French VSTOL concepts

[Jemiba]

Now new, as a new thread, I'll start with three concepts made by Ivan Makhonine,
a born russian, later naturalized frenchmen.
Makhonine is well known for his VG designs with telescopic wings, Mak-10 and Mak-123,
but about this VTOL concepts (from VSTOL.org) I've found nothing. Surely, concepts "9"
and "10" are just schematic drawings ...

 

[Jemiba]

Another concept from Marchetti, contrary to the stoppable rotor
designs (see http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,431.0.html),
this design uses lift props in the wing roots.

 

[dan_inbox]

The prop at the tail looks to me like begging for trouble.


(But this thing has potential as a high-tech lawn-mower!)

 

[elmayerle]

One thing I'd love to see here would be more info on the various French efforts, besides those of Breguet, to utilize the BS.53 (Pegasus) or BS.100 for vstol fighters.

 

[dan_inbox]

There is the Dassault MD-610 Cavalier using a BE-53.

I don't know any other French plane using the Pegasus.

 

[Jemiba]

Here's the Bertin ADAV design , no designation given by Cuny.

For the Nord designs, wait for hte July Le Fana issue ...
Just as a clue (and because it's hopefully not used there)
and old drawing, please don't laugh ! :-\

 

[hesham]

Hi,

a drawing from patent to Marchetti VSTOL aircraft project.

 

[Jemiba]

This was a stopable rotor design, which here still looks really "heli-like". Later drawings showed
a more "fighter like" type :

 

[Michel Van]

here Picture of SNECMA (BTZ) C-450 Coléoptère

SNECMA AP 507E intercepteur de haute altitude (high altitute interceptor)

 

[brunobardini]

French site master 194 here http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37675 for the coléoptère C-450 SNECMA cockpit an history but you must translate.My Name is bruno and i'm living in MARSEILLE. FRANCE

 

[Jemiba]

Welcome Bruno,
will look regularly to your site and try my understanding of the french language.
A quick look through the thread, you've send the link of, showed some things,
that might be interesting for others here, too, for example the Convair model 49 !
Good start !

 

[Stingray]

The C-450 Coléoptère is probably where they got the idea for the Phoenix in the movie Titan AE.

 

[Lauge]

Aircraft recognition 101: If it's strange, it's French. If it's ugly, it's British. If it's strange and ugly, it's Russian.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Denmark

 

[Michel Van]

The C-450 Coléoptère is probably where they got the idea for the Phoenix in the movie Titan AE.

jep that right
The C-450 Coléoptère is one of iconic Aircraft of 1960s
and Template of alot SF VTOL or Spaceship design ;D

 

[hesham]

From Icare 1971.

 

[FighterJock]

From Icare 1971.

Nice find Hesham, that plane certainly tops the list for the weirdest plane ever, by the way do you know the name of the designer?

 

[hesham]

Thank you dear FighterJock,

but there is no name in the article.

 

[hesham]

From Icare 1963,

here is a Project for ADAV VTOL transport concept.

 

[GTX]

This was a stopable rotor design, which here still looks really "heli-like". Later drawings showed
a more "fighter like" type :

Same?

 

[Jemiba]

Yes, the one with tandem, and the other with side-by-side seating.