Hawker designation list

[gwiz]

The Advanced Projects Group grew out of HSA's bid for Concorde, then studied the possibilities for what might be flying twenty years down the road. Think their drawings were numbered APD-10xx (AP Drawing), but the projects were normally referred to as P.10xx. This was a completely separated series from the main Hawker numbering system. Project work tailed off from about 1971, after the death of Hugh Francis, and the Group morphed into the HQ Research Dept, overseeing all HSA research work.

 

[hesham]

My dear Ursrius,

the source for SP later series is the report ; BEYOND THE HARRIER - KINGSTON
V/STOL PROJECTS 1957-1988

and for APG.1000 & APG.1003;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2435.msg238681.html#msg238681

 

[ursrius]

for APG.1000 & APG.1003;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2435.msg238681.html#msg238681

Thanks Hesham for that link. The APD/APG question is thoroughly covered in that series of posts.

the source for SP later series is the report ; BEYOND THE HARRIER - KINGSTON
V/STOL PROJECTS 1957-1988

Hesham, thanks for reminding me about this SAE document. I do have it but had quite forgotten.

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Ursrius.

 

[ursrius]

Re: Hawker P.xxxx Project List

The P.1210, 1211 and 1215 were Brough projects, IIRC. They will also have Brough numbers in the P.160 range - I think P.1215 was also the P.163.

I will PM you the list of article illustrations.

Looking at Buttler's BSP-Fighters, it would appear that the use of two type numbers between Kingston and Brough for the same project only occurred in the Hawker Siddeley days. Once it became British Aerospace, this practice appears to have stopped. The P.163 and P.1215 were very different looking aircraft

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the main Hawker & Hawker Siddeley series from 1940 to 1978 were;

- P.1000 from 1940,raised up to P.1163,after that the prefix changed into HS,from HS.1170 up
to HS.1207

- P.122 after absorbing Blackburn in 1960,continued to P.161

- SP.63 also after purchased Blackburn in 1960,went on up to SP.90 (maybe)

- HS.131 up to HS.149,after taken over De Havilland in 1960,called Hatfield division

- HS.800 blew up to HS.837,after acquired Avro to became Manchester subsidiary

- HSA,APD & APG,all were the same,started from HSA.1000 and last known HSA.1023

For the last series,there was also the designation numbered 1034.

 

[hesham]

after SP.60 & SP.62 nothing was known,except in BAe age,there was SP.105,SP.110 and
later SP.113.

By the way,

the Hawker Hawk began its life as SP.117.

 

[KHambsch]

Re: Hawker P.xxxx Project List

In F.K.Mason "Hawker Aircraft since 1920", Putnam the P.1134 is descrbed as "
possibly to ER.180D",aimed at a speed of Mach 3 to 4, whereas in AirPictorial
4/99 the P.42 is said to bedesigned along ER.181T, aimed at speeds between
Mach 4 and 5. So I would think, the P.42 would have been the logical next
step, but not a direct contender.

Right, the English Electric P42 EAG4426
Propulsion a "Rolls Royce type C ramjet or turbo ramjet" Anyone have information on that engine?
Am unable to load image of the AC...the file is improperly reformatted. Will try something else.

 

[KHambsch]

Re: Hawker P.xxxx Project List

In F.K.Mason "Hawker Aircraft since 1920", Putnam the P.1134 is descrbed as "
possibly to ER.180D",aimed at a speed of Mach 3 to 4, whereas in AirPictorial
4/99 the P.42 is said to bedesigned along ER.181T, aimed at speeds between
Mach 4 and 5. So I would think, the P.42 would have been the logical next
step, but not a direct contender.

Right, the English Electric P42 EAG4426
Propulsion a "Rolls Royce type C ramjet or turbo ramjet" Anyone have information on that engine?
Am unable to load image of the AC...the file is improperly reformatted. Will try something else.

So it worked...found something that would load.
As mentioned above if anyone knows anything about a/the RR type C ramjet, I sure would like to get the info on it. Kevin

 

[steelpillow]

The P.1092 was a Saab Draken lookalike from 1951. Surprisingly little bigger considering it is an all-weather two-seater.
Photograph of a slightly-cropped photocopy from an unknown journal:

 

[steelpillow]

The P.1126 is listed in the original post as a "P.1126: subsonic VTOL strike aircraft; multi lift with two Bristol-Siddeley Orpheus. "
However this thread suggests strongly that it was intended to be supersonic.