hagaricus
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JFC Fuller said:Spudman,
They are the same avionics I identified, I am still working on ... the lower panel by the pilots knee.
That's the pilot's iPad
JFC Fuller said:Spudman,
They are the same avionics I identified, I am still working on ... the lower panel by the pilots knee.
Abraham Gubler said:chuck4 said:The first thing they should do is to design and build a 4th generation fighter.
Easier said than done. Iran’s big problem is they can’t build fighter engines. If they could build something like the RD-33 or WS-19 or even a J79 clone they could turn their reverse engineered F-5 production line into turning out knock off F-20s and they would have a respectable domestic day fighter. But they are limited to producing J85 copies which means trying to build a 21st century SABA (small agile battlefield aircraft) like this Qaher-313.
kcran567 said:This is a most bizarre public relations stunt. Maybe there is an agenda to it. If US or Israeli bombs ever fall on Tehran people may actually feel sorry for Iran because they were defenseless and harmless. All they could do is feebly roll out a giant plastic GI Joe toy fighter plane with an overgrown hunched over Iranian pilot to crouch in. Defenseless as mighty US jets and bombs pound Iran back into the stone age.
Maybe there is a real version somewhere that is still under wraps.
kcran567 said:That's a good idea. They should be building an F-5/20 class derivative with a bigger wing, divertless inlets and canted tails, maybe some forebody chines and a small aesa radar. Then they would have a stealthier fighter that was more realistic in its ambitions.
kaiserbill said:Surely?
Or am I giving too much credit here?
Abraham Gubler said:kaiserbill said:Surely?
Or am I giving too much credit here?
I think it’s a prop for a movie about a group of Iranian intelligence agents who pretend to be a Turkish aerospace company in order to get past US passport control and into Los Angeles so they can finally suicide bomb Salman Rushdie. The name of the film is “Qaher” and it stars and is directed by the Iranian Ben Affleck.
Abraham Gubler said:But instead they have a thing that looks like something that would place outside the top 10 in an AIAA undergraduate student design competition.
antigravite said:I'm not sure those RC models pictures were posted here. So here they are…
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hesham said:Do you know,what they said here;
The Qaher 313 fighter; has modern electronic systems and able to fly at low levels,
and avoid the radar.
;Dantigravite said:I'm not sure those RC models pictures were posted here. So here they are…
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Jemiba said:hesham said:Do you know,what they said here;
The Qaher 313 fighter; has modern electronic systems and able to fly at low levels,
and avoid the radar.
All correct with regards to
;Dantigravite said:I'm not sure those RC models pictures were posted here. So here they are…
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Deino said:Quite an interesting analysis:
http://aviationintel.com/2013/02/06/my-message-to-the-west-concerning-irans-f-313-fighter-arrogance-can-get-you-killed/
+ a painting found in a Chinese forum of a proposed larger serial version !
Deino
Personally, I think the leadership is genuinely that dumb/ignorant.Deino said:Quite an interesting analysis:
http://aviationintel.com/2013/02/06/my-message-to-the-west-concerning-irans-f-313-fighter-arrogance-can-get-you-killed/
+ a painting found in a Chinese forum of a proposed larger serial version !
Deino
Deino said:Quite an interesting analysis:
http://aviationintel.com/2013/02/06/my-message-to-the-west-concerning-irans-f-313-fighter-arrogance-can-get-you-killed/
+ a painting found in a Chinese forum of a proposed larger serial version !
Deino
Not really these days. North Korea was able to mange it with even fewer resources.chuck4 said:Building a functioning nuclear device requires impressive project management skills and a substantial pool of highly skilled professional talents. Building a deliverable nuclear warhead requires even more of both.
2IDSGT said:Not really these days. North Korea was able to mange it with even fewer resources.chuck4 said:Building a functioning nuclear device requires impressive project management skills and a substantial pool of highly skilled professional talents. Building a deliverable nuclear warhead requires even more of both.
Deino said:Quite an interesting analysis:
http://aviationintel.com/2013/02/06/my-message-to-the-west-concerning-irans-f-313-fighter-arrogance-can-get-you-killed/
+ a painting found in a Chinese forum of a proposed larger serial version !
Deino
kaiserbill said:Whilst I haven't read past the first few paragraphs yet, at least he is thinking out the box, and attempting to figure out what is going on here. So I'll read it entirely later...
Nobody seems to have noticed what I posted earlier in the thread:
Why have such clear photos, from very close up, been published of what is obviously a fake/non-operational/non-full-scale/very cheap/ basic mockup type been out there from the word go?
Other Iranian projects have not gone this route....
That is an important question, IMHO.
Uh... remember the S-300 dumptruck with the oil cans et al? This is far from their first sad attempt at intimidation. I always enjoy the way every guided weapon they *demonstrate* is called a "cruise missile." Here's the best link for keeping up with Iranian bluster. http://english.farsnews.com/NewsV.php?srv=18 Always good for a laugh.kaiserbill said:Whilst I haven't read past the first few paragraphs yet, at least he is thinking out the box, and attempting to figure out what is going on here. So I'll read it entirely later...
Nobody seems to have noticed what I posted earlier in the thread:
Why have such clear photos, from very close up, been published of what is obviously a fake/non-operational/non-full-scale/very cheap/ basic mockup type been out there from the word go?
Other Iranian projects have not gone this route....
In that case, why didn't they call it an "SABA mockup" instead of a "unique and peerless... fighter jet"? Maybe there's a problem in the translation. How does one say "we are ignorant douchebags" in Farsi?Abraham Gubler said:I think you guys are severally misunderstanding the universal media-political cycle. Qaher-313 is clearly an early pre-prototype stage development project for what would have been called in the 1980s a small agile battlefield aircraft (SABA).
2IDSGT said:In that case, why didn't they call it an "SABA mockup" instead of a "unique and peerless... fighter jet"? Maybe there's a problem in the translation. How does one say "we are ignorant douchebags" in Farsi?
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107141080 ;DAbraham Gubler said:2IDSGT said:In that case, why didn't they call it an "SABA mockup" instead of a "unique and peerless... fighter jet"? Maybe there's a problem in the translation. How does one say "we are ignorant douchebags" in Farsi?
The other sentances, that you didn't quote, from my post explain that.
2IDSGT said:http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107141080Abraham Gubler said:2IDSGT said:In that case, why didn't they call it an "SABA mockup" instead of a "unique and peerless... fighter jet"? Maybe there's a problem in the translation. How does one say "we are ignorant douchebags" in Farsi?
The other sentances, that you didn't quote, from my post explain that.
There is simply no way, with a moments pause for reflection, that this was going
to be pulled off.
Now, who that disinformation is aimed at is the big
guess.
Perhaps the local population?
Perhaps to the West, to
downplay another more realistic project?
Perhaps this is a crude mock-up of
something real, and is only roughly representative of this real
aircraft?
Perhaps to downplay real capabilities?
Perhaps to try and mask
the concept that the airforce isn't being funded, and that the budget goes to
ballistic missiles?
Maybe a combination of all of the above?
Who
knows.
The possibilities are endless.
This is what disinformation is, I
suppose.
It's not that hard to discern Iran's capabilities. The only things they have going for them are geography and oil politics. Their little SABA, mockup or not, isn't going to alter the situation much; and the same goes for most of their other *projects*. Mines and anti-ship missiles are what worry me; everything else they try just looks sad.kaiserbill said:2IDSGT, it is easy to keep mentioning various sites or examples of Iranian silliness, but why ignore their capabilities? Perhaps it is not useful to always wear the anti-Iranian cap so completely, and try and figure what is going on here.
2IDSGT said:It's not that hard to discern Iran's capabilities. The only things they have going for them are geography and oil politics. Their little SABA, mockup or not, isn't going to alter the situation much; and the same goes for most of their other *projects*. Mines and anti-ship missiles are what worry me; everything else they try just looks sad.
Iran Is Desperately Defending Its Non-Flying 'Stealth Jet'
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-desperately-to-defend-stealth-jet-non-flying-2013-2
On Feb. 4, a couple of days after the entire world highlighted the oddities of the first prototype of its Qaher 313 stealth fighter jet and the reasons why the F-313 will never get off the ground, the Iranian MEHR News Agency published an article to explain the aircraft’s top features. (Check out the video here)The F-313′s top 10 features piece addresses some of the doubts surrounding the Qaher and its ability to fly and are aimed to persuade skeptics that Tehran’s new aircraft is not only airworthy, but it is also “one of the most sophisticated fighter jet in the world,” as Ahmadinejad said.Here below you’ll find a long excerpt of the MEHR article:The top 10 technical characteristics of the F-313 fighter jet and some of the related data on its features and appearance:
1- Using Two inlets and inlet ducts make up the air induction system to deliver air to the engine. Due to an indirect angle of the engine to the air inlets, the radar reflectivity is reduced, and it makes angled design of inlet ducts to the surface to get radar energy wave, just like in F35.
2- The hot exhaust gas mixes with cold air through the inlet ducts, and gets cooler before it gets out of the exhaust system, to reduce heat effects on the surface of the aircraft.
3- Use of radar-absorbent materials in the body, to absorb wave energy and reduce radar reflection, for greater stealth effect of Qaher F-313 fighter.
4- Considering the estimated length and height of the aircraft is less than 16 and 4 meter, the two compartments with payload capacity of carrying two 2000 pound bombs, or greater number of smaller smart guided missiles, or at least 6 air-to-air missiles in the category of R-17 or PL-12.
5- Relatively large vertical tail surface has created favorable directional stability and with canted vertical tails create aerodynamic benefits as well specific appropriate lateral maneuvering capabilities.
6- The very large canopy gives a 360 degree visibility, which is essential for low altitude fly-by flights, especially helps ground mission attacks, and it is also very useful in close dog-fights.
7- The angled wings is perfect example of indigenous design for aircrafts, which gives a side profile like M, and similar to a W profile, is the best form to use in aircrafts.
8- Single-cycle landing gear is another proof that F-313 is a light weight aircraft, with minimum flying weight of 12 to 14 ton, and maximum flying weight of 20 ton.
9- There are 8 analog displays in the cockpit, which shows Multi-Function Display (MFD) technology has more room to improve in F-313, Qaher fighter jet.
10- Considering F-313 normal steering lever, the control systems, with the wing movable surfaces, rudder, and vertical stabilizer are hydraulics, and not fly-by-wire (FBW) system, since many today’s aircraft use “side-steering lever” control.
The advance computer designing software (CATIA) were used for designing F-313, and aerodynamic analysis methods such as computational fluid dynamics (CFD) also were used, with the help of numerical grid generation software (GAMBIT), flow analysis software (FLUENT) and other design computation software, which shows a complete scientific work in various areas of indigenous scientific and technology was used for F-313.
These 10 features don’t change what already written about this odd plane. I still believe it can’t fly as it is today.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-desperately-to-defend-stealth-jet-non-flying-2013-2#ixzz2KF9aSYaZ