Italian Little Known Light Aircraft

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a three little known light aircraft from Italy,the first called
Bottini M.B.2,the second aircraft from Mr. Crisanti and the third
was Fongri - De Grignani,does anyone one know more,but must
be a little known ?.

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[ermeio]

Some years ago I saw another photo of the fongri in the italian army museum "la cecchignola"
A third photo shows the fongri along the giant CA 90

 

[hesham]

Some years ago I saw another photo of the fongri in the italian army museum "la cecchignola"
A third photo shows the fongri along the giant CA 90

Hi Ermeio,


do you know anther Italian little known light aircraft,not famous of course ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


from Italian Aeronautical 1922,here is a Magni project of 1919 from a patent.

 

[ermeio]

I've seen your request today
Piero Magni was wounded during WW1 and after the war he designed various aircraft.
The patent is for a monoplane with the wings sustained and anchored only with one stub for half-wing and with an aerodynamical cover (later NACA) that was intended to cool the engine through the airflow. The supporting struts also worked as an airbrake.
A reduced scale model of the monoplane was put on show during the 1919 Salon in Paris (the one in your photo) and it was built in 1923 by the Magni Aeronautical Construction lab in Meda, after being tested as a model in the Eiffel Labs and later on in the testing facilities in Turin (this latter airtunnel and laboratory is still there at the politechnic institute)
I have found another photo, just let me scan it and I will publish it.
By the way, do you have a better scan of the 3-view of this aircraft? (a plan scan, not the deformed one and possibly with a better resolution )

 

[hesham]

Many thanks Ermeio,


and I will wait.

 

[ermeio]

Well, not much to wait:

Now I wait for a better three view or if you know, the title of the Book in order to have a better view of it.

 

[hesham]

Excellent work Ermeio,many thanks.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a Beltrame Colibri tail-first canard light aircraft of 1938,from Jane's All
the World's Aircraft 1938.

 

[ermeio]

i have been lucky enough to buy this 3view from the late Carlo Godel

 

[hesham]

Nice find Ermeio.

 

[Kdmoo]

Another photo of the Fongri I had in my archives.

 

[hesham]

Another photo of the Fongri I had in my archives.

Nice find Kdmoo.

 

[sienar]

Quite a few pics here - http://www.avia-it.com/act/cera_una_volta/Aerei_nei_cieli/avianew_cera_una_volta_Aerei_182_Fongri_DeGrignani.asp

 

[ermeio]

Here is another photo of the FONGRI
I'm sorry for the low quality of this picture, but I had to take this picture from an old postcard in the personal colelction of a friend of mine.
er me

 

[hesham]

Cool,thank you Ermeio.

 

[cluttonfred]

That Fongri - De Grignani is very cute, like a strutless Comper Swift, thanks for sharing.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

what was this ?

http://www.avia-it.com/act/la_tecnica/la_tecnica_di_ieri/Tecnica_ieri_2012/Ricordi_Idroaviazione.pdf

 

[Apophenia]

what was this ?

Paraphrasing, a 1912 study for a blended wing/body/float of semi-monocoque structure. The covering of the wings, fuselage, and float consisted of thin layers of wood separated by fabric and riveted together.* The framework of the wings were metal.

Work began on the fuselage, but then the order was given to suspend work.

It's not completely clear to me who was responsible for this concept (perhaps an Italian-speaking forum member can help?). It may be that this semi-monocoque monoplane study was work performed under Commandante Ginocchio at the Arsenale di Venezia.

* Sounding very much like S.E. Saunders' 1898 patent for 'Compound Lumber' or Consuta construction - which had four plys of mahogany veneer interleaved with calico (canvas soaked in linseed oil). However, as the name suggests, Consuta was stitched together (with copper wire) rather than fastened with rivets. Perhaps the Italians were looking for a way around Sam Saunders' earlier patent?

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Apophenia.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a two Itailian airplanes,one for Cabinaire biplane of 1929,and a Cadelli twin
boom monoplane,the later maybe remained a Project.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Aeronautica/L'Aeronautica%201930%2009.pdf

 

[hesham]

What was that Magni Model ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Alata/Alata%201949%2005.pdf

 

[Maveric]

Hi,

here is a two Itailian airplanes,one for Cabinaire biplane of 1929,and a Cadelli twin
boom monoplane,the later maybe remained a Project.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Aeronautica/L'Aeronautica%201930%2009.pdf

The Cabinaire was NOT an italian Projects as you said. The airplane was a real US aircraft built by Paramount.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a little known civil biplane,designed by Cristofoli;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201923%2008.pdf

 

[hesham]

from Italian Aeronautical 1922,here is a Magni project of 1919 from a patent.

Anther drawings to Magni Airplane of 1919;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201924%2007.pdf

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is unusual seaplane Project,maybe a racer,designed by Montuelli Alexander ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201929%20012.pdf

 

[Apophenia]

here is unusual seaplane Project,maybe a racer,designed by Montuelli Alexander ?.

Yes, 'idrocorsa' looks like 'water course' but actually means racing seaplane. This is a model of a design by sig. Montuelli Alessandro of Castel Maggiore.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Apophenia,

and here is a strange concepts for a designer,maybe called Crocco,
the lower two,I don't know if they was a airplanes or not ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201930%2001.pdf

 

[hesham]

here is a three little known light aircraft from Italy,the first called Bottini M.B.2,the second
aircraft from Mr. Crisanti and the third was Fongri - De Grignani,does anyone one know
more,but must be a little known ?.

For Mr. Crisanti,was this a developed version ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201931%2002.pdf

 

[hesham]

Hi,

a strange triplane from Tommasi Sarri;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201933%2006.pdf

 

[hesham]

A 3-view to CNA.15 and CNA.25.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201935%20010.pdf

 

[ermeio]

I have found two more pictures of very light italian aircraft
Both are conceived by Ferruccio Vignoli (as far as I know) and probably i had to post them in the thread about aerial bycicles, but i cannot find it...

 

[hesham]

Nice find Ermeio,many thanks.

 

[hesham]

Here is the OSA-135;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201940%2002.pdf

http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/Osa135.html

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I can't ID the designer of this Italian monoplane,it was called C.F.1 ?.

L'Air 1927

 

[dan_inbox]

The designer was Mr Emanuele Cambilargiu. (there is a typo in the French paper's transcription of his name)
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuele_Cambilargiu

The plane is the Cambilargiu-Folz CF-1. Amedeo Folz financed their venture "azienda Costruzioni Aeronautiche Italiane", which designed the CF-1 and CF-2.

 

[hesham]

Many thanks to you my dear Dan,

and I search for early series to this designer.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a seaplane designed by Somalvico;

http://historylink101.com/bw/e_plane/early/slides/IMG_6979_e2a.html
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57702&page=2

 

[ermeio]

Some photos and a description of the Somalvico are in an old Aerofan issue
I do not remember which one and I don't have it at hand now

 

[hesham]

Some photos and a description of the Somalvico are in an old Aerofan issue
I do not remember which one and I don't have it at hand now

It's Aerofan 4/1983.