Time to start cranking out those steam catapults again?On the future USS Ford-class carriers
You know the catapult is quite important. So I said what is this? Sir, this is our digital catapult system. He said well, we’re going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology]. I said you don’t use steam anymore for catapult? No sir. I said, "Ah, how is it working?" "Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn’t have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam’s going all over the place, there’s planes thrown in the air."
It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said–and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be–"Sir, we’re staying with digital." I said no you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.
While the EMALS—which is brand-new technology base on a powerful linear induction motor (analogies to railguns are spurious)—has had some teething issues in the past, the Navy has fixed the problems with the new catapults. Indeed, Gerald R. Ford was out at sea this April during builder’s trials, which included tests on the EMALS system. The Navy has scheduled test launching Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets at sea onboard the giant vessel this year.
The EMALS will soon be operational onboard the future USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), which is scheduled to be commissioned later this year. Moreover, the Navy has already started work on building EMALS catapults for follow-on vessels John F. Kennedy and Enterprise. The Ford-class design would have to be completely, extensively—not to mention expensively—redesigned to accommodate a steam catapult. Moreover, the Mk-13 steam catapults found onboard the Nimitz-class carriers are long out of production. Thus, the Navy would have to invest billions to develop a new steam catapult—especially if the president insists such a catapult utilize analog rather then digital technology.
Longer term, the EMALS and the Advanced Arresting Gear are necessary investments for the Navy. The carrier air wing of the future is likely to be more diverse in terms of aircraft sizes and the EMALS allows for much more precise control of launch weights. It should also significantly reduce the wear and tear on aircraft once the bugs are worked out.
The bottom line is that EMALS is the right technology for the future of the carrier.
Arjen said:Spotted in Time Magazine's interview with President Donald J Trump:
Time to start cranking out those steam catapults again?On the future USS Ford-class carriers
You know the catapult is quite important. So I said what is this? Sir, this is our digital catapult system. He said well, we’re going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology]. I said you don’t use steam anymore for catapult? No sir. I said, "Ah, how is it working?" "Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn’t have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam’s going all over the place, there’s planes thrown in the air."
It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said–and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be–"Sir, we’re staying with digital." I said no you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.
More here: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/trump-all-future-us-navy-carriers-will-use-goddamned-steam-20611
While the EMALS—which is brand-new technology base on a powerful linear induction motor (analogies to railguns are spurious)—has had some teething issues in the past, the Navy has fixed the problems with the new catapults. Indeed, Gerald R. Ford was out at sea this April during builder’s trials, which included tests on the EMALS system. The Navy has scheduled test launching Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets at sea onboard the giant vessel this year.
The EMALS will soon be operational onboard the future USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), which is scheduled to be commissioned later this year. Moreover, the Navy has already started work on building EMALS catapults for follow-on vessels John F. Kennedy and Enterprise. The Ford-class design would have to be completely, extensively—not to mention expensively—redesigned to accommodate a steam catapult. Moreover, the Mk-13 steam catapults found onboard the Nimitz-class carriers are long out of production. Thus, the Navy would have to invest billions to develop a new steam catapult—especially if the president insists such a catapult utilize analog rather then digital technology.
Longer term, the EMALS and the Advanced Arresting Gear are necessary investments for the Navy. The carrier air wing of the future is likely to be more diverse in terms of aircraft sizes and the EMALS allows for much more precise control of launch weights. It should also significantly reduce the wear and tear on aircraft once the bugs are worked out.
The bottom line is that EMALS is the right technology for the future of the carrier.
Oh, come on now.sferrin said:Arjen said:Spotted in Time Magazine's interview with President Donald J Trump:
Time to start cranking out those steam catapults again?On the future USS Ford-class carriers
You know the catapult is quite important. So I said what is this? Sir, this is our digital catapult system. He said well, we’re going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology]. I said you don’t use steam anymore for catapult? No sir. I said, "Ah, how is it working?" "Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn’t have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam’s going all over the place, there’s planes thrown in the air."
It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said–and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be–"Sir, we’re staying with digital." I said no you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.
More here: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/trump-all-future-us-navy-carriers-will-use-goddamned-steam-20611
While the EMALS—which is brand-new technology base on a powerful linear induction motor (analogies to railguns are spurious)—has had some teething issues in the past, the Navy has fixed the problems with the new catapults. Indeed, Gerald R. Ford was out at sea this April during builder’s trials, which included tests on the EMALS system. The Navy has scheduled test launching Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets at sea onboard the giant vessel this year.
The EMALS will soon be operational onboard the future USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), which is scheduled to be commissioned later this year. Moreover, the Navy has already started work on building EMALS catapults for follow-on vessels John F. Kennedy and Enterprise. The Ford-class design would have to be completely, extensively—not to mention expensively—redesigned to accommodate a steam catapult. Moreover, the Mk-13 steam catapults found onboard the Nimitz-class carriers are long out of production. Thus, the Navy would have to invest billions to develop a new steam catapult—especially if the president insists such a catapult utilize analog rather then digital technology.
Longer term, the EMALS and the Advanced Arresting Gear are necessary investments for the Navy. The carrier air wing of the future is likely to be more diverse in terms of aircraft sizes and the EMALS allows for much more precise control of launch weights. It should also significantly reduce the wear and tear on aircraft once the bugs are worked out.
The bottom line is that EMALS is the right technology for the future of the carrier.
Not sure why this is even getting coverage. Just Trump being Trump. As soon as anybody with half a clue brings him up to speed he'll be on the EMALS train, just like with the F-35.
Moose said:Oh, come on now.
Your lips to voter's ears.Arjen said:In the meantime, ignore what the man says. Check.
sferrin said:But because Trump said it it's news.
donnage99 said:sferrin said:But because Trump said it it's news.
He's the president of the most powerful nation in the history of mankind. His words should make news. If anything, for the principle of democracy.
And the media has turned everything to 11 so every utterance is analyzed in a hysterical "OMG no human being in the history of the world has ever said anything like this, its' Watergate, its' A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS".sferrin said:donnage99 said:sferrin said:But because Trump said it it's news.
He's the president of the most powerful nation in the history of mankind. His words should make news. If anything, for the principle of democracy.
I'm not saying a President's words shouldn't be listened to. I'm saying it's the only reason these particular words ARE being listened to. It won't change anything other than ruffling a lot of feathers (and maybe that was the ultimate intent - to once again serve notice that the President is watching).
bobbymike said:And the media has turned everything to 11 so every utterance is analyzed in a hysterical "OMG no human being in the history of the world has ever said anything like this, its' Watergate, its' A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS".sferrin said:donnage99 said:sferrin said:But because Trump said it it's news.
He's the president of the most powerful nation in the history of mankind. His words should make news. If anything, for the principle of democracy.
I'm not saying a President's words shouldn't be listened to. I'm saying it's the only reason these particular words ARE being listened to. It won't change anything other than ruffling a lot of feathers (and maybe that was the ultimate intent - to once again serve notice that the President is watching).
fredymac said:So another thread hijacking. Oh well.
Specific to Obama and quotes on military matters:
"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed."
(Obama lecturing Romney followed up by actual plans on cutting the number of aircraft carriers down to 8 or 9).
And about that:
"Defense News reported that, while no decisions had been made, the Pentagon is actively considering eliminating one of the eleven aircraft carriers the U.S. Navy currently fields as part of its 2015 fiscal year budget request. The report, which cited numerous unnamed sources “in the Pentagon, on Capitol Hill, [and] in the defense industry,” said that a carrier air wing could also be eliminated as part of the FY 2015 budget."
And
The new O-FRP (Optimized Fleet Response Plan) appears to be in keeping with one of the two strategic options U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the U.S. military had in absorbing defense cuts. Specifically, Hagel said that under option one, “we would trade away size for high-end capability … This strategic choice would result in a force that would be technologically dominant, but would be much smaller and able to go fewer places and do fewer things especially if crisis occurred at the same time in different regions of the world.” Under this plan, Hagel said the U.S. would reduce CSGs from 11 to eight or nine.
"Specifically re: this topic the media are not responsible for President Trumps ill informed (probably willfully ignorant) comments"
The media are distinctly responsible for how they treat a quote. They can either bury it when it suits their purpose (look up "corpse-man" or 57 states) or they can make it into a crisis. It reflects their internal bias. Until you prove you are capable of performing invasive telepathy from thousands of miles away, where do you get "willfully ignorant" without relying upon your personal politics?
"more likely he saw a Fox News story or read an "alt-right" media article and absorbed it without critical analysis and then parrots it to try to sound sound like he's knowledgeable and engaged with the detail."
Possible. My guess is that he talked to some crusty CPO during his visit to the Ford. As a real life builder (and not a politician), I would guess Trump has had numerous talks to site supervisors on various building projects and has an inherent bias to believing them.
"Any similar suggestions that any remotely recent US President had behaved in remotely a similar way (lets limit that to the context of military procurement to stay within the scope of this topic) similarly don't stand up to any rationale scrutiny."
If you start a fight, you can not proscribe the responses to fit your own needs. Moreover, you chose to inject "Oh no Fox News!" into your argument. As a general observation, you repeatedly invoke your projections of other people's motives into an attempt to discredit or delegitimize their arguments.
"It seems very very unlikely that the US Navy would seek to now return to traditional steam catapults and one doubts Trump will persue (or retain any interest in) this once he has been politely briefed by the US Navy"
Partially agree. I don't think he will lose interest but I would agree he will listen to opposing information.
The core of your argument is 100% political: Trump is unfit to be President. Got it. Trump isn't my ideal President but I have long given up belief in ideal men. Only those who can serve my greater interests and only as long as they continue to do so will receive my support (and this automatically means he will attract the very loathing we see from the usual people). I wish Trump had checked with project experts but I would rather deal with this kind of thing than a fait accompli cancellation of a major weapon system (eg, F-22) over the objections of service leadership.