General Dynamics Model 100 / Cold Pigeon / Sneaky Pete / HAVE KEY

Les Aspin said at the last supper, "though shalt gobble up thy neighbors". Hows that for a factor?
Absolutely true, but the Last Supper was in July 1993. The purchase of GD-FW by Lockheed was completed March 1993. Early consideration began in mid-1992.

Another factoid: Northrop was the initial suitor of GD-FW.
 
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That idea that HAVE KEY "threatened" the ATF (in 1983) is strange considering that HAVE KEY was the foundation of GD's ATF designs until mid 1985.

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While the SLO/Missileer concept was one of the early ATF configurations considered (Battlecruiser, Bushwacker, SCM/SDM and Missileer) it was also one of the ones most rapdily removed.
Again, this is not correct. GD developed three configurations in parallel until 1985. Conventional, all-wing, and "semi tailless". The all-wing configuration evolved from HAVE KEY.
If you examine the row of all-wing configurations in the graphic above, you'll see how the evolution of the initial SLO/Marshmallow candidate (which we believe had been flight demonstrated under Have Key) reflects GD's painful effort to improve fineness ratio and thus provide the ability to supercruise.

The Sneaky Pete/VX-11/Cold Pidgeon starting point has such a low fineness ratio that supercruise (flight above Mach 1 without an afterburner) is impossible. The USAF was not going to budge on the Mach 1.5 minimum supercruise requirement, even as they tightened RF signature requirements. GD's elegantly simple 'three banger' planform eventually becomes unrecognizible.

Takeaway: Sneaky Pete with an afterburner makes it supersonic capable. Sneaky Pete in level flight at max dry power would be limited to about Mach 0.95. You can't make Sneaky Pete supercruise.
 
[Dear LEG] This is also incorrect. The A-12 requirements dictated it carry self-defense AAMs and HARMs in most configurations. And in a "Fighter Escort" configuration it would carry 2 AIM-9 and 10 AIM-120. It was a "multirole" fighter. This is well documented in the very book you have been quoting.
Accuse me of piling on if you'd like...
Attached is the actual A-12A inboard profile drawing as of the start of the Full Scale Development contract.
Notice the weapon bays contain: (2) AIM-9L or -9M Sidewinders; (2) AGM-88B HARMs; and (2) AGM-84E SLAMs or -84D Harpoons. The main bays were also sized to each carry the ill-fated AGM-137 TSSAM along with (2) Sidewinders in the side bays for self-protection. I'm sure you could've shoe-horned in lots of AMRAAMS, especially the clipped-wing AIM-120C.
 

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In June, Keith Jackson was told the Have Key was considered a direct threat to the ATF Program.

Despite Jackson saying his team were 'stealth specialists' and the USAF saying Have Key was a threat to ATF which rapidly necked down to being both stealth AND supersonic.

Whether is sabotage of Grumman, Navy Strike or the A-6 specifically: 'Lehman is given The Word by Thayer, to begin looking at a 'new airplane' to replace the A-6. It is understood that 'New' means stealth. Lehman says 'Aye Aye Sir!' and begins to establish a Blue Ribbon commission, filled with naval and marine aviators to kill the proto A-12.

Lehman says, somewhere in the text, that _his view_ of the ATA was a special squadron, kept somewhere remote in the desert, training against threat complexes, then flown out to the boat, at need, as a pathfinder force. Where they could target for the MRASM or TASM or whatever.

The A-12's chief opponent in the Navy wanted it to be a pathfinder, even though, by his own consideration, it was only a 34 million dollar platform compared to the 28 million dollar A-6F that was his heart's true desire and so he could have afforded both. Because he didn't need more than about 50-100 'new' jets.

...it stands to reason that that company which put together a specific VLO engineering team at the very beginning of the 1980s, would be designing a VLO specific platform for the Navy. A flying wing with extremely short pitch couple and large float is not your first choice for a carrier landing airframe with high sink rates and the need for precision scatter control on a narrow angle deck.

Who does this? FOIA. The Family Of Intelligence Agencies. Trying to break into stealth.

Model 100 _did_ catch someone's attention as Jackson shopped it around. But it wasn't the uniformed service's eye. They were just a cover.

But not Bravery. Whose trigram is straight out of the Intel world.
Leg, I'd like to opine and speculate on a few of what I'm interpreting your questions/concerns are, and/or what your BS meter is detecting. Like I wrote above, understanding the behind-the-scenes drama of the Navy ATA and Air Force ATF programs has been a quest of mine for 30+ years. [I have no burning interest in the ATB history, but I've found Cashen's and Waaland's oral histories (Huntington Library) fit what I've picked up -- Ben Rich's, eh, not so much.]

For simplicity I'll use the term "dorito chip" to apply to any of the GD designs (Model 100/Sneaky Pete/VX-11/Cold Pidgeon/ATA/A-12A) with the characteristic shape of an isosceles triangle and a 46-deg leading edge sweep. The dorito chip may or may not have an afterburner, depending on the application. So, in no particular order....

**Did Keith Jackson and GD promote the dorito chip with afterburner as a supersonic-capable ATF candidate?
An unqualified yes, and very aggressively to boot. However, a dorito chip with or without an afterburner was not considered a compliant alternative from the vantage point of the ATF requirement officers and acquisition folks, primarily due to its inability to supercruise, and its inability to perform the supersonic turn (in dry power) fundamental to "first look, first shot, first kill". I'll add that an afterburning dorito chip has impressive transonic maneuver performance, which were requirements in both AF ATF and Navy VFMX.


**Why did USAF view the GD dorito chip as a threat to ATF?
Well, the USAF is not a monolith. Lots of pieces and fifedoms. The point I want to emphasize is that only a flight-demo'd dorito chip would have given GD the opportunity to sell their wares and cause disruption. A dorito chip that was merely a paper drawing in a Powerpoint briefing would not open-up avenues that bypass the DoD mainstream of requirements generation and system acquisition.

**Why was Have Key (presumably 1976-1983) considered a threat to ATF?
It was a "confusion grenade". As quellish has often pointed out, the ASD shop working Have Key was not aware of the DARPA/USAF activities under Have Blue and Tacit Blue. No reason to kill Have Key until it reaches a natural end-state, i.e. a flight demonstration. By 1982 or so, those not privvy to ATF special access activities, in the Pentagon and in Congress, may start asking questions like "why isn't ATF embracing Have Key technology maturation efforts".
I describe Have Key as more of a P.I.T.A. than a threat, from the P.O.V. of Air Force leadership.

**Who then viewed the GD dorito chip as a genuine threat to the ATF program?
Primarily the ATF SPO prior to Milestone II approval in 1991, fearing that further delays caused by OSD and/or Congress wanting to re-plow old ground -- after all, the ATF pre-development phase had already gone on for 10 years.

But I strongly suspect that GD-FW did not stop their business development push with the July 1991 EMD contract award, even though GD-FW was a teammate of Lockheed and Boeing. I know that F-22 leadership (SPO and Lockheed) had significant concerns about GD's commitment to the F-22 program in 1992. I know that the SPO, Lockheed and Boeing were beginning to make contingency plans if the EXCOM (L and B CEOs plus AF CoS) gave the go-ahead to kick GD off the team. Why??? I can only attribute these activities to a relentless and unending push by GD to offer an F-22 alternative.... my guess is GD was selling a mix of F-16 derivatives (F-16XL variants) with an afterburning dorito chip, and advertizing it as a much more cost effective, multi-mission force than the air-to-air dedicated F-22A.

**Re ATA, what were Lehman's motives and priorities?
First and foremost, Lehman wanted to protect USN deep strike capability. He initially went the A-6F route (btw, it carried a couple of Sidewinders, just like ATA required a bit later). My guess at the time was that, as SECNAV, he got an opportunity to learn of Senior Trend and Senior Ice/Cejay, and when he saw the emerging F-117 and B-2 he shouted "I want that on my carriers ASAP."
In my mind, Lehman desperately wanted to meet or beat the B-2 to IOC. Why? Because, back then, the Air Force was trying to convince Congress that a large fleet of ATB’s could hold the same Soviet targets at risk as a dozen Carrier Battle Groups, but for a lot less money. [I believe there’s a lot of truth in that today - - > more B-21s and less Carrier Strike Groups].
So I don't subscribe to the narrative that OSD (Thayer, et al) rammed ATA down Lehman's throat. But Lehman, as sophisticated a politico as the come (he did staff for Kissinger after all), had already put the wheels in motion for the A-6F, and knew he didn't have the budget to do both A-6F and ATA -- so he was in a pickle. And as any good politician would do, when ATA/A-12 went south, he put out the word that he was always wanted an A-6F and was not in hurry to go the next step to stealth, better to wait till the USAF works out the technological bugs...

**Was ATA an opportunity to put Grumman out of business?
Grumman put itself out of business. I could devote an entire thread to that topic, but I won't.
Back to ATA, Lehman personally visited Grumman-Bethpage on July 6, 1984, on his way to a belated July 4th weekend at Martha's Vineyard. The Stephenson book and the Skurla/Gregory book chronicle that watershed moment. I would add to those published accounts, that Lehman's sole purpose for visiting Grumman that day was to tell them directly "I want you to fly west and talk to Northrop" [my source: one of the folks in the SCIF conference room -- attendees: Lehman, Skurla, 3 or 4 VPs, and 2 younger guys being groomed for VP].
By all accounts, Lehman was very fond of Grumman. In the SCIF, he told them, in so many words, that they missed the stealth boat, but I need you to put a tailhook on a mini-B-2.
As far as I can gather, Grumman was the next place he personally visited after going to LA to see Northrop and Lockheed. There's no indication that he visitied GD-Fort Worth or McAir-St Louis, but we know from Stevenson that he sent Paisley to talk to McAir later in September.
ATA was Northrop and Grumman's program if they wanted it -- the public record and various post-mortems explain that the fixed-price contract with an inadequate Navy budget wedge, along with the idea of competitive production, was enough for N-G to later say "no thanks", which is not much different than what Lockheed's initial reading was in mid-1984.
Finally, the idea of a silver bullet force of ATAs out in the desert, is contradicted by the Navy's plan from the start to compete production between teammates. This special squadron talk is just Lehman's spin after A-12 collapsed.

**Why did GD stand-up an LO engineering team around 1980?
Simple -- to design and build a technology flight demonstrator. My guess is that the likely-but-unconfirmed Have Key aircraft was subscale, non-afterburning, and just 'shaped' for low RCS, intended to demonstrate tailless aircraft control, maneuverability, and to validate the predicted drag and inlet/nozzle performance. I'd bet that there also was a large-scale or full-scale pole model, either tested at RATSCAT or GD's Fort Worth facility. [not to get into stealth levels, but the 'noise' and pylon construction at RATSCAT or GD's facility must be compatible with the target's expected return].

**Did the spooks have an interest in the dorito chip?
Well, this reminds me of my relative who believes that the airliner flying overhead is spewing out 'chem trails'.
The CIA has long history of going direct to the prime contractors. As quellish has often pointed out, Quartz was underway before ATA began. Much before that, Kelly Johnson's Gusto II design was his attempt at 'SLO'.
 
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**Why did GD stand-up an LO engineering team around 1980?
Simple -- to design and build a technology flight demonstrator. My guess is that the likely-but-unconfirmed Have Key aircraft was subscale, non-afterburning, and just 'shaped' for low RCS, intended to demonstrate tailless aircraft control, maneuverability, and to validate the predicted drag and inlet/nozzle performance. I'd bet that there also was a large-scale or full-scale pole model, either tested at RATSCAT or GD's Fort Worth facility. [not to get into stealth levels, but the 'noise' and pylon construction at RATSCAT or GD's facility must be compatible with the target's expected return].

Photos of the A-12 RCS model at RAMS show that it was mounted to a conventional (i.e. cylindrical, not VLO) pole. That speaks volumes about the A-12.

GDFW built their own outdoor RCS range in the mid-80s, originally to support the A-12 program. It was barely used for the A-12, it was used more extensively for ATF and other programs.

And as far as the GDFW signatures team during the 80s:

BROWN: Yes. An interesting sidelight is that I am working on the A-12 program now, and one of the problems with the A-12 in my view, was related to the fact that the RCS guys on the A-12 were all junior, in terms of the company seniority. They were very smart, you know, PhDs, bright, young guys but they had no swing within the company. And although they were very smart about electromagnetics, they didn't know anything about airplane design.

Q: They were at a disadvantage.

BROWN: So the RCS did not really come across in that program as it should have. Whereas in our case, I was the RCS guy and I also understood airplane design. So I was able to push that through. The thing that I wasn't really strong in was the structures area. You can't be strong in everything.

Interview with Alan Brown (Lockheed), "Living In the Black World"
 
Photos of the A-12 RCS model at RAMS show that it was mounted to a conventional (i.e. cylindrical, not VLO) pole. That speaks volumes about the A-12.

GDFW built their own outdoor RCS range in the mid-80s, originally to support the A-12 program. It was barely used for the A-12, it was used more extensively for ATF and other programs.
Thanks for making my point... I won't cross into signature territory....
RAMS didn't come on line until 1983 or 1984, so that's why I specifically wrote RATSCAT, a relatively antiquated facility.
RAMS is a duplication of Lockheed's Helendale facility, and located near RATSCAT.
 
Let's not forget, they also built the AGM-129 for the USAF around that time.

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A-12 and SNEAKY PETE were GD Ft Worth, while ACM was GD Convair (San Diego). At the time those two parts of GD were mostly independent and did not communicate between them. The one hand was rarely aware of what the other was doing.

As an example, during the 1980s both organizations were doing hypersonic work. Ft Worth spent a LOT of internal money on problems that Convair had already solved on a different program. And then after the Lockheed merger all that Ft Worth work was deliberately ignored / shut down.
 
A-12 and SNEAKY PETE were GD Ft Worth, while ACM was GD Convair (San Diego). At the time those two parts of GD were mostly independent and did not communicate between them. The one hand was rarely aware of what the other was doing.

As an example, during the 1980s both organizations were doing hypersonic work. Ft Worth spent a LOT of internal money on problems that Convair had already solved on a different program. And then after the Lockheed merger all that Ft Worth work was deliberately ignored / shut down.
Interesting. It says a lot about companies that become so big that they lose their coherence and waste money. Perhaps that partly accounts for Boeing's recent mistakes, since the company has become ridiculously big and is probably much harder to manage in a coherent, optimal way. Plus it also reminds us that every single time a big merger took place, the heritage of some entities was lost. Lockheed exhumed the name "Martin" from decades before so that the names General Dynamics and Convair were lost; Vought disappeared when it was acquired by Northrop Grumman.
 
Huh. Until now I'd thought it was bought by Lockheed Martin. ERINT / PAC-3 was a Vought product.
And yet it Vought was acquired by NG, not LM... From Wikipedia:
The first incarnation of Vought was established by Chance M. Vought and Birdseye Lewis in 1917. In 1928, it was acquired by United Aircraft and Transport Corporation, which a few years later became United Aircraft Corporation; this was the first of many reorganizations and buyouts. During the 1920s and 1930s, Vought Aircraft and Chance Vought specialized in carrier-based aircraft for the United States Navy, by far its biggest customer. Chance Vought produced thousands of planes during World War II, including the F4U Corsair.

Vought became independent again in 1954, and was purchased by Ling-Temco-Vought (LTV) in 1961. The company designed and produced a variety of planes and missiles throughout the Cold War. Vought was sold from LTV and owned in various degrees by the Carlyle Group and Northrop Grumman in the early 1990s. It was then fully bought by Carlyle, renamed Vought Aircraft Industries, with headquarters in Dallas, Texas. In June 2010, the Carlyle Group sold Vought to the Triumph Group.
The French Wikipedia is more precise regarding dates:
De 1994 à 2010, elle est filiale du groupe Northrop Grumman, et depuis juin 2010, c'est une filiale (division) de Triumph Group Inc. : la Triumph Aerostructures - Vought Aircraft Division.
But of course, the best and more detailed account comes from the Vought website (which you previously linked over ERINT):
The aerospace bad news continued as sales are predicted to fall $8-billion more in 1994, and employment to drop another 5% throughout the industry. Vought management response to survival were: (1) Joint Primary Aircraft Training system (JPATS) was a “must win.”; (2) needed company capabilities would be retained; (3) the capacity and number of employees would continue to be reduced, and (4) Vought would pursue all market opportunities.
In March, Northrop announced that the acquisition decision on Vought would not be made until 1995. The Pentagon delayed the JPATS trainer schedule, and requests for proposal were expected in May. On March 17, 1994, Vought shipped the last B-2 intermediate section to Palmdale, California.
On March 21st, Northrop and Martin Marietta were locked in a high stakes battle to buy Grumman Aircraft Company. Northrop won the bid for Grumman in April and the new company was named Northrop Grumman.
On April 18, 1994, Vought teamed with Chrysler Technologies of Waco to modernize the P-3 Orion; however, their.proposal was rejected because of cost.
Layoffs continued in 1994 and into 1995. The company offered training to help employees cope with unemployment and prepare themselves for new opportunities. Manufacturing operations introduced a lean and agile manufacturing concept to reduce cost.

On July 12, 1994, Northrop Grumman signed a memorandum of understanding to acquire the Carlisle Group’s 51% interest in Vought for $130 million. Vought Aircraft Company would be retained as a subsidiary of Northrop Grumman. At the time, Vought had 5,200 employees and sales in excess of $800 million. Things appeared to be looking up. On the 16th of July Vought submitted the JPATS proposal and the flight evaluation team arrived at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base later in the month.
August 1994 brought good news to the new division when Vought won a $2-billion contract extension from Boeing. This agreement would provide Vought production of Boeing components into the next century.
In September of 1994 Northrop Grumman completed the acquisition of Vought Aircraft. Gordon Williams was selected to head the Dallas-based commercial division. Mr. Williams would become a corporate vice president and general manager of the Commercial Division as well as president and chief executive officer of the Vought Aircraft subsidiary of Northrop Grumman.
December brought bad news, as the PAMPA 2000 jet trainer (Vought’s entry into the JPATS competition) was removed from competition. The employees canned food drive netted 946,258 cans for the North Texas Food Bank. Two-hundred-twenty-one employees elected retirement in 1994 and the year ended with more positive hopes for the future.
Please note that at no point was Martin was still a separate entity trying to acquire Vought, and also that at no time was Lockheed ever interested in the purchase.
 
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So how did LM end up with PAC-3?


"ERINT began in 1987 and was a follow-on to the successful Flexible Light weight Agile Experiment (FLAGE) program. The missile diameter was increased to 10 inches to extend the range and a small high-energy warhead was added to improve the kill capability against some of the difficult targets. The kinetic kill capability of the Vought missile was proven to be very effective in completely destroying incoming missiles equipped with deadly chemical warheads. The four flight tests had three direct hits and one flight with a very small miss of the target."

ERINT became PAC-3.
 
LTV had aero and missile groups separated. They sold the missile division to Loral.
Thanks. It makes sense and solves the ERINT mystery, since Loral's electronics, defense and systems integration branches were purchased by Lockheed Martin on 8 January 1996.
 

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