know online say to start out in the Miata Spec racing class, you will learn how to keep your speed up through the corners because the cars don't have enough power to get back up to speed if you jump on the brakes like F1 cars do.
 
It will never happen but, I would be beside myself to have a Porsche 912, old school. Four cylinders and 1600 or 2 litre.

Sadly they are telephone numbers now.
 
From the conjoined brand, Range Rover, the second generation Velar prototype. It's an EV and its place in Range Rover's spectrum is furthest from the SUV end and closest to the car end.

This surprised me:

The roofline looks raked and more dynamic, but of particular note is the robust camera and antennae array on the roof – coupled with a relatively fake looking rear window. We’re used to seeing mocked-up and disguised prototypes winter testing, but this particular combination of fake window and sensor array points to one thing: a Polestar 4-style setup without a window.


Reading that, it's now obvious in the rear three-quarter view.

Now the rationale given by Polestar for the deletion of the rear window in the 4 and upcoming 5 is that moving the rear bulkhead back allows greater interior space but it has to be higher, while a fastback roofline gives better aerodynamics. The combination gives a coupe-like silhouette without compromising rear space but ends up with a rear window too small to be useful. Cameras supposedly compensate well enough or are even better for this.

The new Jaguar will certainly share many components with the Velar 2 (as well as the Range Rover Electric) and both have been designed under the direction of JLR's chief designer, Gerry McGovern. He's fan of clean modernism in design and to me, modern Range Rovers carry on that aesthetic from the first generation Range Rover and the Rover SD1 by way of the Rovers of Roy Axe and Gordon Sked. Since the Velar 2 is going to be a fastback, it will look even more like an SD1.

JLR currently owns the rights to the Rover brand.

A bit of history of the SD1. The model here has the updated but still handsome interior while the early ones were more pure.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmzfdHyBIQ&t=477s&ab_channel=Number27


Land Rover's first go at a 'conventional' car:


You may not want to click on that link - it's rather... odd-looking. A few years back RR was rumoured to be reviving the Road Rover name and concept for a new EV but it was cancelled at around the same time as the similarly unreleased last Jaguar XJ. The Velar 2 seems to be filling that role now though.

Anyway, the point is, Jaguar, Range Rover, Land Rover have become very closely tied together over the years and Jaguar's current strategy has to be understood within the context of that relationship. Without it, it certainly would be an ex-cat.
 

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Anyway, the point is, Jaguar, Range Rover, Land Rover have become very closely tied together over the years and Jaguar's current strategy has to be understood within the context of that relationship. Without it, it certainly would be an ex-cat.
Right, which is why I'm confused about Jaguar building SUVs at all.

If you want a British SUV, it's called a Rover. full stop.

If you want a British car, it's called a Jaguar. (Or Aston-Martin, or McLaren, if you're getting into hypercars)
 
Right, which is why I'm confused about Jaguar building SUVs at all.

If you want a British SUV, it's called a Rover. full stop.
Hmm, not in the UK. Range Rover make big armchairs that go offroad (or Chelsea high street), Rover made gradually worse road cars until they went out of business. the two are very distinct.

Also, having worked on both F-Pace and Velar I can tell you the design direction, target markets and outright capability of the two vehicles is quite different. Certainly on-road the Jag was much better, but could not go offroad like the Velar could. Velar also had a much more luxury interior at a time when Jag was being made into a mainstream premium brand, so had fairly generic material choices inside.
 
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I drove a Rover 111 some times, didn't care much for its looks, but it handled quite nicely. Good engine. Then I would get back into my two-door Saab, the one that would list noticeably to the side where I had opened one of its doors. Different experience.
 
Hmm, not in the UK. Range Rover make big armchairs that go offroad (or Chelsea high street), Rover made gradually worse road cars until they went out of business. the two are very distinct.

Also, having worked on both F-Pace and Velar I can tell you the design direction, target markets and outright capability of the two vehicles is quite different. Certainly on-road the Jag was much better, but could not go offroad like the Velar could. Velar also had a much more luxury interior at a time when Jag was being made into a mainstream premium brand, so had fairly generic material choices inside.
Interesting. If the Velar 2 is a fastback sedan and Jaguar's new lineup is said to be the 4-door GT, a limousine and an SUV, I wonder how they're going to co-ordinate the brand and their models. Maybe they decided that the Velar was too close to the Range Sport in its current form.

I do know that based on the leaked photos of the cancelled XJ and 'J-Pace' they were heading into a dead end of self-imitation.


 
Well there's a shock, I thought...

Tata Offloads Jaguar to Geely​



...until I read it all.

With this move, another iconic British brand moves into Chinese hands. While the deal raises plenty of questions about Jaguar’s long-term direction, there’s at least one certainty: this particular bit of news is only good for today. Happy April 1st.
 
Well there's a shock, I thought...

Tata Offloads Jaguar to Geely​



...until I read it all.

With this move, another iconic British brand moves into Chinese hands. While the deal raises plenty of questions about Jaguar’s long-term direction, there’s at least one certainty: this particular bit of news is only good for today. Happy April 1st.

It's not particularly plausible as an April Fools joke as Jaguar has absolutely no brand equity or customer good will left. What is there to buy?
 
The factory and workers.

Castle Bromwich Assembly, where all Jaguar sedans and sports cars were assembled, was closed aside from a body panel stamping plant. The peculiar and unloved E-Pace was built under contract in Austria and the F-Pace came from Sollihul, which is still an active Land Rover plant. There literally is nothing left to sell in terms of physical infrastructure. Except maybe the tooling and dies for scrap.
 

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