Iranian Qaher-313 "indigenous fighter jet" and drone versions

This creates a real technology gap that we can't let stand.

Glad we preserved F-22 tooling.
Now they have done it, USAF has declassified our NGAD demonstrator, you know China will now mass-produce this advanced platform. We have to keep the lid on this critical technology. But I don't know what Iran is doing, they developed the 6th gen Cargo Fighter, by Hasbro!
 
That ship looks like a “quick sink” testing platform to me.
They have no chances to defend anyway, so they defend only by flag and the color of grey hull.

Arguably an outdated approach for them, but in 1989-2024 world it was OK for them.
 
This thread brings up fond (inverse) memories of the 1966 techno thriller novel "Tree Frog" by Martin Woodhouse - plus ça change...
 
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Well at least that Qaher thing got @BullpupRafale banned. Hopefully this will teach him some politness. Some people cannot help being rude (to use polite words). Good riddance, we don't want that kind of A-hole here.
 
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Lets say these things are real and it is not just for show. (Therefore ignoring the adhesive tapes and the “No Push” rudder hinges)
How would these drones make sense?
Obviously they would like to have a jet engine and some avionics under the cockpit replacement – making them too expensive for a suicide drone.
They focused on stealth, for me that means the need for an internal weapons bay. But having a weapons bay on this little drone would reduce the area for the internal tank quite significantly, am I wrong?

In conclusion, ideally we have a stealthy drone with limited range (and bound to a converted tanker) but wants to be operated in contested territory. What am I missing?
 


Can we come back to reality?? "Iran's aircraft carrier, Iran's stealth fighter!" .... come on, we do not need to post any random stupid click-bait YT-video that just too eagerly picked up this nonsense and claimed it to be real!

Yes, we saw some 60% UAVs on deck of a converted tanker, we saw some tiny RC-models taking off from it but this does not make this vessel and aircraft carrier nor these UAVs an operational UCAV!

Really? Are we in the Kindergarden?? :mad:
 
Can we come back to reality?? "Iran's aircraft carrier, Iran's stealth fighter!" .... come on, we do not need to post any random stupid click-bait YT-video that just too eagerly picked up this nonsense and claimed it to be real!

Yes, we saw some 60% UAVs on deck of a converted tanker, we saw some tiny RC-models taking off from it but this does not make this vessel and aircraft carrier nor these UAVs an operational UCAV!

Really? Are we in the Kindergarden?? :mad:
Can we stop attacking my posts at every chance? Please practice being respectful.
 
My most surprising aspect of this thread? That people still post nonsense and call it news, that and it's still going at all.

Perhaps, locked and clocked is the answer?
 
Can we come back to reality?? "Iran's aircraft carrier, Iran's stealth fighter!" .... come on, we do not need to post any random stupid click-bait YT-video that just too eagerly picked up this nonsense and claimed it to be real!

Yes, we saw some 60% UAVs on deck of a converted tanker, we saw some tiny RC-models taking off from it but this does not make this vessel and aircraft carrier nor these UAVs an operational UCAV!

Really? Are we in the Kindergarden?? :mad:
With all due respect we`ve seen footage of the ababil 3 both taking off and landing from the ship,the ababil 3 is a ucav and there is footage of it both carrying and launching weapons to back this up.
Whatever you may feel about the 60% scale Q-313 I think this ship certainly fits the definition of a carrier
You can see in this video of the ababil 3 both its tail hook and the arrestor system used to stop it on landing.
You know I honestly have to say reading your above post reminds me more than a little of the,well shall we say "bias" you displayed when it came to the first pics of the dprks global hawk HALE look a like and MALE MQ9 look a like.
 
The ababil-3 is indeed real and much more interesting than the Qaher 313 drone. A Ship hold full of those would be useful power projection, except it doesn't seem to have any defences.
 
Abadil-3 - newsworthy.

But.

I think the umpteenth presentation of something Qaher 313-like is getting a bit tiresome to the SPF denizens. It is slightly novel to see the shape flying, be it at 60%(?) scale. It has been twelve years since I first saw images of the thing.

I have seen other shapes in the air, without jumping to conclusions about the technical prowess of their makers, or military application of the hardware shown.
View: https://youtu.be/MTnnXhcmSgY?si=RxYPOcrUvYYNY3La
 
The ababil-3 is indeed real and much more interesting than the Qaher 313 drone. A Ship hold full of those would be useful power projection, except it doesn't seem to have any defences.
If Ababil is real, it's not apparent why qaher isn't. Iranian PR set kinda unrealistic propaganda bar for themselves, but if we set a realistic one, there isn't all that much.
If country can build succesful MALE and(separately) small jet engines, it most certainly can match them together. Iran designs, tests and flies in combat jet drones/aircraft, for quite a while.
 
Can we stop attacking my posts at every chance? Please practice being respectful.

Well, yes for sure but respect in terms of content most be earned and as such for you only in case you stop posting nonsense - and to claim the Q-313 is a fifth generation fighter or to post such stupid videos claiming the same is nothing but nonsense!
 
Well, yes for sure but respect in terms of content most be earned and as such for you only in case you stop posting nonsense - and to claim the Q-313 is a fifth generation fighter or to post such stupid videos claiming the same is nothing but nonsense!
The first time (the fake Chinese stealth bomber clip) was a mistake and I am sorry for that. The India thing (except for the E variant for the Felon) ended up being true, and with this current situation I simply posted a video I thought was interesting. I didn't do it to force any claim; I merely posted a video I found that gave some information. Believe me, I am very critical of Iran over the countries human rights record and supporting of more violent regimes, but I still wanted to post a video that was informative. Honestly, saying it is fifth gen as advertised is more neutral than trying to critique it. I think in the era of battling media outlets with different narratives I like to post things as they are presented by other countries. We can post things on this message board then debate that true authenticity in a way that isn't hurtful to anyone.
 
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Interestingly I`ve noticed that there appears to be some obvious differences between the 60% scale Q-313 UCAVs.
The one at the top of the picture has a very different nose profile compared to the other 2,which look to have been shortened with better blending of the canopy.The intake design also looks slightly different as well.
One of the most obvious is the difference in design of the landing gear struts and the repositioning of the front gear in the other 2 examples,one can see that the gear looks to be roughly positioned towards the back of the duct in front of the intake,whereas with the top example the gear looks to be positioned much closer to the front of the duct.
Perhaps the top one is the prototype with the other 2 examples being the pre-production models?.
 
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Interestingly I`ve noticed that there appears to be some obvious differences between the 60% scale Q-313 UCAVs.
The one at the top of the picture has a very different nose profile compared to the other 2,which look to have been shortened with better blending of the canopy.The intake design also looks slightly different as well.
One of the most obvious is the difference in design of the landing gear struts and the repositioning of the front gear in the other 2 examples,one can see that the gear looks to be roughly positioned towards the back of the duct in front of the intake,whereas with the top example the gear looks to be positioned much closer to the front of the duct.
Perhaps the top one is the prototype with the other 2 examples being the pre-production models?.
See my list of differences here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...hter-jet-and-drone-versions.18332/post-753937 Though I missed the shifted nose gear position.

The long-nose appears to have completely different landing gear, with a neater integrated tie-down point on the trailing link, while the other two resort to wrapping the tie-down strap around the leg. So which is newer?
 
See my list of differences here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...hter-jet-and-drone-versions.18332/post-753937 Though I missed the shifted nose gear position.

The long-nose appears to have completely different landing gear, with a neater integrated tie-down point on the trailing link, while the other two resort to wrapping the tie-down strap around the leg. So which is newer?
Excellent work with your list,I`m sorry I missed that but in all honesty for the most part I`ve avoided this topic as I was just expecting the usual bullshit and frankly I couldnt really be bothered wading through it,so I was pleasantly surprised with some of the content that I did find.
You make an excellent point with the tie down arrangement for the front mounted link,I missed that.
I`m still somewhat inclined to think that the two with the shorter noses are the pre production models if only because the long nose reminds me of the manned versions nose [somewhat] and it also had the forward facing link of the front gear.But who really knows?.
I guess we`ll just have to wait and see.I`m certainly looking forward to it.
 
As I understand it, the concept (carrier+drones) is then pretty much to be around choke-points and to close sea lines of communication temporarily.
And an internal weapons bay for the drone would not be necessary because of the low altitude flight path.(?)
 

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