Hypothetical and Fake Spacecraft

[hesham]

Hi,


we can send here a hypothetical and fake spacecraft,from recent or past,and of course not from
a real designs or will be a real designs.


From L+K 03/1971,a Russian hypothetical spacecraft.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is two fake spacecraft.

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

the top picture in the last post reminds me of the Liberator from Blake's Seven.

 

[archipeppe]

First image is clearly a heavily modified X-15....

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a hypothetical spacecraft,from that Russian book,(the cover).

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a group of fantasy spacecraft from many sources.

 

[covert_shores]

To all posted so far, beautiful illustrations, really capture the imagination. More please.

 

[hesham]

To all posted so far, beautiful illustrations, really capture the imagination. More please.

OK Covert.

 

[hesham]

Also;

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is anther hypothetical Russian space-rocket,a six-stage atomic cosmic rocket.


Missiles and Rocket February 1957.

 

[hesham]

And from Missiles and Rockets 1963.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


I think this was a purely hypothetical design,am I right ?.


https://archive.org/stream/missilesrockets1519unse#page/68/mode/2up

 

[GeorgeA]

No, those were early EMPIRE concepts.

 

[hesham]

No, those were early EMPIRE concepts.

Thank you George,


then we must transfer it into this topic,right;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5316.15.html

 

[hesham]

And from my dear Scott's site;

http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/?p=1742

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a fantasy space rocket transport Project,created by Mr. Tsiolkovsky.

http://nplit.ru/books/item/f00/s00/z0000054/st047.shtml

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a NASA fake spacecraft as I think.

 

[hesham]

Anther fake spacecraft.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://www.rgo-sib.ru/book/kniga/208.htm

 

[Michel Van]

Nice Illustrations

 

[hesham]

Nice Illustrations

Thank you my dear Michel.

 

[hesham]

From Космическая авиация - 1969.

 

[hesham]

From AW 1966.

 

[hesham]

From unknown source.

 

[hesham]

Another one.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

AL FELDSTEIN EC WEIRD SCIENCE-FANTASY ANNUAL #2 COMIC BOOK COVER RECREATION PAINTING., in Hake's Auctions's Auction Results Comic Art Gallery Room

Original Comic Art titled AL FELDSTEIN EC WEIRD SCIENCE-FANTASY ANNUAL #2 COMIC BOOK COVER RECREATION PAINTING., located in Hake's's Auction Results Comic Art Gallery (1470865)

www.comicartfans.com

 

[martinbayer]

From unknown source.

The second illustration is from "Rockets, Jets, Guided Missiles and Space Ships" by Jack Coggins and Fletcher Pratt.

 

[publiusr]

Coggins had several books on diving and undersea bases?

 

[Rhinocrates]

'Hypothetical' is fun and inspiring. 'Fake' is often criminal. I'm not sure if documenting the latter in its worst sense is the intent of this thread, but rather than start a new thread, here's a detailed exercise in caveat emptor. Individual points may be dated or wrong, but the preponderance of evidence is in favour of a guilty verdict.

I'm rather interested in the psychology of con artists - some are just unashamed frauds but some seem to start as dreamers who begin with 'fake it until you make it' in the almost sincere belief that they have a chance of making it and then devolve into pure grifters.

Commercial space, like on-demand vtol is full of start-ups, all on the spectrum from undercapitalised though poorly thought out to outright scams. Usually, if they don't start at the last, they start to drift there.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQrkknuuRs&ab_channel=CommonSenseSkeptic

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58MOlHrQDWw&ab_channel=CommonSenseSkeptic

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhEna5TMPGU&ab_channel=CommonSenseSkeptic

Bonus:

Wishful thinking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rhinocrates]

Anyway, an honest hypothetical design. Here are various representations of the Mars spaceship in Stephen Baxter's Voyage.

In Baxter's scenario, it's a chemical-driven ship based on Apollo technology after a failed attempt at the giant NERVA-based system we know from the 70s.

 

[publiusr]

That brings a tear to my eye.

Strange that we actually could have been on Mars already if we HADN’T invested in a tiled monstrosity—killing a perfectly serviceable HLLV. We’d never repeat that mistake…right?

Allow me to demonstrate the difference:

The *Hypothetical spacecraft* are the two in the middle here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508515796116549641

View: https://x.com/brickmack/status/1508515796116549641?lang=bg&mx=2

The *fake* is the one on the…far right

I had to take the shot—it was too easy.

 

[martinbayer]

I still hope to live to see the first human landing on Mars, and I regret to say that my best bet at this moment is on a lunatic named Musk.

 

[Byeman]

That brings a tear to my eye.

Strange that we actually could have been on Mars already if we HADN’T invested in a tiled monstrosity—killing a perfectly serviceable HLLV. We’d never repeat that mistake…right?

wrong.
A. Saturn V was too expensive to continue to use
b. We were never going to go to Mars, much less use the Saturn V to do it.
b2. Saturn V was on the outs before Shuttle came along
c. The choice was shuttle or nothing. There is nothing that says we would have gone to Mars if there was no Shuttle
d. The shuttle was not a monstrosity (that was Buran) and the shuttle did more good than the alternatives
e. Not saying that the shuttle couldn't have been designed better (smaller) and getting rid of all ELVs was good decision. There is some middle ground.

 

[Justo Miranda]

I still hope to live to see the first human landing on Mars, and I regret to say that my best bet at this moment is on a lunatic named Musk.

I've been waiting for that since 1973, but I don't think it's going to happen with today's technology. Mars is “old fashion”, as is Yeager's attempt to break an altitude record when Mercury astronauts were already training.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

https://flic.kr/p/7BvZ4u

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/4340068166/in/album-72157622001877023/

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Space Art

Original Space Art mostly from the 1950’s . Notable in this field is Ralph A Smith.

spitalfieldsmapman.com

 

[hesham]

From, Техника - молодежи 1953-08.

 

[Nik]

Um, is there any truth to the story that if NRO or similar [REDACTED] TLA had not insisted Shuttle *HAD* to have 'hold' big enough for their spy satellites' vast optics etc, the Shuttle would have had much lower wing-loading, easier thermal protection ??

And that the ensuing delays achieving big hold meant most such [REDACTED] loads eventually went to 'expendable' launcher, trapping Shuttle design in cul-de-sac ??

 

[Byeman]

Um, is there any truth to the story that if NRO or similar [REDACTED] TLA had not insisted Shuttle *HAD* to have 'hold' big enough for their spy satellites' vast optics etc, the Shuttle would have had much lower wing-loading, easier thermal protection ??

And that the ensuing delays achieving big hold meant most such [REDACTED] loads eventually went to 'expendable' launcher, trapping Shuttle design in cul-de-sac ??

TLA? What are you redacting?
Mass wasn't the reason for the TPS.

The DOD payloads left the shuttle after the Challenger accident

 

[hesham]

From, Техника - молодежи 1954-07