Heckler & Koch G11

[HoHun]

Hi again,

I haven't seen detailed pictures of the 15-round sticks, but I imagine it might have been possible to load their rounds into a magazine in a similar manner as loading a bolt action rifle from a stripper clip.

Here's a clip showing how the ammunition sticks are used to reload a magazine:

View: https://youtu.be/n6JWCEmCgD8?t=49


There's indeed a certain similarity to stripper clips, though the magazine actually goes inside the stick to pick up the rounds.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

[357Mag]

Hi again,



Here's a clip showing how the ammunition sticks are used to reload a magazine:

View: https://youtu.be/n6JWCEmCgD8?t=49


There's indeed a certain similarity to stripper clips, though the magazine actually goes inside the stick to pick up the rounds.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

From what I've read, ammunition storage damage and ammunition handling damage were some detractors.

More impactfull.... were various in-use issues, like failure to feed, cycle, and/ or fire; due to a variety of factors.
These became of critical importance, when guns could not be operated ( or more specifically ) cleared by the operator.
The report I read said that some of these issues could not be successfully resolved, to support the gun's practical use in a military environment.

With regards,
357Mag

 

[HoHun]

Hi,

The report I read said that some of these issues could not be successfully resolved, to support the gun's practical use in a military environment.

What's the context of this report? As far as the Bundeswehr was concerned, the G11 seems to have successfully completed its trials and been formally cleared for adoption. That couldn't have happened if the weapon hadn't been proven beyond doubt to fulfill all applicable Bundeswehr requirements.

(And normally, the adminstrative apparatus of the Bundeswehr is infamous for overly restrictive requirements and excessive thoroughness.)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

[357Mag]

Hi,



What's the context of this report? As far as the Bundeswehr was concerned, the G11 seems to have successfully completed its trials and been formally cleared for adoption. That couldn't have happened if the weapon hadn't been proven beyond doubt to fulfill all applicable Bundeswehr requirements.

(And normally, the adminstrative apparatus of the Bundeswehr is infamous for overly restrictive requirements and excessive thoroughness.)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

HoHun -

Howdy!

The context would be that the caseless gun exhibited issues with operators being able to clear damaged, misfired, failed to fire ammo; et al.

Not all " stoppages " could be cleared in the field, with some weapons needing to be sent to a more specialized/ equipped facility

I'll try to find the report, which I read on the net.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[Scott Kenny]

What's the context of this report? As far as the Bundeswehr was concerned, the G11 seems to have successfully completed its trials and been formally cleared for adoption. That couldn't have happened if the weapon hadn't been proven beyond doubt to fulfill all applicable Bundeswehr requirements.

(And normally, the adminstrative apparatus of the Bundeswehr is infamous for overly restrictive requirements and excessive thoroughness.)

The German army has always been more accepting of "events that result in the weapon being sent back to a specially-trained armorer with specialty tools".

For example, you can't take a Kar98K out of the stock without a special tool for the cross-bolt in the stock. Or improvising something out of exceptionally pointy needle-nose pliers, like I did with a friend's rifle. Only an armorer was supposed to have the special spanner for that.

For the US, removing the metal bits from the stock was a standard soldier task.

In the case of my friend's rifle, he'd bought it surplus and we needed to give it a particularly thorough cleaning to get all the cosmoline out. (1.3TB rant about how much cosmoline sucks to remove deleted)