Jaguar kills off its model line, with no clear plan for the future

New advert for the branding, repeating Sir William Lyons' view that a Jaguar should be a 'copy of nothing'.
View: https://youtu.be/rLtFIrqhfng?si=46vEmPVDaMdg12RF

New advert for the branding, repeating Sir William Lyons' view that a Jaguar should be a 'copy of nothing'.
View: https://youtu.be/rLtFIrqhfng?si=46vEmPVDaMdg12RF
That was a disquieting sci-fi video of models who looked profoundly uncomfortable and desperately unhappy. Although the Andy Warhol lookalike with the paintbrush did look slightly pleased with himself. Probably just happy for a days work, even ifs it’s the naffest car commercial in recent memory.
 
TinWing,

Like fashion, cars should do a number of things in terms of design. First, basic functionality. I think most drivers were not looking to buy muscle cars or ready to convert hot rods post-war. Or letting loose on the highway at 150 mph. Messerschmitt produced small and inexpensive cars after the war. In the U.S. in the 1950s, Silver Certificates were in circulation. Prosperity due to heavy defense spending, and the post-war increase in births, existed. The country was on the gold standard.

Men and women could buy very nice clothes for not a lot of money. Car designers would be influenced by jet aircraft design and other trends, but as the TV commercials told us, "See the USA in your Chevrolet." It was about families. It was about fun. The Pontiac GTO from 1963 showed a combination of elements. This was the Great Time Out car.

Next was style and a certain degree of elegance. My parents had the mandatory boy and girl and looked just fine dressed up. There was a universal appeal to civil behavior and patriotism. Most people were on the same page. Men like John DeLorean knew this and could transfer such ideas into metal. Today, there is what I call "directionless blandness" in car design. Attention is being paid to trivia like tail lights and headlights. I can picture people with absolutely no knowledge of design telling designers to "make sure it doesn't look like the old stuff." This to give the illusion of living in "the future."

The High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV; colloquial: Humvee) actually succeeds in terms of function and aesthetics. Far beyond the civilian auto industry.

So what should a Jaguar look like? It should look like a Jaguar. I am aware of buyers being conditioned to only want "something new." The false idea that anything - anything at all - is not your father's (fill in the blank) is false. Of course, improvements that save weight without sacrificing safety or that increase fuel mileage, and similar, are not to be ignored. But the arms race in car design appears to be over. The money managers think they can call the shots. They think they can step into the shoes of creatives. The same in Hollywood. How hard can it be?

A Jaguar should have distinctly British lines. It should appear on the road and command attention. That's a Jaguar.
 
In the UK Jaguar never shook off its 'Arthur Daley' image from the 80s, selling several generations of the same shape XJ, copies of each other, into the 2010s, then making fatter four-seat Aston Martin DB7-alikes, more copies, designed under Ian Callum.
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I have a sneaking suspicion what is really being revived now is Daimler, for a long time just a rebadged Jag (see pic above), but the version of that company from its pre-Jaguar ownership days. They cost more than most cars of their time and looked 'fabulous'.

That seems like the vibe from the new ad too. See below and https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...o-clear-plan-for-the-future.44779/post-727564

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What is a Jaguar supposed to look like?
IMO, a Jaguar should refer back to the D and E types from the 1950s. Witness all the US cars harkening back to the design cues of their heydays, like the Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc.

A body shape that looks like the skin is draped over the wheels. Long hood, short deck.
 
New advert for the branding, repeating Sir William Lyons' view that a Jaguar should be a 'copy of nothing'.
Nice ad but, sell it cars ? No
the target customer don't know what it see,
is this Fashion ad ? a Experimental music Video ? Art House ?
This Jaguar rebranding effort look more like Paris fashion show...
...were the target customer drive his wife to next fashion outlet

You Sell Cars Jaguar, CARS !

How to do Car ad RIGHT for target customer:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQnPWjK5pE


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCIF6JF1O5U
 
My hot take is that 99.95% of all car adds are crap anyway* so who cares?

*Unless you think your car is going to fly, go through a volcano whilst doing 360s on an empty road made out of gummy bears with creepy smiling people in the back seat while not disturbing your iced coffee in the cup holder on a regular basis.
 
The ad has got millions of views and even Musk has engaged with it. No such thing as bad publicity?

Maybe the'Daimler' approach will go the whole hog too:

Problem is that Jaguar was refused permission to register the "Daimler" name as a trademark in the USA back in 2009. From the verdict:-

"In sum, when we consider the evidence as a whole, we find that the USPTO [US Patent and Trademark Office] has made out a prima facie case that DAIMLER is primarily merely a surname and that applicant has not rebutted this prima facie case

Decision: The refusal to register is affirmed."

So while "The Daimler Motor Company Limited" is still a company registered in the UK as a wholly owned subsidiary of Jaguar Land Rover Limited, wih its ultimate parent being Tata Motors Limited in India, it hasn't traded for some considerable period of time, nor had any other transactions as it has been classified as "dormant".

Wiki has a footnote:-
"Jaguar now shares the rights to the Daimler name with Daimler AG, the German car manufacturer created when DaimlerChrysler was split up. Jaguar agreed terms in 2007 which allow the German company to use the Daimler brand as the title of a trading company, a trade name, or a corporate name – rights it did not hold previously. The renegotiated terms did not affect Jaguar's rights to build Daimler cars. A spokesman for Jaguar said, "The extended usage agreement does not affect either company's existing right to use the Daimler name for a product." "The Times, 28 July 2008.


This is where it gets complicated. Mercedes-Benz AG (formerly Daimler AG between 2007 and 2022) also had an interest in "Daimler Truck" which it spun off as a separate listed company in 2021 and which sells trucks and buses under a variety of different brand names.

I would think it highly unlikely that Tata/JLR would choose to revive the Daimler name even if it still holds the rights to do so, when there has been such a close association of the name with Mercedes-Benz until relatively recent times.
 
I don't blame them. Who wants to miss the smell of gasoline while fueling your car? The market does not want change.
 
I don't think the Daimler name is being revived, but perhaps it's 'brand values' are.

I know they cannot use the name in the US and did not after the 60s - IIRC what were called Daimler in the UK were called Vanden Plas in the US, i.e. the more expensive/luxurious Jaguars.

I think they may still have the right to use that name over there but doubt they would.

This article shows how 'jaGUar' now aim to shock, shed 85% of their existing customers and use bold colours. Gerry McGovern has been scathing in the past about what Jaguar had become. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...admits-wont-appeal-traditional-customers.html
 
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I don't think the Daimler name is being revived, but perhaps it's 'brand values' are.

I know they cannot use the name in the US and did not after the 60s - IIRC what were called Daimler in the UK were called Vanden Plas in the US, i.e. the more expensive/luxurious Jaguars.

I think they may still have the right to use that name over there but doubt they would.

This article shows how 'jaGUar' now aim to shock, shed 85% of their existing customers and use bold colours. Gerry McGovern has been scathing in the past about what Jaguar had become. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...admits-wont-appeal-traditional-customers.html
It seems JLR still have the rights to the Vanden Plas name in the US but haven't used it since 2008. For the rest of the world the rights to the name are held by Chinese Govt owned car maker SAIC.
 
Another cancelled Jag. The 'J-Pace' that would have been its largest SUV, a sibling to the Range Rover.

 

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Another cancelled Jag. The 'J-Pace' that would have been its largest SUV, a sibling to the Range Rover.

If I wanted a British made SUV, I'd buy a Range Rover. I'd need to find one with a higher beltline than the 1990s version a friend had, though. I felt freaking naked with the bottom of the windows just above the seat level...
 
An observation on congruence in graphic design ideas.
 

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For whatever reason, Jaguar the Jaguar brand has lost a lot of value over the years. I've been thinking of buying a third gen XJ for quite a while, but I didn't because I allready have enough cars. A friend offered me the opportunity to purchase a Japan import Jag (12 cylinder, fully equiped less than 50.000 km) for 10.000 €! I have to admit, that happend a couple of years ago, but still a very low price for such car compared to it's competitioners. Every ugly Volvo or boring Audi costs much more!

With that rebranding, the classic Jaguars might become cheaper in future, I might reconcider my plans...
 
One problem for JLR as a Group is that in the luxury SUV market it is competing not only with other brands but with itself around the same price points. Jaguar v Land Rover / Range Rover. E-Pace v Evoque / Discovery Sport, F-Pace v Range Rover Sport. Two sets of development costs even if money can be saved via platform sharing. The two brands are just too close to each other.

While VW have multiple brands in the sector sharing platforms the differentiating factor seems to be price point. For example the following all use the MLB/ MLB EVO platform, but from least to most expensive broadly we have:-

VW Touareg
Audi Q7 & Q8
Porsche Cayenne
Bentley Bentayga
Lamborghini Urus

AIUI the Land Rover side of the business has also been encountering problems since the advent of the new generation Defender in 2020, with a range that has expanded. Trendy customers are shifting to that and away from the Velar & Range Rover.

But the whole JLR customer support organisation, at least here in the UK, has been getting some bad press lately over the length of time customer cars have been off the road for due to delays in getting spare parts. The halo Range Rover Sport SV launched late last year and delivered from Feb 2024 costing c£180k has been experiencing some significant mechanical faults.

My neighbours have had an E-Pace for the last couple of years having had a Volvo XC60 that developed mechanical issues thinking the Jaguar would be better. Turns out not to be the case.

None of that does the company's reputation any good.
 
One problem for JLR as a Group is that in the luxury SUV market it is competing not only with other brands but with itself around the same price points.
Which won't be helped by their recent decision to move to a four-brand model: Jaguar, Defender, Discovery and Range Rover.

All of which are selling, err... luxury SUVs.

Time was when it was clear: Jaguars were luxury and sports cars, Range Rovers were luxury off-road SUVs, Discovery was a family off-road SUV, and Defender was a working 4x4.

Though it should be said that the Discovery was introduced to fill a niche created by the Range Rover moving upmarket, so I guess history does rhyme.
 
A proper resto-mod.


They really should be looking towards stylish design again rather than something a five year old could knock out with crayons. Sadly that is almost a universal these days. Something to do with this topic about banana art?


The bleep news had a so called art expert extolling the value of 'that' and explaining that we will ALL be talking about it in one hundred years, like we will be Constable etc.

I blame the lack of mental wealth facilities, pretty sure the expert would do better with comfortable wallpaper.
 
Sadly that is almost a universal these days. Something to do with this topic about banana art?


The bleep news had a so called art expert extolling the value of 'that' and explaining that we will ALL be talking about it in one hundred years, like we will be Constable etc.

I blame the lack of mental wealth facilities, pretty sure the expert would do better with comfortable wallpaper.
Thinking about the TV programme in the UK "Fake or Fortune", when he comes to sell it what is its provenance? Can't claim it is "an original"!

It's like Trigger's broom from Only Fools & Horses. X number of new bananas and Y number of pieces of duct tape since bought!

Ah well. You know the saying. A fool and his money are easily parted.
 
As someone who has been in and out of Gaydon in various capacities since 2010, let me give you my insider's view of what went wrong with the Jaguar brand.

in 2010 when I first joined, X250 (XF) had not long been launched, and X351 (final XJ) was launching. This was in the immediate aftermath of the sale from Ford to Tata. At the time there was a huge push to improve brand awareness and more importantly, quality. This was largely successful, since Jaguar was near the top of the JD Power survey for the next couple of years.

Development of F-Type was ongoing at this point, and due to the budget issues with the company nearly folding, development suffered and massive compromises had to be made in order to deliver a smaller 2-seat sibling to XK. F-Type was essentially a cut and shut XK with compromised dynamics as a result. Plus the cheap V6 concept that was a V8, but a V6, but actually a V8. Quality was eroded during this time, but, brand awareness and marketing meant OK-ish sales of F-Type.

Cue Dr. Ralf Speth joining the company and his grand designs to grow JLR into a competitor to the German OEMs. A grand idea, with lots of potential, but poor implementation due to poor support withing the Boardroom for Jaguar. At this point you have to remember that Jaguar and Land Rover had been thrust together under Fords PAG, so there was still a lot of rivalry between relics from Rover and people from "The Jag". Unfortunately, the Board consisted of many of the aforementioned relics, and even Dr. Speth was not supposedly overenthused by Jaguar. Hence the brand was suffering from lack of love from the top brass.

Now we come to the continued growth and revival of Jaguar. D7a platform was envisioned as a modular architecture for medium-sized vehicles (C,D & E segment really). Hence X760 (XE), X260 (new XF), X761 (F-Pace) plus some Land Rovers and Tata products. There were also a couple of plans for X764 (XE coupe/convertible) and a couple others I can't remember. At this point all the focus was on getting the products developed, at a cost, en mass, on time. The previous focus on quality went out the door. This combined with another cringey launch (XE - horrible), poor interior material quality choices, a confusing model naming convention (R-Dynamic, Portfolio etc), lack of Driver focussed options for a "Sports Saloon" (manual transmission, LSD, etc) meant the products were sub-par compared to Ze Germans. Finally, and most crucially, the finance deals were extremely uncompetitive compared to other OEMs. A friend who worked at Ascot JLR selling Jags told me he was 25% more expensive per month for a Lease XE compared to the equivalent BMW 3 series.

So XE was poor quality, cramped inside, lacking in exciting features, and critically had no halo model, no M3 or RS4. And people were asking in the dealerships for them, JLR just didn't listen ("there's no business case" being a consistent excuse at Gaydon)

X260 (XF replacement) is a great car to drive, spacious and comfortable. But the launch was invisible. Most people didn't even know there was a new XF. And then again, the same issues (mostly) as XE; odd models, no Halo variant, fairly bland colour palatte.

X761 was marketed brilliantly, and sold well (for Jag), but suffered from the same quality oversight.

X590 (I-Pace) had all the backing you could want within the business in order to be first to market with an EV (against Audi, Porsche etc). Which it achieved. But then they did nothing. No follow up models, no additional body variants (top-hatting is relatively cheap once a platform is understood), no EV variants of other D7a models (unlike Audi who mastered this idea).

On all of the above, build quality, component quality, reliability of Infotainment (shockingly bad), NVH etc were all lacking due to lack of rigour by the Board in ensuring Engineering robustness. Instead it was "get it done, get it out the door, we have gateways to hit". And to this day, gateways at JLR are just a whistling noise you hear as you sail through them with issues Trackers turned green for one day, with the hope of resolution at a later date.

So in a nutshell, if the above had been bought into properly by the board, had rigorous leadership and focus on quality, an understanding of the target customer, the right features on a given vehicle model, model naming that was understood (was the hell is Portfolio anyway?!), a financial package that was competitive, and product launches that were exciting, consistent and advertised properly, then I think the products would have spoken for themselves. And last but not least, Dealer Service that was on top of its game. The Tech's I have had to deal with at the Dealers sometimes shock me. There are some who are genuinely brilliant, but some of them clearly struggle to spell their own names.
 
according to a colleague still at JLR, this is the panic response by the Board, to try to quell some of the criticism. Expect more over the coming days
 
So the advert was not some 4D-chess marketing parody? They really meant it?
Apparently so. If they were trying to wind everyone one up then they've hoodwinked plenty of employees too. Supposedly, much worse comments and messages have been circulating internally then those posted by the rest of the world online. It seems the backlash within the business is even more emotionally charged than what's online, and for obvious reasons. I mean, I'm not even an employee and I think people at the top should be resigning over this. Probably someone quite short and poncey if you follow me.
 
Apparently so. If they were trying to wind everyone one up then they've hoodwinked plenty of employees too. Supposedly, much worse comments and messages have been circulating internally then those posted by the rest of the world online. It seems the backlash within the business is even more emotionally charged than what's online, and for obvious reasons. I mean, I'm not even an employee and I think people at the top should be resigning over this. Probably someone quite short and poncey if you follow me.
I did wonder if comments about 'zero equity' might encourage hubris. Nothing to lose, except many other people's jobs.

It will be very sad if this is the end of Jaguar. XK8 was the last car that really wore the name well IMHO.
 

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