Holy Gemini !!

[Michel Van]

Regarding the Gemini / Saturn V Rescue Vehicle...Does anyone know if there was a spacecraft with a heat shield inside the fairing behind the Gemini that the rescued party would enter the atmosphere in? There was certainly not enough room in the Gemini for more than the two astronauts.

Cheers from Texas

The Proposal had stretch Gemini capsule, like Big G, after two men cockpit is compartment with pace for three Astronauts, then enlarged Heat shield

 

[SAustin16]

Michel,

Thank you very much for the answer and drawing. That Gemini Lander would make a fascinating desk model.

Landing a Gemini backwards on an "unprepared field" on the Moon would have taken a bold pilot. At least on the Apollo LM the pilots could look down.

Cheers from Texas

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

Carmelo's images on page one of this thread don't come up anymore. Well at least on my phone anyway.

 

[Michel Van]

Carmelo's images on page one of this thread don't come up anymore. Well at least on my phone anyway.

the problem the picture are uploaded at imageshack.us
somehow they lost those picture...

 

[SAustin16]

Hello All,

My favorite Giuseppe De Chiara Gemini "family tree" artwork is at the PDF link below. Guiseppe is one of my heroes for documenting so many spacecraft and aircraft so technically and artistically. Bravo Guiseppe!

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35340.0;attach=597348

Cheers from Texas

 

[archipeppe]

Thanks SAustin16 you're really kind...

Ciao
Giuseppe

Hello All,

My favorite Giuseppe De Chiara Gemini "family tree" artwork is at the PDF link below. Guiseppe is one of my heroes for documenting so many spacecraft and aircraft so technically and artistically. Bravo Guiseppe!

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35340.0;attach=597348

Cheers from Texas

 

[Archibald]

Time to clear the mess related to paraglider and all the other aerodynamic chutes: parasail, parafoil, sailwing...

PARAGLIDER
-semi-rigid, triangular wing. Was intensively tested for Gemini, 1961-64: NAA ultimately made it work, but too little, too late. Rogallo.

The Gemini paraglider development program was initiated in July 1961. Development continued through 1964 at which time the program was terminated. The program identified many problems. The system was heavy and required a large volume for stowage. Deployment was difficult and complex. Structural problems were encountered with the semi-rigid members. The wing was difficult to control and required a high degree of pilot proficiency to fly.

PARASAIL
-a semi-guided round chute, was the backup for Gemini land landings but abandonned, would need Soyuz like rockets for landing.

After these two: three more inventions: Rogallo's parawing, Jalbert's parafoil and Barish's sailwing.

All five concepts are detailed in the attached document: an excerpt from a 1300 page Hearing, courtesy of Google books.

 

[Michel Van]

I have question on Lunar Gemini

Instead the Original Beryllium shingles
They had to replace Single Face Corrugated ablation panels.

are more information on Material or any picture of those panels design ?

 

[MadRat]

Regarding the Gemini / Saturn V Rescue Vehicle...Does anyone know if there was a spacecraft with a heat shield inside the fairing behind the Gemini that the rescued party would enter the atmosphere in? There was certainly not enough room in the Gemini for more than the two astronauts.

Cheers from Texas

It is very small. They had one on display in Lincoln, NE when I was a teenager. Much bigger than Mercury. Might have been able to cram a third person in there. Maybe. It would have obviously required smaller astronauts in general, considering how short they were that is easier said then done. They didn't nickname them space jockeys for nuthing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/3ecdkm

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/3ecdkm/size_comparison_of_apollo_gemini_and_mercury_from/

Funny how they insisted Gemini to pronounced Jiminy.

 

[publiusr]

I've seen tiny lunar ascent vehicles... little more than chairs.

Anyone think to use that as a descent vehicle...then climb in a prepositioned Lunar Gemini for the trip up?

 

[Michel Van]

I found this Picture at Flickr
ca. 1963, McDonnell Aircraft Corp. photo no. D4C 15149
it from 1963 and show test at Mockup of Gemini Capsule.
unclear for EVA or Docking at MORL

source

https://flic.kr/p/2pGYwEZ

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/apollo4ever/53628587501/in/feed-146402711-1712112293-1-72157721713708526

 

[southwestforests]

unclear for EVA or Docking at MORL

Going by size of hatch opening it seems that wearing a life support pack was not expected to be part of the process.

 

[Michel Van]

Going by size of hatch opening it seems that wearing a life support pack was not expected to be part of the process.

That hole is around 80 cm ø
Early EVA were with umbilical connection to capsule life support systems, so no life support pack.
but i have no idea how there do transfer between Gemini to MORL over that Hatch in Space...

 

[publiusr]

Apollo was ugly but capable with that nose hatch.

The Johnson Sea Link had a divers' lock-out behind the self contained control sphere. Any similar ideas? Winged Gemini with a payload bay for EVAs behind?

 

[Michel Van]

any similar ideas? Winged Gemini with a payload bay for EVAs behind?

McDonnell Aircraft Corp. even build a hatch true heatshield for MOL
and tested it with Gemini 2 on MOL mockup flight OPS 0855 on 3 November 1966.

here application for MORL hatch

 

[Michel Van]

i found more info at NSF

There was 1963 USAF program called Military Orbital Development System in short: MODS
It feature a Space Station were two Gemini docked and crew transfer true that hatch into MODS
More here

The Space Review: A darker shade of blue: The unknown Air Force manned space program

and Picture from my archive

 

[Barrington Bond]

Wonder what the HOPE stands for on the sign?